Off-season Roster Update, 2024-25 – (Walker, last Ex-10 Player Waived)

[darrendaye]

Kornet, Brissett, Queta, Tillman combined for 2,220 regular season minutes last year which is over 27 MPG.

[ConstableGeneva]

I like the idea of the Celtics having to adjust to life without Porzingis and having to play more double big than they're comfortable with. I just like having a team that can play (and win via) a multitude of ways.

Leaning towards Tatum playing mostly at the 4 -- as a starter and as a point forward with single-big bench lineups (one of Q/X/K). We can go double-big second unit pairing Brown with White/Holiday + Horford, one of Pritchard/Hauser, and one of Q/X/K.

Hoping for Scheierman to get those minutes Brissett and Svi are leaving behind.

[playa-hater]

So, roughly figuring out how minutes may go, here's where I am. 3 minutes floating around, lol. I lean to Tatum taking them at SF and playing either Tillman or Kornet a tick more. The 3 minutes at SF is a bit silly, but, the main idea is where the big men shake out pre-Porzingis.

PG: White (26/32)/Pritchard (22)
SG: Holiday (32)/White (6/32)/Hauser (10/22)
SF: Brown (33)/ Hauser (12/22) (3?)
PF: Tatum (35)/Tillman (13)
C: Horford (26)/Queta (14)/Kornet (8)

I am probably in the minority here But I don't want to play Al anymore than 20 Minutes per Tops. Probably less. I also would be really disappointed If Scheierman doesn't see regular every game minutes. Of course, Finding those minutes will be the Hard part.

[Parliament10]

So Peterson is the only one signed to a 2-way.

I figure Watson will get 1 of the other 2-ways..and the other will go to either JD, Ron Harper Jr or Tristan Enaruna.

All of these guys will likely be playing on our SL team, so we should have a much more clear idea of this after SL..

I thought that Watson was signed right away?
Is it not official, yet?

I don't believe Watson has signed a contract yet.

Just hearing that he will "likely" sign a 2-way, but don't believe anything is official yet.

Scheierman just sighed his contract yesterday (and Tatum signed his supermax contract) so perhaps Watson will be next..

You know you're right; I actually haven't seen Watson sign a Contract.
He might end up being a Stash.

[Parliament10]

Doesn't it feel like we could use, up to 4 or 5 Two-Ways? -- I think that the League will eventually go to 5.
But, if any Team screams for that, I see it here with the Celtics.


Celtics Roster, 21-Man Offseason, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum -Horford
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Walsh - Tillman - Kornet
Reserves: XXXX - Springer - Scheierman - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: (Davison?) - Peterson - Watson
Exhibit 10: Enaruna, XXXX,

Injured
Porzingis

Not so sure that's in the best interest of the league or the players to do that. Being some team's 20th man isn't the best thing. Puts a guy waaaaaaaaay down the list to earn minutes. Forcing a team that has a surplus of talent to have to waive someone gives him an opportunity to pursue a better situation elsewhere.

In the NFL, teams have practice squads but other teams can sign players off of yours. They just have to keep him on the active roster for a certain number of weeks. Wouldn't mind something similar, if they expanded the number of 2-way slots in the NBA.

Maybe each team gets to designate 3 "exclusive" 2-way players and then for the other 2 spots, NBA teams have the option to sign them to their active roster if the guy is crushing it in the GLeague or his NBA cameos.

Yeah. That Practice Squad idea makes some sense. Needs a bit of Tweaking.
Maybe leave them as Pseudo-RFA's, and/or Tradable?

[Parliament10]

Celtics Updated Roster, 21-Man Offseason, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Horford
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Walsh - Tillman - Kornet
Reserves: XXXX - Springer - Scheierman - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: Davison - Peterson
Exhibit 10: Enaruna, XXXX,

Others
Porzingis (Injured)
Watson (Unsigned)


Looks like we have
14 NBA Contracts
02 Two-Ways
01 Exhibit-10
= 17 Spots; 4 Remaining

[darrendaye]

So, roughly figuring out how minutes may go, here's where I am. 3 minutes floating around, lol. I lean to Tatum taking them at SF and playing either Tillman or Kornet a tick more. The 3 minutes at SF is a bit silly, but, the main idea is where the big men shake out pre-Porzingis.

