Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[SuperDeluxe]

Neither does being vaccinated lol. I'm not anti vax by the way. I'm anti forcing people to put a drug in their body their not comfortable with or don't want to put in their body for whatever reason. You can be mad and kick and scream and call people selfish all you want to.

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dicension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.

No one here is obligated to educate you, that's your own responsibility. And frankly, the fact that you're asking that question shows that you have no idea how a pandemic works (which is sad after 18 months of enduring one). If the vaccine wasn't here we'd be talking about many, exponentially many more deaths worldwide at this point. Because there's less death and less sickness this year even with a more contagious variant out there, even a monkey would be able to infer the positive effect of the vaccine. If the effect hasn't been better, we can thank the ignoramuses (especially those who barf their ignorance all over).

[exculpatory]

Neither does being vaccinated lol. I'm not anti vax by the way. I'm anti forcing people to put a drug in their body their not comfortable with or don't want to put in their body for whatever reason. You can be mad and kick and scream and call people selfish all you want to.

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dicension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.

This is NOT about pushing big Parma. I could give a flying mother **** about pharmaceutical profits.

It is about excellence in medicine (to which I have devoted my **** life) & the public health.

Listen carefully:
Until Delta, the vaccines worked phenomenally well - beyond belief well - VS BOTH mild cases AND severe disease. And the vaccinated were not transmitting either.
The vaccines still protect damn well vs the much much more transmissible Delta when it comes to severe disease - although not quite as well as pre-Delta. Thousands & thousands & thousands of Delta deaths are STILL being prevented by the vaccines as of right **** now. Get it?
There has been a greater drop off vs Delta in protection VS mild disease.
And the vaccinated are ‘somewhat more likely’ to transmit Delta.
The Delta variant emerged & is spreading like wild fire predominantly because of transmission by the tens of millions of unvaccinated morons in this country.
That is WHY everyone should be **** vaccinated right **** now.

And the more it spreads amongst the unvaccinated millions, the more likely a more resistant & transmissible variant than Delta will emerge.
That is ALSO WHY everyone should be **** vaccinated right **** now.

And the booster #3 has already been shown by the Israelis to dramatically improve the abovedescribed decrease in protection VS Delta in the previously vaccinated - especially in people >60.

The ignorance of several posters on this board is beyond mind blowing!

[exculpatory]

That's some weak ass **** you're trying to troll with. It suggests to me that you are one of the following -

A- 5 years old
B- Dropped on your head when you were a baby
C- A 5 year old that was dropped on ITS head when it was a baby
D- So redundantly stupid that I'm using "All of the above" as an option
E- Cat litter

Jesus Christ, no unnecessary apostrophes!

Yes, yes, how will I ever live down a misused apostrophe?

Thomas,
Have you noticed how frequently many of our fellow posters use an ‘s to pluralize a simple noun?
WTF has happened to our grade schools?
Rob

[jordb2k7]

I don't normally like talking about this but just wanted to share something I came across that apparently facebook censored, *not surprised*. A father named, "Ernest Ramirez" had his 16 year old son die recently after taking the covid vaccine. He died just a few days later after taking it. The father was heartbroken over it.

I'm sharing this because I know none of you are gonna hear about it from the mainstream media since it goes against their agenda. Nobody is talking about this. Look up the name of the father if you wanna read about it yourself.

You won't hear about it because the vaccine wasn't the cause of his death. He had an enlarged heart, which is sadly why he died.

Nothing to do with the vaccine. The vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone should take it. Stop spreading misinformation please.

it's safe because you're a tenured Dr and you know for sure? Or are you just going with what the CDC and President are saying? Follow the money my friend. Follow the money. That's what it's always about. They don't give 2 sh&ts about your health. I'm sorry that you don't realize that. Vaccinations are a choice. If it's something you want to do, do it. If it's not, don't. Period.

Peak active cases in 2020- 9,034,460. vaccinated 0%
Peak active cases in 2021- 9,243,682. vaccinated "71%"

also from the CDC. Among 378,048 death certs from 2020 listing Covid-19, 5.5% listed Covid-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certs with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occuring diagnosis of plausible chain-of-event condition in 2020.

So your point works both ways. So essentially that less then 1% mortality rate from covid-19 is even far less than that.....

