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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#61 » by 165bows » Wed Oct 5, 2022 2:58 pm

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165bows wrote:Wemby is a super streaky shooter. He will probably be able to be a decent shooter but he's somewhere around 30% from 3 for his career, just about average from the FT line, his overall scoring efficiency is very mediocre. I just feel like people want to project him as elite there and don't think it's fair to put some Durant level shooting expectations on him because he's tall and skinny too.

He does seem to show up shooting well in big games.

Weird to be using "career" averages for an 18 yr old kid as the basis for your argument.

I mean, just look at how much his numbers (shooting splits, counting stats, etc.) have jumped from last season (1st ever season playing pro ball vs grown men at age 17) to this year. You look at his body, he looks like a completely different person than he was a year ago.

Victor is much more polished and skilled than he was last year.

You continuously nitpick people's language - let's put it this way. What is your projected offensive level for him?
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#62 » by Hal14 » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:14 pm

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165bows wrote:Wemby is a super streaky shooter. He will probably be able to be a decent shooter but he's somewhere around 30% from 3 for his career, just about average from the FT line, his overall scoring efficiency is very mediocre. I just feel like people want to project him as elite there and don't think it's fair to put some Durant level shooting expectations on him because he's tall and skinny too.

He does seem to show up shooting well in big games.

Weird to be using "career" averages for an 18 yr old kid as the basis for your argument.

I mean, just look at how much his numbers (shooting splits, counting stats, etc.) have jumped from last season (1st ever season playing pro ball vs grown men at age 17) to this year. You look at his body, he looks like a completely different person than he was a year ago.

Victor is much more polished and skilled than he was last year.

You continuously nitpick people's language - let's put it this way. What is your projected offensive level for him?

IDK, very hard to say at such a young age.

I think he can be a 20 PPG scorer on good efficiency, think he can be at least a league average (35%) shooter from 3. Insane lob threat. Offensive hub who can operate hit cutters out of the high post. Shoot over smaller defenders (all of them will be smaller), take smaller defenders inside.. while playing at an all-NBA level on defense.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#63 » by 31to6 » Wed Oct 5, 2022 6:27 pm

"Wembanyama" is gonna be a tight fit on the back of his skinny jersey!
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Post#64 » by 31to6 » Wed Oct 5, 2022 6:28 pm

Abdul-Jabbar = 10
Olowokandi = 10
Wembanyama = 10
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Post#65 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Oct 5, 2022 8:51 pm

31to6 wrote:Abdul-Jabbar = 10
Olowokandi = 10
Wembanyama = 10
whatchu got, board?

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Post#66 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Oct 5, 2022 8:55 pm

Read on Twitter

How many of these games will be on our schedule? Just so we'll know which games don't count.
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Post#67 » by playa-hater » Wed Oct 5, 2022 10:19 pm

31to6 wrote:Abdul-Jabbar = 10
Olowokandi = 10
Wembanyama = 10
whatchu got, board?


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Post#68 » by playa-hater » Wed Oct 5, 2022 11:33 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

How many of these games will be on our schedule? Just so we'll know which games don't count.


Vic may have a Galactic level ceiling, but man I think he will take a lot longer than many are anticipating. whatever talent is talent and it should be fun watching this play out.
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Post#69 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Oct 6, 2022 10:18 pm



He's like Vitor Faverani and Vincent Poirier rolled into one. What a specimen!
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Post#70 » by captain green » Thu Oct 6, 2022 11:04 pm

Meh we shall see
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Post#71 » by Feed Your Head » Thu Oct 6, 2022 11:16 pm

Imagine seeing him play and saying meh lol.
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Post#72 » by Feed Your Head » Thu Oct 6, 2022 11:54 pm

This is what a lot of nba people are saying in private, I think you’ll start seeing them put their names to it.

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Post#73 » by Hal14 » Fri Oct 7, 2022 12:49 am

The Comedian wrote:This is what a lot of nba people are saying in private, I think you’ll start seeing them put their names to it.