PG: White (26/32)/Pritchard (22)
SG: Holiday (32)/White (6/32)/Hauser (10/22)
SF: Brown (33)/ Hauser (12/22) (3?)
PF: Tatum (35)/Tillman (13)
C: Horford (26)/Queta (14)/Kornet (8)

I am probably in the minority here But I don't want to play Al anymore than 20 Minutes per Tops. Probably less. I also would be really disappointed If Scheierman doesn't see regular every game minutes. Of course, Finding those minutes will be the Hard part.

I see Al getting high 20's while KP out, then high teens/very low 20's/rest days when KP is back, and ramped back up to high 20's as playoffs approach. His 23-24 MPG settled in at 26.8 from 30.5 the season before. I also think he gets paired with Tillman a good deal with Tillman taking on the more taxing defensive assignments.

Scheierman is going to be the interesting case, where do they play him defensively off the bat? I staunchly believe Tillman gets in the regular rotation. And the double big philosophy is still something this organization likes to employ. IMO we're at least at 50 big man minutes per and that's allowing for the idea that they will go big man less almost as much as they go double big. But I see them wanting to pair Al and Tillman for 12 or so minutes a game.

And Queta? CG commented on something I always consider, the ability to beat teams in different ways. You can say they didn't need him to win a chip, but a different year different playoff matchups, you might miss Rob Williams getting a few more scoring opportunities with elite level offensive rebounding and hustle plays. Queta is the only close proximity on the team. I'd be incentivized to do all I can to work him in, particularly with 4 starters for stretches. Not going to tank games to force it, but, think this team is strong enough to compete well in those stretches.

Kornet has such a veteran knowledge of the system and core players, he doesn't need much time to get chemistry. He's better suited to inconsistent playing time than Queta would. That's the spot I think becomes a rotating slot where wings get their 3pt shooting and defense auditions.

[Hal14]

I thought that Watson was signed right away?
Is it not official, yet?

I don't believe Watson has signed a contract yet.

Just hearing that he will "likely" sign a 2-way, but don't believe anything is official yet.

Scheierman just sighed his contract yesterday (and Tatum signed his supermax contract) so perhaps Watson will be next..

You know you're right; I actually haven't seen Watson sign a Contract.
He might end up being a Stash.

Watson is not an overseas player. He's from Spokane, Washington. He won't be stashed.

He'll either get the last standard roster spot or the last 2-way..

[ConstableGeneva]

Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum (PF): 75 g, 35 mpg
White (PG/SG): 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown (SG/SF): 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday (SG): 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard (PG): 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser (SF): 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford (PF/C): 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis (C): 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet (C): 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman (PF/C): 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta (C): 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman (SF/PF): 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh (SG/SF): 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer (PG/SG): 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison (PG): 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson (SF): 10 g, 8 mpg

[darrendaye]

I don't believe Watson has signed a contract yet.

Just hearing that he will "likely" sign a 2-way, but don't believe anything is official yet.

Scheierman just sighed his contract yesterday (and Tatum signed his supermax contract) so perhaps Watson will be next..

You know you're right; I actually haven't seen Watson sign a Contract.
He might end up being a Stash.

Watson is not an overseas player. He's from Spokane, Washington. He won't be stashed.

He'll either get the last standard roster spot or the last 2-way..

I think Parl is just busting your chops.

[darrendaye]

Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum: 75 g, 35 mpg
White: 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown: 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday: 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard: 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser: 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford: 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis: 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet: 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman: 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta: 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman: 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh: 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer: 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison: 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson: 10 g, 8 mpg

Great work as always when you break it down this way. Slightest disagreement about Queta, I say more games played. But I can definitely see this as we know the games missed factors. I'd pose this question, which center do you think will be the garbage time designee?

EDIT: Queta's games played will be impacted by KPs return for sure. But I think they'll work him in semi-regularly (short minutes) in the final weeks leading up to the playoffs.

