Noooo! Loss in Cleveland 12/1 – Post-Game Thread

[NYCelticsfan136]

Come back tomorrow and win. We should be on top right now in the eastern conference. Magic playing some good ball. That fourth quarter was abysmal to say the least.

[Sweet Serenity]

We missed that Tatum/White two man game tonight.

[Riverwalk2021]

Mitchell was torching Jrue lol. And on top of that, Jrue was the worst offensive player on the floor. Just a disaster game for him. Probably would've been better off benching him in the 4th

Mitchell torches a lot of people. He was torching Tatum in the 4th quarter when they played us in Boston a few weeks ago. Joe needs to keep Jrue fresh. Give him some nights off. I wanted Joe to give Springer some minutes tonight.

People need to relax on the Jrue bashing. He was one of the key reasons why we won a championship last season.
Jrue had his worst game of the season, but fans need to realize he was questionable for this game with a hip issue. Got to give me credit for playing hurt. It was Joe and the coaches job to limit his minutes and give someone like Springer a chance to play with Jrue being hurt and struggling because of it.

https://www.rotowire.com/basketball/headlines/jrue-holiday-injury-questionable-for-sunday-470174

He was a big part of winning last year (amazing in the ECF and Finals) but you cannot be a slave to the past. This is a new season and if Pritchard clearly overtakes him as a better option in crunch time, you need to make the change for the better of the team. The White/Smart 22/23 situation was a similar example.

[return2glory]

It felt like self sabotage by Mazzullla towards the end. Almost as if he wanted a close game to see something.

Mitchell 4 straight buckets and 3 of them were 3s.

If Mitchell is that great, he would've been in the finals already.

He's been doing that since his Utah Jazz days.

I mean always great in the regular season, but always comes up short in the playoffs.

If you think about it, the Cavs needed an explosion from Mitchell and 2 Celtic starters missing for the Cavs to get a win.

Tatum and Brown weren't in the finals either, before we got White. Tatum and Brown would be a .500 type team without White, Jrue and KP. Brad knew that, and surrounded them with really good players.

[fallguy]

The offense to end was the same thing most of the way. Why Joe? Switch it up!!

Perhaps you're not familiar with Mr. Mazulla's work?

[Triple7]

If we doubled Mitchell when he hit b2b 3’s, we would have won this game. Make him give up the ball.
Horf, hauser and Tatum missed wide open 3’s, when we were up 6 that could have given us a comfortable 9pt lead. Jrue playing ass all night. Missed Dwhite in this. Tatum was great until the final mins of the 4th. Should have gone through Porzingis in the post. PP was great again. I have no doubt we can overtake the cavs, and beat them when easily when we are healthy. Porzingis made the cavs bigs ineffective. That’s a big positive.

[fallguy]

This is probably a night where people would be receptive to the idea of trading Jrue for a cheaper, young big, reducing salary, and starting PP in Jrue's place from next season-onwards.

[bucknersrevenge]

No Springer, no Walsh today was a surprise. This seemed like a game that made sense to play them off the bench no?

[PierceFan4ever]

Some of the Jrue talk is a little crazy. I have zero concerns with him long term. I would be concerned if he was our third option and that could only happen if guys like white and brown are out. It’s clear that role is a little tough on him to meet expectations especially against a good team on the road. He just needs to get out of the shooting funk he’s in, gotta start knocking down the open 3 that they’re giving him.

I do think starting next year it would be smart for him to start coming off the bench and get more rest so he’s fresh come playoff time like we do with Horford.

[playa-hater]

This is probably a night where people would be receptive to the idea of trading Jrue for a cheaper, young big, reducing salary, and starting PP in Jrue's place from next season-onwards.

Anyone in mind? what team has a young decent Big that would want a savvy but older playoff veteran with a Big salary? I am with you on this idea, but just think the offseason will offseason us more options than in season.

[Fierce1]

It felt like self sabotage by Mazzullla towards the end. Almost as if he wanted a close game to see something.

Mitchell 4 straight buckets and 3 of them were 3s.

If Mitchell is that great, he would've been in the finals already.

He's been doing that since his Utah Jazz days.

I mean always great in the regular season, but always comes up short in the playoffs.

If you think about it, the Cavs needed an explosion from Mitchell and 2 Celtic starters missing for the Cavs to get a win.

Tatum and Brown weren't in the finals either, before we got White. Tatum and Brown would be a .500 type team without White, Jrue and KP. Brad knew that, and surrounded them with really good players.

It's not like Mitchell is 6-4 or 6-5.

Both Jays are above 6-6, so size is a strength.

Donovan is a 6-1 SG.

There are limitations if you're that small in the NBA as a SG.

[bucknersrevenge]

This is probably a night where people would be receptive to the idea of trading Jrue for a cheaper, young big, reducing salary, and starting PP in Jrue's place from next season-onwards.

Anyone in mind? what team has a young decent Big that would want a savvy but older playoff veteran with a Big salary? I am with you on this idea, but just think the offseason will offseason us more options than in season.

Nobody's getting moved unless it gets mandated by new ownership or unless Jrue falls off a cliff which I don't expect will happen. But if it does get mandated, it might make sense for a young team craving experience to get to the next level would be interested. A team like Detroit comes to mind.

