Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

[ddb]

Doing any sort of major move involving Tatum and or Brown is probably premature. I personally would like to see a lot more of them before determining which or if both are franchise cornerstones. They both have a lot more room for growth and I have no doubts they'll get there.

Tatum is a franchise cornerstone. Jaylen Brown is not. But that's not a knock on Jaylen. Jaylen can be a really good #3 or #4 of a title team. I view Tatum as a 10X's All-Star type. Probably a few 1st or 2nd All-NBA selections too. Jaylen is more of a 3X's or 4X's All-Star. Maybe a couple All-NBA defense selections. But he will never be a Top10 Player in the league. Jayson Tatum will be. and he will be comfortably in the Top10 during his prime.

[MagicBagley18]

Doing any sort of major move involving Tatum and or Brown is probably premature. I personally would like to see a lot more of them before determining which or if both are franchise cornerstones. They both have a lot more room for growth and I have no doubts they'll get there.

Tatum is a franchise cornerstone. Jaylen Brown is not. But that's not a knock on Jaylen. Jaylen can be a really good #3 or #4 of a title team. I view Tatum as a 10X's All-Star type. Probably a few 1st or 2nd All-NBA selections too. Jaylen is more of a 3X's or 4X's All-Star. Maybe a couple All-NBA defense selections. But he will never be a Top10 Player in the league. Jayson Tatum will be. and he will be comfortably in the Top10 during his prime.

Now you’re talking dirty to me...I like it ( minus all nba for Jaylen )

[exculpatory]

Agree w MB & ddb.

[Wes-J]

Doing any sort of major move involving Tatum and or Brown is probably premature. I personally would like to see a lot more of them before determining which or if both are franchise cornerstones. They both have a lot more room for growth and I have no doubts they'll get there.

Tatum is a franchise cornerstone. Jaylen Brown is not. But that's not a knock on Jaylen. Jaylen can be a really good #3 or #4 of a title team. I view Tatum as a 10X's All-Star type. Probably a few 1st or 2nd All-NBA selections too. Jaylen is more of a 3X's or 4X's All-Star. Maybe a couple All-NBA defense selections. But he will never be a Top10 Player in the league. Jayson Tatum will be. and he will be comfortably in the Top10 during his prime.

If you want to cap Brown's potential go ahead, that's your opinion I respect that. I've never said Brown is going to be X or Y, I just think he's got a lot of talent to work with and he's not close to reaching his limit in my opinion.

Not many thought he'd be where he's at this season, on the fringe of all-stardom. That's a huge leap from last year and no reason not to think that with his work ethic and drive he can't take it next level moving forward.

Bottomline I'm not picking between the two all I've said is that I want to see this play out some more, but yeah nobody is untouchable.

But if you truly believe he's a 3-4x all-star selection and maybe a couple defensive selections sprinkled in, at 23yrs old in, then why so quick to trade him? There would have to be a significant upgrade, especially with his value extension.

[ddb]

Doing any sort of major move involving Tatum and or Brown is probably premature. I personally would like to see a lot more of them before determining which or if both are franchise cornerstones. They both have a lot more room for growth and I have no doubts they'll get there.

Tatum is a franchise cornerstone. Jaylen Brown is not. But that's not a knock on Jaylen. Jaylen can be a really good #3 or #4 of a title team. I view Tatum as a 10X's All-Star type. Probably a few 1st or 2nd All-NBA selections too. Jaylen is more of a 3X's or 4X's All-Star. Maybe a couple All-NBA defense selections. But he will never be a Top10 Player in the league. Jayson Tatum will be. and he will be comfortably in the Top10 during his prime.

If you want to cap Brown's potential go ahead, that's your opinion I respect that. I've never said Brown is going to be X or Y, I just think he's got a lot of talent to work with and he's not close to reaching his limit in my opinion.

Not many thought he'd be where he's at this season, on the fringe of all-stardom. That's a huge leap from last year and no reason not to think that with his work ethic and drive he can't take it next level moving forward.

Bottomline I'm not picking between the two all I've said is that I want to see this play out some more, but yeah nobody is untouchable.

But if you truly believe he's a 3-4x all-star selection and maybe a couple defensive selections sprinkled in, at 23yrs old in, then why so quick to trade him? There would have to be a significant upgrade, especially with his value extension.

I don't want to trade JT or JB. I want these guys here long-term.

[LewisnotMiller]

After a quick opinion.
I was listening to Nate Duncan's mock trade deadline. There was a convoluted 4 team trade (which is probably just too hard in reality) but for Boston, the takeaways were;

Out : Theis, Sex Pants, Milwaukee 1st rounder
In : Capella

Yay or Nay?

