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Re: With Horford expiring, what's our future 'big' solution? 

Post#61 » by sam_I_am » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:32 pm

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sam_I_am wrote:I think Al might earn a guarantee of 100% of his money, nixing the ideas of a buy out.


I presume you meant that as I edited it above?


That is exactly what I mean and if we win a title, would there really be a difference?
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Re: With Horford expiring, what's our future 'big' solution? 

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sam_I_am wrote:I think Al might earn a guarantee of 100% of his money, nixing the ideas of a buy out.


I presume you meant that as I edited it above?


That is exactly what I mean and if we win a title, would there really be a difference?


I was just adding clarity.
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Post#63 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Apr 1, 2022 4:38 pm

Horford moving up the list of players with most playoff games but no title. 5th among active players.

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Post#64 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Apr 1, 2022 8:17 pm

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Post#65 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Apr 2, 2022 3:18 am

Dunno where we'd be right now if Brad didn't bring back Horf and we hung on to Kemba and his contract.
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Post#66 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Apr 2, 2022 3:38 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Dunno where we'd be right now if Brad didn't bring back Horf and we hung on to Kemba and his contract.


LOL, we'd likely be in the play in.

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Post#67 » by Hal14 » Sat Apr 2, 2022 7:16 pm

I'm watching this right now...



Big time matchup between 2 of the best pro basketball centers in the world, not currently in the NBA.

Duop Reath for Illawarra Hawks vs Jo Lual-Acuil for Melbourne United.

Both 6'11". Both big, skilled and athletic. Both putting up big numbers this season in terms of scoring, rebounding and blocks. Both can also shoot the 3.

Reath is 25. Lual-Acuil is 27. So both are in their prime. We could sign one of them to a cheap contract. They wouldn't need to develop. They've already been developing overseas.

Oh yeah and in this game you also have Melbourne United backup center Ariel Hukporti, a 19 year old 7-footer who is a guy we could possibly draft with our 2nd round pick this year..
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Post#68 » by Hal14 » Sat Apr 2, 2022 7:22 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Dunno where we'd be right now if Brad didn't bring back Horf and we hung on to Kemba and his contract.

Such a good trade. And it was the first move he made after taking a job where he had no experience. Pretty cool
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Post#69 » by Hal14 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 2:15 am

Hal14 wrote:I'm watching this right now...



Big time matchup between 2 of the best pro basketball centers in the world, not currently in the NBA.

Duop Reath for Illawarra Hawks vs Jo Lual-Acuil for Melbourne United.

Both 6'11". Both big, skilled and athletic. Both putting up big numbers this season in terms of scoring, rebounding and blocks. Both can also shoot the 3.

Reath is 25. Lual-Acuil is 27. So both are in their prime. We could sign one of them to a cheap contract. They wouldn't need to develop. They've already been developing overseas.

Oh yeah and in this game you also have Melbourne United backup center Ariel Hukporti, a 19 year old 7-footer who is a guy we could possibly draft with our 2nd round pick this year..

Ok, I just finished watching the game.

Reath was 2/4 from 3. JLA was 1/2 from 3. Overall Reath scored a little more points but he took more shots. JLA is longer (looks to be an inch taller even though they're both listed at 6'11"), a little more athletic and a little better on dribble drives.

Reath is really good defensively, though.

Overall, gun to my head, JLA is slightly better right now but Reath is 2 yrs younger (he's 25, JLA is 27).

I say, bring both of them in for a workout this offseason and sign 1 of them to a contract - bring that guy in to summer league team too.

Hukporti had another solid game off the bench. We only have 1 pick this draft - I don't really want to pick a center. Hukporti will be a good 2nd round pick for someone else..
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Post#70 » by Parliament10 » Thu Apr 7, 2022 6:33 pm

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Post#71 » by Hal14 » Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:30 am

Another guy we can potentially bring in for a tryout this summer. Maybe have him on our summer league team ad earn a roster spot next year.

6'11", 218 lbs. Shooting 45% from 3 this season on 4.5 attempts a game (shot 42.9% last yr and 47.8% the year before that). In other words, he's really tall and he can shoot! He's 24 yrs old too, which means he's pretty much all developed, almost a finished product but could improve a little bit more with our coaching/training.

Borisa Simanic. He plays for Mega Mozzart, in the Adriatic League.

Scouting report? Tall. Can shoot the 3. Pretty mobile. Can put it on the floor a little bit too. Decent defensively.

Could use some work to bulk up his frame and expand his game. But 6'11" dudes who shoot 45% from 3 and are only 24 yrs old don't grow on trees.

We could sign him to as cheap free agent deal.

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Just look at the filthy 3 he hits here off movement, in the clutch at the 1:15:13 mark:
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Post#72 » by celtxman » Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:34 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Dunno where we'd be right now if Brad didn't bring back Horf and we hung on to Kemba and his contract.