What a nation that actually cared about your health would do is test you for antibodies. But they won't....they want cases, and cases, and cases...they want forced vaccination cards, mandates, etc. they want to know everything about your health.

America once stormed the beaches of Normandy.. Now we have a nation paranoid about a less than 1% chance of death from a virus that may or may not be MAN MADE. Talk about forking over your freedoms. It's pathetic. And if you don't realize what is really going on than I'm sorry but you are pathetic to.

We have stadiums of 75k maskless, probably half unvaccinated people....that's fine. but they want to mask our children at school. The list goes on and on. nothing about covid has ever been consistent or scientific. ****, most of it makes zero sense at all.

Do you understand math? While this is disingenuously representing data and you're well aware of that. It also isn't making the point you think it's making.

[ddb]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

I already gave you an Unofficial Warning.
I'm making this one, an Official Warning.

Stay on the Subject. Don't attack other Posters.

~ Parl

That's all these guys know how to do.... GET A VACCINE!! YOU IDIOT. YOU PUNK. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SEE ON TV AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE A LOSER ****.

grow up

[Parliament10]

Bunch of soft arse brainwashed Karens just shut up and do as your told lol

I already gave you an Unofficial Warning.
I'm making this one, an Official Warning.

Stay on the Subject. Don't attack other Posters.

~ Parl

That's all these guys know how to do.... GET A VACCINE!! YOU IDIOT. YOU PUNK. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SEE ON TV AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE A LOSER ****.

grow up

What are you talking about?

[ddb]

I already gave you an Unofficial Warning.
I'm making this one, an Official Warning.

Stay on the Subject. Don't attack other Posters.

~ Parl

That's all these guys know how to do.... GET A VACCINE!! YOU IDIOT. YOU PUNK. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SEE ON TV AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE A LOSER ****.

grow up

What are you talking about?

attacking the posters. very clearly that's what I'm talking about

[ballup]

"I won't live in fear"

*Is paranoid about a government knowing everything about them, even though that's already the case for decades*

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[Parliament10]

That's all these guys know how to do.... GET A VACCINE!! YOU IDIOT. YOU PUNK. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SEE ON TV AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE A LOSER ****.

grow up

What are you talking about?

attacking the posters. very clearly that's what I'm talking about

Make your comments, as you see fit.
But, don't interfere with Modding.

~ Parl

[cl2117]

That's all these guys know how to do.... GET A VACCINE!! YOU IDIOT. YOU PUNK. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SEE ON TV AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE A LOSER ****.

grow up

What are you talking about?

attacking the posters. very clearly that's what I'm talking about

I sincerely asked you to speak to a medical professional and you called me "pathetic" for believing the science.

Let's not cast stones from glass houses.

And I'm sorry, but if you are going to continue to speak out of your ass about things you clearly are uninformed about be prepared for some volatile responses. People like you are why the pandemic persists and why people are needlessly dying.

Please speak to your local medical professional as they will be able to answer your questions and allay your concerns. You have nothing to lose.

[exculpatory]

That's all these guys know how to do.... GET A VACCINE!! YOU IDIOT. YOU PUNK. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SEE ON TV AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE A LOSER ****.

Grow up

What are you talking about?

Attacking the posters. very clearly that's what I'm talking about

What I post is not based on TV. LOL.
I am a very experienced & knowledgeable physician who reads the original peer reviewed literature daily.
Then I periodically share that information in an understandable way with the many posters here who are interested in the true science of the pandemic. And I very often provide links to the publications.

I have 2 final pieces of advice for you:
1. Actually carefully read what I am writing & click on & try to read the links - before running your mouth with misinformation.
2. If you do not believe I know from whence I speak & somehow doubt my credentials, find yourself an extremely well trained, experienced, well read primary care internist, & show him or her what I have written & the publications I have cited FACE TO FACE, & see what he or she says. I suggest you start with my response directed specifically at you at 8:22 PM last night, my response just above to some nonsense written by Parasite & the outstanding & very important safety analysis publication I cited yesterday from the prestigious JAMA.

Otherwise, I am no longer responding to you.
Your lack of medical insight is beyond prodigious & you do not deserve another moment of my time.

Good luck. You will need it.

[cl2117]

Neither does being vaccinated lol. I'm not anti vax by the way. I'm anti forcing people to put a drug in their body their not comfortable with or don't want to put in their body for whatever reason. You can be mad and kick and scream and call people selfish all you want to.