[Fierce1]

Sour grapes. Mitchell has been a killer for years. And often in the playoffs.

Just give them their flowers.

Like I said, credit to them, but the Celtics were really at a disadvantage because they were missing 2 starters.

Yeah, Mitchell has been a killer for years, but the guy has never been to a conference finals because when the game slows down, in the playoffs, and teams focus on stopping him, he struggles.

You're wrong. His game is not predicated on pace. His counting numbers go UP in the playoffs. His efficiency numbers are flat, despite teams zeroing on him.

For his career, his FG% and 3pt FG% is lower in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

But we'll see this season if he can lead the Cavs to the finals.

If it's the Cavs in the finals then I will admit to being wrong about him.

That still gives me about 5 months to be not wrong about him.

[Fierce1]

Come back tomorrow and win. We should be on top right now in the eastern conference. Magic playing some good ball. That fourth quarter was abysmal to say the least.

Like I said, the Celtics have the tendency to do the opposite of what you want.

So if they lose tomorrow, remember this post.

[fallguy]

Like I said, credit to them, but the Celtics were really at a disadvantage because they were missing 2 starters.

Yeah, Mitchell has been a killer for years, but the guy has never been to a conference finals because when the game slows down, in the playoffs, and teams focus on stopping him, he struggles.

You're wrong. His game is not predicated on pace. His counting numbers go UP in the playoffs. His efficiency numbers are flat, despite teams zeroing on him.

For his career, his FG% and 3pt FG% is lower in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

But we'll see this season if he can lead the Cavs to the finals.

If it's the Cavs in the finals then I will admit to being wrong about him.

That still gives me about 5 months to be not wrong about him.

Don't worry. You're already wrong. No need to wait five months.

[fallguy]

This is probably a night where people would be receptive to the idea of trading Jrue for a cheaper, young big, reducing salary, and starting PP in Jrue's place from next season-onwards.

Anyone in mind? what team has a young decent Big that would want a savvy but older playoff veteran with a Big salary? I am with you on this idea, but just think the offseason will offseason us more options than in season.

Nobody's getting moved unless it gets mandated by new ownership or unless Jrue falls off a cliff which I don't expect will happen. But if it does get mandated, it might make sense for a young team craving experience to get to the next level would be interested. A team like Detroit comes to mind.

Yeah, I don't think I want to do it but if KP misses the playoffs with an injury and Al ages out by next summer, that might be the move.

[Fierce1]

You're wrong. His game is not predicated on pace. His counting numbers go UP in the playoffs. His efficiency numbers are flat, despite teams zeroing on him.

For his career, his FG% and 3pt FG% is lower in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

But we'll see this season if he can lead the Cavs to the finals.

If it's the Cavs in the finals then I will admit to being wrong about him.

That still gives me about 5 months to be not wrong about him.

Don't worry. You're already wrong. No need to wait five months.

I can't be wrong yet because the main point of my argument is Donovan is always great in the reg season and always comes up short in the playoffs.

So every time Donovan fails to make it to the finals, I'm spot on!

[Shak_Celts]

The offense to end was the same thing most of the way. Why Joe? Switch it up!!

Perhaps you're not familiar with Mr. Mazulla's work?

We switched it up in the playoffs, I’m not worried. Just saying, he could have said move the ball. Felt like we were ruining the clock out for NO REASON given the score.

I think Zingers D hurt there, drop coverage. No doubt he’s a big help to our D but Luka KILLED him in the playoffs in the same manner. Why do we always wait to do something different. Maybe we do it and I don’t notice because I’m not nearly as smart about basketball as Joe, but it’s feels like if we aren’t going to a break (usually halftime), we won’t change the coverage and we let a team run the same play multiple times in a row successfully.

Another example of what I’m talking about, someone mentioned before the halftime break of the bulls game IIRC, why not put Tatum on Vuc and KP (Al?) on someone else? He kept getting the same shot from 3 until AFTER the half where he switched Tatum onto him like the poster said.

Make the change on the fly, please. This game, why didn’t we keep someone else up who was quicker when Jrue would get screened? Seemed like it was always KP in drop. Force Mitchell to pass because he was hot, of course he was going to hit those wide open shots!


I need to see it again but it felt like that’s all we kept doing. Sometimes seeing things again proves me wrong, may be wrong here.

[fallguy]

For his career, his FG% and 3pt FG% is lower in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

But we'll see this season if he can lead the Cavs to the finals.

If it's the Cavs in the finals then I will admit to being wrong about him.

That still gives me about 5 months to be not wrong about him.

Don't worry. You're already wrong. No need to wait five months.

I can't be wrong yet because the main point of my argument is Donovan is always great in the reg season and always comes up short in the playoffs.

So every time Donovan fails to make it to the finals, I'm spot on!

You're definitely the same poster you've always been. There's certainly no evolution. I'll give you that.

[Shak_Celts]

Don't worry. You're already wrong. No need to wait five months.

I can't be wrong yet because the main point of my argument is Donovan is always great in the reg season and always comes up short in the playoffs.

So every time Donovan fails to make it to the finals, I'm spot on!

You're definitely the same poster you've always been. There's certainly no evolution. I'll give you that.

This feels like it’s going left, please don’t.