100% ....... Brad wasn't even given much credit when it happened. People complained about giving up the draft pick and many were lukewarm at best. Some said Brad jumped too quickly making the deal. But he saw OKC had the space to broker this deal and he didnt take a chance on someone else taking that space. Since OKC did well getting a first round pick they flipped into 2 first round picks and we now have a future trade partner.
Look at the Lakers, look at John Wall. While Horford is certainly not worth $27 million he provides real value and is an integral part of a championship caliber team.
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Post#73 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:54 pm

When I see below average starters get 18-20 millions in free agency, I'm not even sure that Horford is overpaid.

For what it's worth, he is the 39th highest paid player in the league. I can very easily make the argument that he has been better than the 39th best player this season. Especially if we take into account his availability. Most advanced metrics would certainly agree.

Next year he'll be the 47th highest salary (actually a couple guys are going to sign new deals and push him even further down the hierarchy). If you ask me to name 46 guys I'd rather have than Horford next year, I couldn't.

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Post#74 » by Marvel » Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:01 pm

Not Grant Williams. I was sorta but not really sold on him but after that Bucks game yeah nah we need Kuminga.
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Post#75 » by darrendaye » Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:32 pm

So, if I'm digesting the info from Spotrac correctly, the Celts are 1.8mm under the tax apron. Jaylen's "likely" incentive is still in play (65 games played, 49 team wins, team advances to 2nd rd playoffs), though I don't know if that's wrapped up in the 482,143 number of if it's additional. In either case, if they kept Bol Bol, I guess they WOULD have entered tax territory. So I suppose I'll have to move on.
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Post#76 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:18 am

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Post#78 » by snowman » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:05 pm

Regardless of how the playoffs end, guarantee Horford's contract for the upcoming year and sign him to a 2 year (1+1) for 10 mill per. Keep him beside Timelord in the starting rotation. Sign Grant to a 4-year deal this summer, or when he becomes eligible, at bench big money. (7-9 mil per year) Keep Theis of course. With all that being said, the big we should be looking to upgrade is Kornet. With Horfords age and Timelords injury history (although both have had great years health wise compared to what was expected at the beginning of the year) we need a 5th big to develop, so if one of our four goes down, we have someone to step in. I don't see Grant of Theis as full-time starters but really good fill ins when needed. Sign a Euro big, draft a project big in the 2nd round of the draft, or trade a future 1st and use one of the 200 (j/k) TPE's we have or something. I really like Kornet...on the Maine Celtics, but not on the big boy team.
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Post#79 » by Hal14 » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:13 pm

snowman wrote:Regardless of how the playoffs end, guarantee Horford's contract for the upcoming year and sign him to a 2 year (1+1) for 10 mill per. Keep him beside Timelord in the starting rotation. Sign Grant to a 4-year deal this summer, or when he becomes eligible, at bench big money. (7-9 mil per year) Keep Theis of course. With all that being said, the big we should be looking to upgrade is Kornet. With Horfords age and Timelords injury history (although both have had great years health wise compared to what was expected at the beginning of the year) we need a 5th big to develop, so if one of our four goes down, we have someone to step in. I don't see Grant of Theis as full-time starters but really good fill ins when needed. Sign a Euro big, draft a project big in the 2nd round of the draft, or trade a future 1st and use one of the 200 (j/k) TPE's we have or something. I really like Kornet...on the Maine Celtics, but not on the big boy team.

a 5th big? Most teams don't have that many bigs. The ones that do, I can guarantee Kornet is as good (if not better) than any of them.

Kornet is better than the sixers 2nd big, Deandre Jordan..
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Post#80 » by sam_I_am » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:28 pm

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snowman wrote:Regardless of how the playoffs end, guarantee Horford's contract for the upcoming year and sign him to a 2 year (1+1) for 10 mill per. Keep him beside Timelord in the starting rotation. Sign Grant to a 4-year deal this summer, or when he becomes eligible, at bench big money. (7-9 mil per year) Keep Theis of course. With all that being said, the big we should be looking to upgrade is Kornet. With Horfords age and Timelords injury history (although both have had great years health wise compared to what was expected at the beginning of the year) we need a 5th big to develop, so if one of our four goes down, we have someone to step in. I don't see Grant of Theis as full-time starters but really good fill ins when needed. Sign a Euro big, draft a project big in the 2nd round of the draft, or trade a future 1st and use one of the 200 (j/k) TPE's we have or something. I really like Kornet...on the Maine Celtics, but not on the big boy team.

a 5th big? Most teams don't have that many bigs. The ones that do, I can guarantee Kornet is as good (if not better) than any of them.

Kornet is better than the sixers 2nd big, Deandre Jordan..


We actually could use a starting PF/C to replace Al as he ages out. Theis/Grant is solid for now while Al is playing at this level and assuming RW is healthy enough to play full time.
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