[Wes-J]

Tatum is a franchise cornerstone. Jaylen Brown is not. But that's not a knock on Jaylen. Jaylen can be a really good #3 or #4 of a title team. I view Tatum as a 10X's All-Star type. Probably a few 1st or 2nd All-NBA selections too. Jaylen is more of a 3X's or 4X's All-Star. Maybe a couple All-NBA defense selections. But he will never be a Top10 Player in the league. Jayson Tatum will be. and he will be comfortably in the Top10 during his prime.

If you want to cap Brown's potential go ahead, that's your opinion I respect that. I've never said Brown is going to be X or Y, I just think he's got a lot of talent to work with and he's not close to reaching his limit in my opinion.

Not many thought he'd be where he's at this season, on the fringe of all-stardom. That's a huge leap from last year and no reason not to think that with his work ethic and drive he can't take it next level moving forward.

Bottomline I'm not picking between the two all I've said is that I want to see this play out some more, but yeah nobody is untouchable.

But if you truly believe he's a 3-4x all-star selection and maybe a couple defensive selections sprinkled in, at 23yrs old in, then why so quick to trade him? There would have to be a significant upgrade, especially with his value extension.

I don't want to trade JT or JB. I want these guys here long-term.

As do I.

This franchise can win a title with Kemba, Tatum, Brown, and tweaking the rest. I'd sure like to find out in a couple years enjoying the growth of JT/JB.

LeBron can't have much left and the other hierarchy sans Giannis getting long in the tooth.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Right now we are seeing year 1 of the Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Hayward core. I'm impressed. I strongly believe that by leaving those 5 guys alone, that next season is a year (if Danny can improve the guys around them) where Boston enters TRUE contention.

I guess I’ll be the dissenting opinion and say I just dont see that core being true title contenders

[SmartWentCrazy]

After a quick opinion.
I was listening to Nate Duncan's mock trade deadline. There was a convoluted 4 team trade (which is probably just too hard in reality) but for Boston, the takeaways were;

Out : Theis, Sex Pants, Milwaukee 1st rounder
In : Capella

Yay or Nay?

Would toss in the Mem pick too, to be honest

[djFan71]

After a quick opinion.
I was listening to Nate Duncan's mock trade deadline. There was a convoluted 4 team trade (which is probably just too hard in reality) but for Boston, the takeaways were;

Out : Theis, Sex Pants, Milwaukee 1st rounder
In : Capella

Yay or Nay?

Would toss in the Mem pick too, to be honest

I'm legitimately curious, what does Capella do that is that much of an upgrade from Theis? Can he defend Embiid / Giannis / Davis / etc better? I was on board the Capella/Turner/etc train for a a while, now I'm not so sure what the real upgrade is, esp when you consider cost. But, I haven't watched him play but once this year, and that game was underwhelming, so small sample size and all.

But, overall, I think I'd rather upgrade with a tall swing player than a true center.

[Wes-J]

Well what's a true title contender? You must of 2 top ten players?? That's the at minimum prerequisite I'm hearing. So does that leave Milwaukee out??? They've got arguably a top 5 guy and their next best is what, a top 25 player???

Don't care about made up player rankings, Milwaukee is right there.

[SmartWentCrazy]

After a quick opinion.
I was listening to Nate Duncan's mock trade deadline. There was a convoluted 4 team trade (which is probably just too hard in reality) but for Boston, the takeaways were;

Out : Theis, Sex Pants, Milwaukee 1st rounder
In : Capella

Yay or Nay?

Would toss in the Mem pick too, to be honest

I'm legitimately curious, what does Capella do that is that much of an upgrade from Theis? Can he defend Embiid / Giannis / Davis / etc better? I was on board the Capella/Turner/etc train for a a while, now I'm not so sure what the real upgrade is, esp when you consider cost. But, I haven't watched him play but once this year, and that game was underwhelming, so small sample size and all.

But, overall, I think I'd rather upgrade with a tall swing player than a true center.

Yes, he’s significantly better vs Embiid. Here are there last three matchups:

1/2/20, PHI @ HOU

Embiid: 20-12-3-2-1 on 7-17 shooting, -4
Capela: 30-14-1-1-1 on 12-16 shooting, +10

10/30/17, PHI @ HOU
Embiid: 22-9-5-2-1 on 9-12 shooting, +17
Capela: 12-15-2-1-1 on 4-6 shooting, +6

10/25/17, HOU @ PHI
Embiid: 21-6-3-1-2 on 8-13 shooting, -1
Capela: 16-20-2-1-4 on 7-9 shooting, +9

He is a massive upgrade on Theis. Massive.

