Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2

[RickyDizzle]

Not a cap expert by any means, but some trade ideas:

If white and garland are gone by 7, can we trade the bulls a picks package to move up and get Sekou? Maybe they want Rozier? Id love to pick up an earlier 2nd and nab Louis King. Draft Sekou or Reddish at 7.

My knowledge of the changes made to sign and trades is iffy but could we trade Kyrie and 22 for Taurean Prince and 27 and generate a giant trade exception? The trade exception to use in place of matching salary would be well worth moving down 5 spots and give the nets the incentive to do the deal.

Here's a weird one. John wall to knicks after they strike out, #9 to knicks from wiz, #22 to knicks from boston, Rozier at 14 million to wizards, #55 to celtics from knicks. Wiz would give knicks a pick swap option next year too. Knicks miss out free agents but get some firsts and gamble that Wall isnt just done. Celtics downgrade a pick from 22 to 55 but get a good size trade exception to help facilitate another move.

Butler and/or Tobias Harris leave, Tatum and Rozier for Simmons. Cs rebalance the roster, simmons, brown, hayward, horford, baynes or other versions with horf at the 5. Sixers start rozier, butler, tatum, fa, embiied. Or resign reddick and play tatum or butler at the 4. (Or butler leaves rozier, redick, tatum, harris, embiid). A shooter works better with embiid (and butler) than simmons.

If Horford were to leave and we operate as an under the cap team, could we say sign and trade Theis for 1 year at 10 mil into someone elses cap space. We retain the space but also get a trade exception, or are trade exceptions only generated for over the cap teams?

Throwing a bunch of **** at the wall here, probably none will still, but the AD and Kyrie stuff is over, lets get creative and upgrade our team.

Replying to my own post with likely another cba-illegal idea, but can you combine sign and traded players in a trade? Rozier and Morris for Tobias Harris and some filler for example. Or just morris and our 2nd for harris if philly thinks theyll lose him anyway.

[Scarletfire81]

Is IT all done as a NBA player? I wouldn't mind giving him a one year deal. He could probably be had for cheap.

[celtxman]

The thing that has been drummed into our heads for years is the treasure trove of assets the Celtics had would be able to go in multiple successful directions. By trading Tatum essentially for AD you would accomplish. Eliminating the logjam at the wing positions with the option of a capped team resigning Morris. Meanwhile you are exponentially improving your big man situation.
There was also the ability to trade Kyrie by the trade deadline with known suitors like the Clippers. So assuming we don't sign Kyrie, are we trying to get Russell for it or in reality gstting absolutely nothing?
So to me the shell game is about the assets and their use. When we put a dollar in quarters under a shell, move. It around and its 50 cents when you pick up the shell, then things were botched. If Morris, Rozier and Irving are gone for nothing, combined with the Sacramento pick fiasco, it will have the feel of a stock that was going great and then nosedived out of control.
Again to me it is about the assets. You can't talk about how brilliant Ainge is to get a likely inconsequential draft pick, and miss this aspect of the whole last season's moves or lack thereof.

[FlatearthZorro]

The thing that has been drummed into our heads for years is the treasure trove of assets the Celtics had would be able to go in multiple successful directions. By trading Tatum essentially for AD you would accomplish. Eliminating the logjam at the wing positions with the option of a capped team resigning Morris. Meanwhile you are exponentially improving your big man situation.
There was also the ability to trade Kyrie by the trade deadline with known suitors like the Clippers. So assuming we don't sign Kyrie, are we trying to get Russell for it or in reality gstting absolutely nothing?
So to me the shell game is about the assets and their use. When we put a dollar in quarters under a shell, move. It around and its 50 cents when you pick up the shell, then things were botched. If Morris, Rozier and Irving are gone for nothing, combined with the Sacramento pick fiasco, it will have the feel of a stock that was going great and then nosedived out of control.
Again to me it is about the assets. You can't talk about how brilliant Ainge is to get a likely inconsequential draft pick, and miss this aspect of the whole last season's moves or lack thereof.

Rozier has been trash, we got Morris as a rental and he will cost a lot. We traded for Kyrie by virtually giving up the #8 pick. I don't see where the assets that we lost are. Anybody would trade 2 years of Irving for Sexton. That trade was kind of a robbery.

[robdog_5]

Any cap/rules experts know.

1) how much TPE could Kyrie generate
2) does that hard cap Nets
3) how much do Nets have to clear to sign both Kyrie and KD

[Darth Celtic]

Trash or not you resign rozier. Let him start a year. Hope he is scary Terry again so you can trade him next year

You also trade Al to a contender for assets or let him walk. He doesn't fit our timeline anymore. We are three years out from competing again. He will be 37.

