Gordon Hayward Appreciation Thread

celticfan42487 · Post #61 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:06 pm

I think we might need to start having standards for who gets one of these threads when they leave. I'm not sure Hayward makes that list.

Baynes and Rozier deserved it more than Hayward. And he chose to leave the franchise which matters, it wasn't a trade or us clearing cap space.

It was us getting ****.

Kalela · Post #62 » by **Kalela** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:15 pm

I still can't believe Kupchak, or whatever his name is, gave him $120 million dollars. Hayward played as well he could when he was available but boy did everything go wrong for him in Boston. The Jazz put some sort of a voodoo spell on him or something because all the **** that happened to him were all abnormal. The way he broke his hand was strange.

threrf23 · Post #63 » by **threrf23** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:37 pm

You know, go back three plus years and I was really surprised we were able to land Hayward. I had voiced the opinion multiple times that we shouldn't pursue him b/c it would be a waste; from my vantage point, he had established roots in Utah, Jazz designed an offensive around him and surrounded him with complementary young players, and were reaching a point where I felt they could start making some waves. It didn't make sense to me that he would give up on the Jazz and his teammates at that point in his career.

When we signed him I had felt like I needed to eat some crow - when you can sign a player of his caliber you do it unless you have a good chance at signing a top 5-10 player your caproom instead. But maybe I was on to something all along. In a sense, this was like having an affair with a married person, marrying them, and then being surprised when they cheat on you. Maybe he is indecisive and a bit too restless more than he is disloyal (tyhis reflects in his clutch shooting stats), but same situation nonetheless.

Push comes to shove though, he filled his contractual commitment, many fans wanted him traded, Danny may have been shopping him (and isn't known to feel undying loyalty to his players). Can't blame him for taking this money. Not going to assume I know what happened behind the scenes. He wouldn't be the first FA who left with a bitter taste for Danny.

Johnny Tomala · Post #64 » by **Johnny Tomala** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:13 pm

I never wanted him, I wanted us to trade for Butler instead of singing Hayward. He was overrated before he came here, he was never a max player. I won't miss him.

jmr07019 · Post #65 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:39 pm

What exactly are we appreciating? 52 regular season games before you broke your hand because someone set a pick? What a god awful return on 94 million

nic4747 · Post #66 » by **nic4747** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:50 pm

In hindsight, one of the worst signings for us in a while. For me the issue wasn’t even his injury, it was how incredibility mentally soft he was. Like the anti-Jimmy Butler. I’m happy I don’t have to see his sad puppy dog eyes on the court anymore.

soxfan2003 · Post #67 » by **soxfan2003** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:35 pm

Kalela wrote:I still can't believe Kupchak, or whatever his name is, gave him $120 million dollars. Hayward played as well he could when he was available but boy did everything go wrong for him in Boston. The Jazz put some sort of a voodoo spell on him or something because all the **** that happened to him were all abnormal. The way he broke his hand was strange.

Traditionally it would be a poor move but supposedly Celtics/Indiana offering between 102 to 110 million over 4 years. I am skeptical that a 110 million dollar offer if it existed would be all guaranteed but I obviously do not know.

I don't think Kemba Walker is worth 4/140 but in a league where a small guard with 3 knee surgeries that relies upon athleticism/quickness like Walker gets 4/140, can can by made for Hayward at 4/120 -- if one looks at Hayward's entire history and not just his stay in Boston. I wouldn't have gone beyond 3/80 at his current age but I wouldn't have offered even 4/100 to Kemba given his 3 knee surgeries/ability/age/position.

It is impossible to know that the Hornets are thinking. Hayward I believe is the biggest FA they have ever signed. They may figure that there is just as good of a chance he becomes tradeable for 1-2 first rounders to a contender than he becomes untradeable.

I wouldn't have made the Hayward offer in Jordan's shoes but I have to admit, the odds of Charlotte signing a max FA like Giannis over the next 1-2 years was 0%. So, there could be a method to the Hornet's madness. Hayward is a pretty good wing player to teach LaMelo Ball how to play unselfishly as well. That may have factored in with Rozier already on their team.

I wish the Hornets well. I got no dislike for that franchise.

jmr07019 · Post #68 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:50 pm

If the goal is just to make the playoffs with no real shot at a title then Hayward for 120 million makes a lot of sense. You would think a guy as competitive as Hordan would have his sights set higher though. I do wonder if Jordan wanted to sign Hayward out of spite after we took Kemba from him.

yazfan · Post #69 » by **yazfan** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:25 pm

Strange tweet last night from AK.