EDIT 2: Very pleased (i.e. aligns with me) with how you allocated Tillman's minutes. Simpatico on Springer, assigning him his defensive position. And to stray slightly, Hauser I consider some of his minutes to be SG minutes, again because of defensive position. Mostly SF, but when JB wants time off from heavy screen aversion, sometimes that's going to be Hauser's job.

[redslastlaugh]

Probably likely Jrue gets rolled back to under 2000 min for this upcoming season, they’ve got to protect the investment as he gets into mid-30s. PP I bet plays more total minutes than Holiday this season.

Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum: 75 g, 35 mpg
White: 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown: 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday: 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard: 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser: 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford: 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis: 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet: 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman: 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta: 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman: 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh: 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer: 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison: 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson: 10 g, 8 mpg

[ConstableGeneva]

Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum: 75 g, 35 mpg
White: 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown: 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday: 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard: 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser: 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford: 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis: 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet: 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman: 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta: 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman: 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh: 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer: 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison: 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson: 10 g, 8 mpg

Great work as always when you break it down this way. Slightest disagreement about Queta, I say more games played. But I can definitely see this as we know the games missed factors. I'd pose this question, which center do you think will be the garbage time designee?

EDIT: Queta's games played will be impacted by KPs return for sure. But I think they'll work him in semi-regularly (short minutes) in the final weeks leading up to the playoffs.

Didn't put too much thought into it. Queta's minutes could go up while Belo's could go down. So some of Tillman's minutes at C could shift to PF (less Belo at PF, more Queta at C). I'm maybe too high on Scheierman.

On load management overall, I think Cs lean more towards resting guys entirely (less games) than cutting down their minutes when they do play. So Holiday could maybe play less games but mpg is about the same.

I do think there will be less garbage time this season so minutes for the Walshes and Springers might not be there. Just a hunch. We'll see.

[cloverleaf]

Watson gets some minutes for sure. (I actually see him getting more than Walsh.)
Porzi I bet has fewer than that many minutes per game, between easing him back and then trying to keep him intact.
I also see Queta being fed steady minutes all season.
I still don't get Springer at PG at all.

[Parliament10]

You know you're right; I actually haven't seen Watson sign a Contract.
He might end up being a Stash.

Watson is not an overseas player. He's from Spokane, Washington. He won't be stashed.

He'll either get the last standard roster spot or the last 2-way..

I think Parl is just busting your chops.

No, I actually just wonder why he hasn't been signed, yet,

[Hal14]

Watson is not an overseas player. He's from Spokane, Washington. He won't be stashed.

He'll either get the last standard roster spot or the last 2-way..

I think Parl is just busting your chops.

No, I actually just wonder why he hasn't been signed, yet,

I think there's still like 4 1st round picks who haven't been signed..and for 2nd rounders, I think theres only been like 5 or 6 of them signed so far. Which leaves 29 or so drafted players who haven't been signed yet..

It's still early in the offseason, plenty of time left. We haven't even had our 1st SL game. People (players, front office personnel) were probably taking time off last week and/or over the weekend for the 4th of July holiday..

[ConstableGeneva]

Last season (forecast and how it shook out):





I was so off with Porzingis, Pritchard, LAMAR STEVENS!, and Kornet. This **** harder to predict than it seems hehe. I got the Gino Time part right.

[ConstableGeneva]

Baylor Scheierman is my Lamar Stevens for 2024-25 lol.

[165bows]

Last season (forecast and how it shook out):





I was so off with Porzingis, Pritchard, LAMAR STEVENS!, and Kornet. This **** harder to predict than it seems hehe. I got the Gino Time part right.

Ah man I need to find mine.

[djFan71]

Last season (forecast and how it shook out):





I was so off with Porzingis, Pritchard, LAMAR STEVENS!, and Kornet. This **** harder to predict than it seems hehe. I got the Gino Time part right.

We would have won the title if we'd kept Gabriel. Fire Br... Sorry can't complete the bit even in jest.