Let Morris go. He offers nothing but a reminder of rich **** Paul's and will severely hinder jb jt development.

Hope Hayward a year removed from rehab Paul George's so he has positive value prior to expiring so we don't have to use assets to get rid of him

Start timelord. Either he is Capella but younger or not. Let's see.

Draft four rookies this year and let three of them sit on the active roster. Maybe we get lucky and find giannis this draft.

Hope that griz pick is top 3 in 2021.

We will still be 8 the seed this year but lotto would be better

Rozier
Smart
Jb
Jt
timelord
Hayward
Baynes
4 picks.
Some random euro guy we have never heard of.

When Lakers gave up 7 years of picks with limited cap space and 36 year old LeBron it changed our plan completely

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[fallguy]

I worry we're going to get the Grizz pick next year.

Really need it to roll over one more time.

[chrisab123]

Trash or not you resign rozier. Let him start a year. Hope he is scary Terry again so you can trade him next year

You also trade Al to a contender for assets or let him walk. He doesn't fit our timeline anymore. We are three years out from competing again. He will be 37.

Let Morris go. He offers nothing but a reminder of rich **** Paul's and will severely hinder jb jt development.

Hope Hayward a year removed from rehab Paul George's so he has positive value prior to expiring so we don't have to use assets to get rid of him

Start timelord. Either he is Capella but younger or not. Let's see.

Draft four rookies this year and let three of them sit on the active roster. Maybe we get lucky and find giannis this draft.

Hope that griz pick is top 3 in 2021.

We will still be 8 the seed this year but lotto would be better

Rozier
Smart
Jb
Jt
timelord
Hayward
Baynes
4 picks.
Some random euro guy we have never heard of.

When Lakers gave up 7 years of picks with limited cap space and 36 year old LeBron it changed our plan completely

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I see your rationale but that team is disgusting. 35 wins at most. Yes I know they made the ECF and one win away etc in 2017 and 2018 but that is with Big Al. Really tough pill to swallow honestly. Its honestly the most likely scenario so I guess I should embrace Rozier complaining about his touches in November and then becoming the #1 option for the Cs and then Stevens peacing out at the end of the year.

[Celtics_Champs]

Those Celtics “insider” sports hub radio guys both posted those eyes emojis. Do they know anything at all or are they still tools?

[canman1971]

For some reason, I feel Ainge is gonna come out with something out of left field that nobody saw coming in form of a trade. He's not rolling back with this team minus Kyrie and Morris and possibly Rozier. He'll let Rozier set his market, and match any reasonable deal. But guys are getting traded with picks. And I highly doubt Gordon will be one of them.

[nickgammon]

I worry we're going to get the Grizz pick next year.

Really need it to roll over one more time.

That’s why we don’t trade them Hayward for an aging Conley

[canman1971]

Those Celtics “insider” sports hub radio guys both posted those eyes emojis. Do they know anything at all or are they still tools?

Both. I know Jimmy has contacts, but I have no clue what freaking an "eyeballs" emoji even means, so probably leaning towards the tool part on this one.

[chrisab123]

For some reason, I feel Ainge is gonna come out with something out of left field that nobody saw coming in form of a trade. He's not rolling back with this team minus Kyrie and Morris and possibly Rozier. He'll let Rozier set his market, and match any reasonable deal. But guys are getting traded with picks. And I highly doubt Gordon will be one of them.

The problem is Ainge has made Rozier so untouchable since he drafted him I'm genuinely afraid of Ainge matching any offer.

[canman1971]

For some reason, I feel Ainge is gonna come out with something out of left field that nobody saw coming in form of a trade. He's not rolling back with this team minus Kyrie and Morris and possibly Rozier. He'll let Rozier set his market, and match any reasonable deal. But guys are getting traded with picks. And I highly doubt Gordon will be one of them.

The problem is Ainge has made Rozier so untouchable since he drafted him I'm genuinely afraid of Ainge matching any offer.

Good thing is, I don't see Rozier getting an unmatchable offer. Nobody is going over 12-13m/year on him. I'd be shocked.

[Darth Celtic]

Trash or not you resign rozier. Let him start a year. Hope he is scary Terry again so you can trade him next year

You also trade Al to a contender for assets or let him walk. He doesn't fit our timeline anymore. We are three years out from competing again. He will be 37.

Let Morris go. He offers nothing but a reminder of rich **** Paul's and will severely hinder jb jt development.

Hope Hayward a year removed from rehab Paul George's so he has positive value prior to expiring so we don't have to use assets to get rid of him

Start timelord. Either he is Capella but younger or not. Let's see.