[Feed Your Head]

Well what's a true title contender? You must of 2 top ten players?? That's the at minimum prerequisite I'm hearing. So does that leave Milwaukee out??? They've got arguably a top 5 guy and their next best is what, a top 25 player???

Don't care about made up player rankings, Milwaukee is right there.

I think unless you have a legitimate top 3-5 superstar, you probably need two top 10-15 guys, and a really good supporting cast.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Well what's a true title contender? You must of 2 top ten players?? That's the at minimum prerequisite I'm hearing. So does that leave Milwaukee out??? They've got arguably a top 5 guy and their next best is what, a top 25 player???

Don't care about made up player rankings, Milwaukee is right there.

Need a top 6 or so guy and a top 15 or so guy.

I’m willing to gamble that Tatum can get to the top tier. I dont think Brown will get to an All-NBA level.

[Wes-J]

Well what's a true title contender? You must of 2 top ten players?? That's the at minimum prerequisite I'm hearing. So does that leave Milwaukee out??? They've got arguably a top 5 guy and their next best is what, a top 25 player???

Don't care about made up player rankings, Milwaukee is right there.

I think unless you have a legitimate top 3-5 superstar, you probably need two top 10-15 guys, and a really good supporting cast.

You mentioned Tatum as being right there at top 15 now.. Is Kemba not right there??

[BostonCouchGM]

Right now we are seeing year 1 of the Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Hayward core. I'm impressed. I strongly believe that by leaving those 5 guys alone, that next season is a year (if Danny can improve the guys around them) where Boston enters TRUE contention.

I guess I’ll be the dissenting opinion and say I just dont see that core being true title contenders

agreed, no chance at title contention with that much money going to very flawed players as your core. Kemba can't defend and isn't a playmaker. Smart can't shoot. Hayward is no longer explosive which has turned him from a guy lucky to make the top 15 to being lucky to make the top 50. Tatum is the one guy on the team who, once developed, should be a much better than average player on both ends of the floor. And you can't pay Jaylen #2 money when he's your 4th or 5th best player. I'm afraid Danny will waste Tatum's career because he can't draft to save his life and find stars to surround him with so he's forced to sign very expensive and flawed FA for more than they're worth.

[Feed Your Head]

Well what's a true title contender? You must of 2 top ten players?? That's the at minimum prerequisite I'm hearing. So does that leave Milwaukee out??? They've got arguably a top 5 guy and their next best is what, a top 25 player???

Don't care about made up player rankings, Milwaukee is right there.

I think unless you have a legitimate top 3-5 superstar, you probably need two top 10-15 guys, and a really good supporting cast.

You mentioned Tatum as being right there at top 15 now.. Is Kemba not right there??

Offensively? Yes. But overall i consider him more of a top 20-25 guy. Tatum i have right at 15, so he is on the fringes and I have Kemba down a bit. Plus i don't think the supporting cast is nearly good enough outside of the top 5 players.

Now obviously player ranking is subjective, amd i may have Kemba lower than some, while having Tatum too high. And there are always exceptions, but i think this team is a tier below true contender status.

[5InOfLouisville]

I like capela well enough, but i dont think hes an ideal fit for this team. And if he’s a square peg AND he doesnt take us to the next level, whats the point of taking that contract? That said, i concede that its at least a theoretical upgrade over what we have, although our center crew really has been decent. Better than i thought anyway

But if we are talking about guys of that ilk, im obliged to voice my unreasonable interest in miles turner.

[reload141]

KAT won’t be available for at least another 2-3 seasons, unfortunately.

If our Sac and Memphis picks panned out better I think we could definitely make a top 3 offer for him.... but I see us getting trumped.

[Wes-J]

I think unless you have a legitimate top 3-5 superstar, you probably need two top 10-15 guys, and a really good supporting cast.

You mentioned Tatum as being right there at top 15 now.. Is Kemba not right there??

Offensively? Yes. But overall i consider him more of a top 20-25 guy. Tatum i have right at 15, so he is on the fringes and I have Kemba down a bit. Plus i don't think the supporting cast is nearly good enough outside of the top 5 players.

Now obviously player ranking is subjective, amd i may have Kemba lower than some, while having Tatum too high. And there are always exceptions, but i think this team is a tier below true contender status.

We got Kemba (4x all-star), Hayward (1x), Tatum (should be first of many), and Brown (real close) making up the core.

Got Smart, Theis, and Kanter as important glue guys. I personally think we're ok at center, I think that center talk and Embiid is overstated. Still holding out for RWIII.

Trade some younger pieces and picks for a couple of reasonably priced vets and then we have a contender. It won't put us over the top but all we can ask is to get that shot to shake things up. We just need a little more help.

IF we can't make some noise with that then that's on coaching the East ain't all that after Milwaukee.