Read on Twitter
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The 2 games he just played, today and 2 days ago. That's gotta be up there among the best back to back games of any draft prospect ever - let alone a prospect who is only 18. Insane. Especially considering (as we know) that typically bigs take longer to develop. This dude is doing this at age 18 and he's 7'5".

It's nuts. There's gonna be some serious tanking going on. It'll be interesting though - as many have pointed out on twitter, even if you have the worst record in the league, you still only get a 14% chance of winning the lottery.
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Post#74 » by sam_I_am » Fri Oct 7, 2022 2:06 am

Hal14 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:This is what a lot of nba people are saying in private, I think you’ll start seeing them put their names to it.

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=MDas2CtQoCi8-MoVJ-jOGQ

The 2 games he just played, today and 2 days ago. That's gotta be up there among the best back to back games of any draft prospect ever - let alone a prospect who is only 18. Insane. Especially considering (as well know) that typically bigs take longer to develop. This dude is doing this at age 18 and he's 7'5".

It's nuts. There's gonna be some serious tanking going on. It'll be interesting though - as many have pointed out on twitter, even if you have the worst record in the league, you still only get a 14% chance of winning the lottery.


I think the highlights from the last game raised the bar even higher. Some of his pull up 3’s were just insane for a guy that size.
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Post#75 » by playa-hater » Fri Oct 7, 2022 2:58 am

The hype on Victor may be well deserved.. But when people talk about an 18 year old etc.. killing.. I am guessing many did not see what Dirk Nowitzki did to the USA HS Dream team. Clearly Dirk is not on Vic's defensive level, but had so much more speed and strength and yes even shooting.. Not saying one is better than the other at 18, just making a point Dirk did this all pre-social media etc..

Dirk stepped right into the NBA as a rookie and killed.. Not so sure Victor will do the same early on.
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Post#76 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Oct 7, 2022 4:01 am

When I see guys like woj saying he’s the “singular greatest draft prospect in nba history” I roll my eyes tbh. I think the kid likely is gonna be very special. Imo it’s probably better to say he’s the “most unique prospect” we’ve ever seen. He’s 7’5 moves like a wing and block shots like Gobert.

He has a real chance to be an all time great but “greatest prospect ever” that’s too much. Even with some draft guys talking about how great he is I always temper expectations in some regard just because we live in a sports world where we are always saying “this guys the next” Jordan or lebron etc. and even when people attach their name and are wrong there’s no repercussions as it’s the nature of the beast when it comes to the draft- since it’s all projections. It’s part of the social media landscape where everything’s the “greatest”.

Someone will say well he said “prospect” defending what he means but all these guys in the draft are prospects - it’s not an exact science and more like a total crap shoot. Teams are going to tank hard for him as they should and as long as there’s no injury issues with his frame it’s going to be very exciting to see where his career goes and how great he becomes.
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Post#77 » by BostonCouchGM » Fri Oct 7, 2022 4:37 am

MagicBagley18 wrote:When I see guys like woj saying he’s the “singular greatest draft prospect in nba history” I roll my eyes tbh. I think the kid likely is gonna be very special. Imo it’s probably better to say he’s the “most unique prospect” we’ve ever seen. He’s 7’3 moves like a wing and block shots like Gobert.

He has a real chance to be an all time great but “greatest prospect ever” that’s too much. Even with some draft guys talking about how great he is I always temper expectations in some regard just because we live in a sports world where we are always saying “this guys the next” Jordan or lebron etc. and even when people attach their name and are wrong there’s no repercussions as it’s the nature of the beast when it comes to the draft- since it’s all projections. It’s part of the social media landscape where everything’s the “greatest”.