Draft four rookies this year and let three of them sit on the active roster. Maybe we get lucky and find giannis this draft.

Hope that griz pick is top 3 in 2021.

We will still be 8 the seed this year but lotto would be better

Rozier
Smart
Jb
Jt
timelord
Hayward
Baynes
4 picks.
Some random euro guy we have never heard of.

When Lakers gave up 7 years of picks with limited cap space and 36 year old LeBron it changed our plan completely

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I see your rationale but that team is disgusting. 35 wins at most. Yes I know they made the ECF and one win away etc in 2017 and 2018 but that is with Big Al. Really tough pill to swallow honestly. Its honestly the most likely scenario so I guess I should embrace Rozier complaining about his touches in November and then becoming the #1 option for the Cs and then Stevens peacing out at the end of the year.

35 wins is better than 41. New lotto odds we could be the Lakers and move up to top 4 next year.

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[Celtics_Champs]

Those Celtics “insider” sports hub radio guys both posted those eyes emojis. Do they know anything at all or are they still tools?

Both. I know Jimmy has contacts, but I have no clue what freaking an "eyeballs" emoji even means, so probably leaning towards the tool part on this one.

I hate it. It’s a childish thing to do. If they have info, spit it out. “My source says they are talking about this player...”

What’s the endgame? “I told you guys! Well I didn’t, I posted eyeballs but that’s what I was referring too.”

[chrisab123]

Trash or not you resign rozier. Let him start a year. Hope he is scary Terry again so you can trade him next year

You also trade Al to a contender for assets or let him walk. He doesn't fit our timeline anymore. We are three years out from competing again. He will be 37.

Let Morris go. He offers nothing but a reminder of rich **** Paul's and will severely hinder jb jt development.

Hope Hayward a year removed from rehab Paul George's so he has positive value prior to expiring so we don't have to use assets to get rid of him

Start timelord. Either he is Capella but younger or not. Let's see.

Draft four rookies this year and let three of them sit on the active roster. Maybe we get lucky and find giannis this draft.

Hope that griz pick is top 3 in 2021.

We will still be 8 the seed this year but lotto would be better

Rozier
Smart
Jb
Jt
timelord
Hayward
Baynes
4 picks.
Some random euro guy we have never heard of.

When Lakers gave up 7 years of picks with limited cap space and 36 year old LeBron it changed our plan completely

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I see your rationale but that team is disgusting. 35 wins at most. Yes I know they made the ECF and one win away etc in 2017 and 2018 but that is with Big Al. Really tough pill to swallow honestly. Its honestly the most likely scenario so I guess I should embrace Rozier complaining about his touches in November and then becoming the #1 option for the Cs and then Stevens peacing out at the end of the year.

35 wins is better than 41. New lotto odds we could be the Lakers and move up to top 4 next year.

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Lol the league never takes care of the Celtics like the Lakers and Knicks. More likely they pick 8-10.

[canman1971]

Those Celtics “insider” sports hub radio guys both posted those eyes emojis. Do they know anything at all or are they still tools?

Both. I know Jimmy has contacts, but I have no clue what freaking an "eyeballs" emoji even means, so probably leaning towards the tool part on this one.

I hate it. It’s a childish thing to do. If they have info, spit it out. “My source says they are talking about this player...”

What’s the endgame? “I told you guys! Well I didn’t, I posted eyeballs but that’s what I was referring too.”

It's pathetic, but it's the world we live in today and I hate it too. Now get off my lawn!!!

[Darth Celtic]

I see your rationale but that team is disgusting. 35 wins at most. Yes I know they made the ECF and one win away etc in 2017 and 2018 but that is with Big Al. Really tough pill to swallow honestly. Its honestly the most likely scenario so I guess I should embrace Rozier complaining about his touches in November and then becoming the #1 option for the Cs and then Stevens peacing out at the end of the year.

35 wins is better than 41. New lotto odds we could be the Lakers and move up to top 4 next year.

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Lol the league never takes care of the Celtics like the Lakers and Knicks. More likely they pick 8-10.

Well if you are crazy enough to think the current lotto can be faked and live in a tin foil house. Sure.

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[chrisab123]

35 wins is better than 41. New lotto odds we could be the Lakers and move up to top 4 next year.

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Lol the league never takes care of the Celtics like the Lakers and Knicks. More likely they pick 8-10.

Well if you are crazy enough to think the current lotto can be faked and live in a tin foil house. Sure.

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The Lakers magically get bumped to 4th and then use that pick to get AD and Pelicans who were losing AD get number 1....

Its just a very strange very odd coincidence...