"Gordon Hayward hasn't officially joined the #Hornets yet.
A looming sign-and-trade with the #Celtics hasn't been reported either.

Just thought you'd want to know."

Wouldn't that be just a 2020 thing.....

jirrit · Post #70 » by **jirrit** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:10 pm

Well, good luck in Charlotte I guess. Thanks for giving us a few solid regular season games and a few playoffs games over 3 years and i dont know how many millions. Cheers for still signing somewhere for the money lol. Good riddance.

Red2 · Post #71 » by **Red2** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:01 pm

I felt that had he stayed he was going to have a really good year . There were lots of reasons - money,fresh start after all the injuries , being the center of Charlotte’s offense and the face of their franchise but I can’t help but feels this came down to his wife not being happy. You know the saying - happy wife , happy life .

sam_I_am · Post #72 » by **sam_I_am** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:20 pm

Johnny Tomala wrote:I never wanted him, I wanted us to trade for Butler instead of singing Hayward. He was overrated before he came here, he was never a max player. I won't miss him.

I think he looked the same in preseason before ankle injury as he did last year. He just wasn’t the star he was hyped to be, but still a very good all around player.

BostonCouchGM · Post #73 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:02 pm

so much salt. Guy is perfect for Brad's system. It's a shame he got injured and a shame he was relegated to playing 4th fiddle upon his return because Brad can't coach tough personalities that were triggered by Hayward's presence. I don't blame him one iota for leaving. I hope he's able to get healthy and has a great rest of his career. That Hornet's team improved dramatically this offseason despite the Ainge apologists lambasting them for the Rozier and Hayward contracts.

Disinformation · Post #74 » by **Disinformation** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:14 pm

Didn't even realize this thread was here. What are we appreciating about him?

ConstableGeneva · Post #75 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:05 pm

Read on Twitter

Fun comments section. They're so thrilled to have him.

GregB · Post #76 » by **GregB** » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:40 pm

It didn’t work out. Glad we got the TPE. He can enjoy being the overpaid man on a bad team.

yazfan · Post #77 » by **yazfan** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:04 am

jmr07019 wrote:If the goal is just to make the playoffs with no real shot at a title then Hayward for 120 million makes a lot of sense. You would think a guy as competitive as Hordan would have his sights set higher though. I do wonder if Jordan wanted to sign Hayward out of spite after we took Kemba from him.

Sight higher - he did with Celtics. Got Hurt. When healthy (1.5 years later), they boned him and made him 4th option.

Maybe he actually prefers to be a #1 option again....

Name me 1 other All Star who after injury became 4th option.

Brad is a gym coach.

I realize Tatum and Brown developed but still a d&ck move

Post #78 » by **Parliament10** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:09 am

yazfan wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:If the goal is just to make the playoffs with no real shot at a title then Hayward for 120 million makes a lot of sense. You would think a guy as competitive as Hordan would have his sights set higher though. I do wonder if Jordan wanted to sign Hayward out of spite after we took Kemba from him.

Sight higher - he did with Celtics. Got Hurt. When healthy (1.5 years later), they boned him and made him 4th option.

Maybe he actually prefers to be a #1 option again....

Name me 1 other All Star who after injury became 4th option.

Brad is a gym coach.

I realize Tatum and Brown developed but still a d&ck move

It's just what happens. Young players develop over time.
Celtics have put enough money into Hayward.

Despite everything, he's a Good Player.
Good Luck with him.

ajones9219 · Post #79 » by **ajones9219** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:14 am

yazfan wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:If the goal is just to make the playoffs with no real shot at a title then Hayward for 120 million makes a lot of sense. You would think a guy as competitive as Hordan would have his sights set higher though. I do wonder if Jordan wanted to sign Hayward out of spite after we took Kemba from him.

Sight higher - he did with Celtics. Got Hurt. When healthy (1.5 years later), they boned him and made him 4th option.

Maybe he actually prefers to be a #1 option again....

Name me 1 other All Star who after injury became 4th option.

Brad is a gym coach.

I realize Tatum and Brown developed but still a d&ck move

This take tells me you haven't watched Boston much with Hayward. They regularly tried to force feed him shots and he just wasn't into it consistently. He got pushed to the fourth option based on skill alone. He is still a great player and could be a first option on a lot of teams but its not like Boston intentionally pushed him out.

KGboss · Post #80 » by **KGboss** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:41 am

I'm sorry you never lived up to your potential here and I doubt you will in charlotte.

That one all star season in utah was the highlight of your career.

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