Someone will say well he said “prospect” defending what he means but all these guys in the draft are prospects - it’s not an exact science and more like a total crap shoot. Teams are going to tank hard for him as they should and as long as there’s no injury issues with his frame it’s going to be very exciting to see where his career goes and how great he becomes.


normally I'd agree as sports and the media deal in hyperbole to the extreme but in this case he really is the greatest prospect ever. Remember, he's only 18 y/o. He has 20-40 lbs of muscle and girth he'll add on naturally to fill out his frame at minimum. He's already almost guaranteed to lead the league in blocks and he can shoot from outside, run the floor and score inside. There's been guys who have been physically similar (Wilt, Kareem, Sampson, Shaq, Chet) but none of them could shoot from outside, handle the ball, pass, or defend the perimeter like Victor can. That is what really separates him from everyone before him. Only injuries will prevent him from going down as one of the best in history should he reach his potential. There's been less than ten true "generational" prospects i.e. Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, Lebron and now Wembanyama. That's rarified air. So even if he isn't THE best prospect he's in that discussion alongside those guys.
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Post#78 » by BostonCouchGM » Fri Oct 7, 2022 4:39 am

playa-hater wrote:The hype on Victor may be well deserved.. But when people talk about an 18 year old etc.. killing.. I am guessing many did not see what Dirk Nowitzki did to the USA HS Dream team. Clearly Dirk is not on Vic's defensive level, but had so much more speed and strength and yes even shooting.. Not saying one is better than the other at 18, just making a point Dirk did this all pre-social media etc..

Dirk stepped right into the NBA as a rookie and killed.. Not so sure Victor will do the same early on.


Dirk put up a whopping 8-3-1 and shot 20% from three as a rookie
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Post#79 » by threrf23 » Fri Oct 7, 2022 4:55 am

Wembayana seems to be a better shooter than a young Anthony Davis, but overall I really fail to see what could possibly make him a better prospect than AD was, let alone the "singular greatest prospect in NBA draft history."

I suspect he is being overrated like Sekou Doumbaya was, granted a clearly better prospect than Doumbaya.
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Post#80 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Oct 7, 2022 11:48 am

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MagicBagley18 wrote:When I see guys like woj saying he’s the “singular greatest draft prospect in nba history” I roll my eyes tbh. I think the kid likely is gonna be very special. Imo it’s probably better to say he’s the “most unique prospect” we’ve ever seen. He’s 7’3 moves like a wing and block shots like Gobert.

He has a real chance to be an all time great but “greatest prospect ever” that’s too much. Even with some draft guys talking about how great he is I always temper expectations in some regard just because we live in a sports world where we are always saying “this guys the next” Jordan or lebron etc. and even when people attach their name and are wrong there’s no repercussions as it’s the nature of the beast when it comes to the draft- since it’s all projections. It’s part of the social media landscape where everything’s the “greatest”.

Someone will say well he said “prospect” defending what he means but all these guys in the draft are prospects - it’s not an exact science and more like a total crap shoot. Teams are going to tank hard for him as they should and as long as there’s no injury issues with his frame it’s going to be very exciting to see where his career goes and how great he becomes.


normally I'd agree as sports and the media deal in hyperbole to the extreme but in this case he really is the greatest prospect ever. Remember, he's only 18 y/o. He has 20-40 lbs of muscle and girth he'll add on naturally to fill out his frame at minimum. He's already almost guaranteed to lead the league in blocks and he can shoot from outside, run the floor and score inside. There's been guys who have been physically similar (Wilt, Kareem, Sampson, Shaq, Chet) but none of them could shoot from outside, handle the ball, pass, or defend the perimeter like Victor can. That is what really separates him from everyone before him. Only injuries will prevent him from going down as one of the best in history should he reach his potential. There's been less than ten true "generational" prospects i.e. Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, Lebron and now Wembanyama. That's rarified air. So even if he isn't THE best prospect he's in that discussion alongside those guys.


That’s fine he can be in the discussion but to say he’s the “best prospect ever” is a load of **** imo. I do think he’s the most unique one we’ve ever seen tho- he moves so fluid for his size it’s really nuts.

Long term I think we will continue to see 7’’ players being able to handle and move etc just because the game of basketball has changed so much and guys that size are encouraged now to shoot it, handle it etc. the game is totally different nowadays for guys that size then it was before- that doesn’t mean however any of them can move with the grace this kid can.

If you wanna say generational prospect that’s fine but can’t call this guy the best one ever Imo.

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