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dicension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.

Have you considered speaking to a medical professional to have your questions on vaccines explained to you? There are answers to all of your questions.

The vaccines are not 100% effective. They provide significant protection from the virus, but it is still possible to catch and transmit it. So those who are vaccinated can still be at risk (especially if they have co-morbidities). Getting people vaccinated won't completley eliminate the risk, but it seriously reduces it and exponentially so as more of the population does.

Additionally, the more the virus spreads the more likely it mutates. These mutations, like the Delta variant, can make the virus more contagious/dangerous. Therefore reducing the spread makes it less likely it mutates and more likely that our vaccines will remain largely effective against the virus.

The vaccine doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worthwhile for every American to get it. Please speak to your local physician and have your questions answered.

[Curmudgeon]

Darwin lives.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/qanon-guru-dies-from-covid-19-as-her-followers-harass-hospital-staff/ar-AAOpbRz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[ddb]

What are you talking about?

attacking the posters. very clearly that's what I'm talking about

I sincerely asked you to speak to a medical professional and you called me "pathetic" for believing the science.

Let's not cast stones from glass houses.

And I'm sorry, but if you are going to continue to speak out of your ass about things you clearly are uninformed about be prepared for some volatile responses. People like you are why the pandemic persists and why people are needlessly dying.

Please speak to your local medical professional as they will be able to answer your questions and allay your concerns. You have nothing to lose.

I
Am
Married
to
One

[SuperDeluxe]

Darwin lives.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/qanon-guru-dies-from-covid-19-as-her-followers-harass-hospital-staff/ar-AAOpbRz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

I can't help but envy the freedom she enjoyed until the very end. Freedom to not wear a mask, freedom to not social distance, freedom to get her information from the sources she trusted, etc. Now she's enjoying even more freedom because there's no covid in heaven nor in hell. (And even if there was, who cares because covid is just a cold.)

[exculpatory]

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dicension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.

Have you considered speaking to a medical professional to have your questions on vaccines explained to you? There are answers to all of your questions.

The vaccines are not 100% effective. They provide significant protection from the virus, but it is still possible to catch and transmit it. So those who are vaccinated can still be at risk (especially if they have co-morbidities). Getting people vaccinated won't completley eliminate the risk, but it seriously reduces it and exponentially so as more of the population does.

Additionally, the more the virus spreads the more likely it mutates. These mutations, like the Delta variant, can make the virus more contagious/dangerous. Therefore reducing the spread makes it less likely it mutates and more likely that our vaccines will remain largely effective against the virus.

The vaccine doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worthwhile for every American to get it. Please speak to your local physician and have your questions answered.

You are doing a very nice job paraphrasing in lay terms what I have posted over & over again in more medically sophisticated language (w links to the original publications)

But methinks the ignorance reflected by some of these guys is unremediable.
They simply don’t want to understand better and/or they are too **** stupid to understand what we are explaining. Tragic.

[cl2117]

attacking the posters. very clearly that's what I'm talking about

I sincerely asked you to speak to a medical professional and you called me "pathetic" for believing the science.

Let's not cast stones from glass houses.

And I'm sorry, but if you are going to continue to speak out of your ass about things you clearly are uninformed about be prepared for some volatile responses. People like you are why the pandemic persists and why people are needlessly dying.

Please speak to your local medical professional as they will be able to answer your questions and allay your concerns. You have nothing to lose.

I
Am
Married
to
One

And they are a medical doctor who thinks that believes the CDC is lying to us?

I'm sorry I just can't believe that they are a qualified medical professional if so. Mainly because you have said multiple things that show that you don't understand how vaccines work (e.g why does it matter that you get vaccinated to protects others, even vaccinated others). Either they are giving you incorrect answers or you are misunderstanding what they are saying. Either way you are clearly misinformed.

Please speak to the medical professional at your local Dr's office.

[ddb]

There's a limit to "Rights".
People Do Not have the "Right" to scream, "Fire!!!" in a crowded theatre, when there is no real fire.

People don't have the "Right" to knowingly spread HIV, or Polio, or an infinite number of other diseases.
If your infection can kill other people, then I don't think that you have the "Right" to be non-vaccinated.

There is obviously some level here of reasonable dicension.
But IMO, Anti-vaxxers only valid argument, is that the Vaccines haven't been studied for umpteen years.

You just don't want to take it?
That's Not a Valid argument.

People are genuinely dying from this. It's a Pandemic. That's common knowledge.

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.

Have you considered speaking to a medical professional to have your questions on vaccines explained to you? There are answers to all of your questions.

The vaccines are not 100% effective. They provide significant protection from the virus, but it is still possible to catch and transmit it. So those who are vaccinated can still be at risk (especially if they have co-morbidities). Getting people vaccinated won't completley eliminate the risk, but it seriously reduces it and exponentially so as more of the population does.

Additionally, the more the virus spreads the more likely it mutates. These mutations, like the Delta variant, can make the virus more contagious/dangerous. Therefore reducing the spread makes it less likely it mutates and more likely that our vaccines will remain largely effective against the virus.

The vaccine doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worthwhile for every American to get it. Please speak to your local physician and have your questions answered.

Follow
The
Money

What do you expect them to say? That it's not safe? That it's essentially an experimental vaccine? I mean they literally had to change the definition of what a vaccine is leading up to this.
The CDC downgraded the DEFINITION of 'vaccine' from a product that produces immunity to a preparation for protection.

Old definition:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce IMMUNITY to a specific disease

New Definition:
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce PROTECTION from a specific disease.



Let's just brush that change right under the rug. So by the current definition, vitamins, zinc, etc are a vaccine?

FOLLOW THE MONEY in all directions. You will start to change the way you think about all of this.

[ddb]

I sincerely asked you to speak to a medical professional and you called me "pathetic" for believing the science.

Let's not cast stones from glass houses.

And I'm sorry, but if you are going to continue to speak out of your ass about things you clearly are uninformed about be prepared for some volatile responses. People like you are why the pandemic persists and why people are needlessly dying.

Please speak to your local medical professional as they will be able to answer your questions and allay your concerns. You have nothing to lose.

I
Am
Married
to
One

And they are a medical doctor who thinks that believes the CDC is lying to us?

I'm sorry I just can't believe that they are a qualified medical professional if so. Mainly because you have said multiple things that show that you don't understand how vaccines work (e.g why does it matter that you get vaccinated to protects others, even vaccinated others). Either they are giving you incorrect answers or you are misunderstanding what they are saying. Either way you are clearly misinformed.

Please speak to the medical professional at your local Dr's office.

Yes. CDC is absolutely in cahoots with all of this. 100%.

[cl2117]

If the vaccine works so well why do the vaccinated care at all if others choose not to get it? Don’t give me any stupid answers about protecting others. You can still transmit covid even if you are vaccinated. And if the answer is because the vaccine doesn’t work so well then why are we trying to mandate it?

Quit being such authoritarian big Pharma pushers.

Have you considered speaking to a medical professional to have your questions on vaccines explained to you? There are answers to all of your questions.

The vaccines are not 100% effective. They provide significant protection from the virus, but it is still possible to catch and transmit it. So those who are vaccinated can still be at risk (especially if they have co-morbidities). Getting people vaccinated won't completley eliminate the risk, but it seriously reduces it and exponentially so as more of the population does.

Additionally, the more the virus spreads the more likely it mutates. These mutations, like the Delta variant, can make the virus more contagious/dangerous. Therefore reducing the spread makes it less likely it mutates and more likely that our vaccines will remain largely effective against the virus.

The vaccine doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worthwhile for every American to get it. Please speak to your local physician and have your questions answered.

Follow
The
Money

What do you expect them to say? That it's not safe? That it's essentially an experimental vaccine? I mean they literally had to change the definition of what a vaccine is leading up to this.
The CDC downgraded the DEFINITION of 'vaccine' from a product that produces immunity to a preparation for protection.

Old definition:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce IMMUNITY to a specific disease

New Definition:
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce PROTECTION from a specific disease.



Let's just brush that change right under the rug. So by the current definition, vitamins, zinc, etc are a vaccine?

FOLLOW THE MONEY in all directions. You will start to change the way you think about all of this.

Please get help. Speak to a qualified medical professional.

You are chasing your tail here. It is not a worldwide conspiracy. This is not about "big pharma". This is about saving lives. Please do your part and stop spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation.