Apparently We're On The Naughty List You Guys! Loss vs PHI 12/25

[Fierce1]

Many posters complaining about defense, yet no one here mentions a Peep about Kornet and our Double Big lineups being a BIG (not only though) reason for it. I don't care if the Double Bigs put an occasional 3 minute run together against some Scrub team on occasion. Just the Idea that usually old man Al and Kornet and a slow/injured KP can actually get out and guard. And even when they do, they get beat. that usually causes a rotation breakdown and someone else looks bad.

When any of our starters goes down or is out, Joe simply starts Al and Brings in Kornet like he can plug in any position. Joe literally has given NO FAITH or experience To Walsh, Peterson, Springer or even our first RD pick. I guess none are ready and will not ever be ready. Can you imagine being an NBA player and never getting in??

Someone else said Joe "is Rigid" .. that to me is the Nice version. He literally has a hard time adjusting the game on the Fly. Philly killed us twice when Embiid was out and player NO center. Half of our time with that was double Bigs. They gave up so many open looks. And still no adjustment.

Let me remind everyone our defense has been quite bad for a while. Playing eight players and double Bigs makes us slower and more fatigued.

Either start playing any of Walsh/Peterson/Springer some timely minutes or get/trade for someone that will.

And until Proven otherwise Joe is now Doc Rivers 2.0 for me.

Joe proved you wrong last season.

Guess Joe will have to do it again this season.

I never ever respond to you for obvious reasons, but I will this one time. Never said Boston couldn't win with Joe. But did say we wouldn't win BECAUSE of him.

98.5% of the time Joe has coached, Boston has had the superior talent. Last year it was enough to win. God forbid if the talent is even close and we need his coaching the get us over the Hump.

To me, the coach is not as important, like you say it is.

Spoelstra of the Heat is considered the best coach today and he has a 2-4 finals record.

So if Joe is Doc 2.0 and the Celtics win championships with him then that's good enough.

We've seen Belichick without Tom Brady and Bill is considered the GOAT.

We don't need a great coach, we just need a coach that the players will listen to.

[Fierce1]

Point is, your theory that they aren't defending because they're trying to avoid injury is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope I've ever heard lol

I never said they aren't defending because of the fear of getting hurt.

What I said was they're not playing as hard or defending as hard because they're trying to avoid getting hurt.

That's a normal reaction after seeing star players getting injured more often.

And that is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope ever lol. Especially when they're playing their top guys 40+ minutes in regulation in December and kept an obviously injured player on the floor for an entire quarter AFTER he got hurt.

Like I said, minutes has nothing to do with how hard you play.

Some players play less minutes but play very hard.

So it's not how many minutes you play, it's how hard you play for the minutes that you are given.

If it's not being cautious then what's your take on why the Celtic players are not playing as hard on defense this season?

[Fierce1]

It's funny how after a loss this thread gets more comments. But it is always 9 posters vs ONE GREEN teamer and a few Neutrals. How about no one say anything and we just tune in the playoffs. Because ONE green teamer is always right and everyone else is wasting their breath.

All of us has been in this similar situation last season.

In the end it was the doubters who lost to the green teamers in June 2024.

[playa-hater]

For those who say we got nothing from our bench..Sam Hauser was 0-0 and 0-1 in his last 2 games at 16 and 13 minutes. That is NOT Hauser's fault. God forbid they have him run off a screen or allow him to be in the PnR. Oh and he definitely defends better than Kornet.

Horrible coaching again.

[Parasite]

Our defense is beyond putrid. It’s actually embarrassing to watch at times.

[Fierce1]

For those who say we got nothing from our bench..Sam Hauser was 0-0 and 0-1 in his last 2 games at 16 and 13 minutes. That is NOT Hauser's fault. God forbid they have him run off a screen or allow him to be in the PnR. Oh and he definitely defends better than Kornet.

Horrible coaching again.

So it's not possible that other teams already learned their lesson and will not allow Sam to get open?

[Bar Fight]

I never said they aren't defending because of the fear of getting hurt.

What I said was they're not playing as hard or defending as hard because they're trying to avoid getting hurt.

That's a normal reaction after seeing star players getting injured more often.

And that is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope ever lol. Especially when they're playing their top guys 40+ minutes in regulation in December and kept an obviously injured player on the floor for an entire quarter AFTER he got hurt.

Like I said, minutes has nothing to do with how hard you play.

Some players play less minutes but play very hard.

So it's not how many minutes you play, it's how hard you play for the minutes that you are given.

If it's not being cautious then what's your take on why the Celtic players are not playing as hard on defense this season?

Yeah, they're TOTALLY avoiding injury by running their stars into the ground in a December game and literally LEAVING an injured player in the game lol. Whatever. Keep coping.

[Fierce1]

And that is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope ever lol. Especially when they're playing their top guys 40+ minutes in regulation in December and kept an obviously injured player on the floor for an entire quarter AFTER he got hurt.

Like I said, minutes has nothing to do with how hard you play.

Some players play less minutes but play very hard.

So it's not how many minutes you play, it's how hard you play for the minutes that you are given.

If it's not being cautious then what's your take on why the Celtic players are not playing as hard on defense this season?

Yeah, they're TOTALLY avoiding injury by running their stars into the ground in a December game and literally LEAVING an injured player in the game lol. Whatever. Keep coping.

Your coping mechanism is also flawed because you're equating minutes played to how hard a player plays.

Reason why the Jays are getting minutes is because they want their numbers.

JT is gunning for MVP, right?

JB wants back on the All-NBA team, right?

What I'm talking about is a guy like Derrick White, and the other role players.

They're just not as tenacious compared to last season, regardless of how many minutes they get.

[playa-hater]

Meanwhile Yabusele is playing 21 minutes per game, shooting 49.5 and 39%. Is there a single person here that believes Joe would even play him more than an occasional few minutes per game + garbage time if he was on Boston?? They would have said we wasn't ready.

[Fierce1]

Meanwhile Yabusele is playing 21 minutes per game, shooting 49.5 and 39%. Is there a single person here that believes Joe would even play him more than an occasional few minutes per game + garbage time if he was on Boston?? They would have said we wasn't ready.

That I agree.

Joe does not like undersized bigs.

Joe couldn't use Grant Williams when Grant was doing well with Udoka.

Just a case of bigger is better for Joe.

But Joe is 1-0 in the finals and Udoka is 0-1.

[Bar Fight]

Like I said, minutes has nothing to do with how hard you play.

Some players play less minutes but play very hard.

So it's not how many minutes you play, it's how hard you play for the minutes that you are given.

If it's not being cautious then what's your take on why the Celtic players are not playing as hard on defense this season?

Yeah, they're TOTALLY avoiding injury by running their stars into the ground in a December game and literally LEAVING an injured player in the game lol. Whatever. Keep coping.

Your coping mechanism is also flawed because you're equating minutes played to how hard a player plays.

Reason why the Jays are getting minutes is because they want their numbers.

JT is gunning for MVP, right?

JB wants back on the All-NBA team, right?

What I'm talking about is a guy like Derrick White, and the other role players.

They're just not as tenacious compared to last season, regardless of how many minutes they get.

So what's your excuse for leaving an injured player on the floor for the entire half? Please enlighten me on why that's actually a brilliant way of avoiding further injury lol

[ConstableGeneva]

via Sean Grande:

That was the 58th time in franchise history the Celtics made 20 3's in a regulation game.

They had been 54-3 before tonight....winning 26 straight.

Which just tells you defense is the problem.

12-1 when limiting opponents to 53% eFG%. 10-7 otherwise.
13-1 when defensive rating is 112.0 or better. 9-7 otherwise.

Our own shooting can go up and down. Defense should be consistent. C's can control that end.

[ConstableGeneva]

BTW, players should be fined for saying cliche things like "look ourselves in the mirror." lol

[tfribs45]

C’s have been coasting for a while now, need I say tweak the roster a bit?! It’s been lazy bball for a while…..

[Larry_Russell]

Its painfully obvious when this team flips their switch NO ONE is in their class.

Yea it doesn't work like that even Kobe/Shaq teams had good and great. Not bad and great like Celtics right now

Bad?

Come on dude....

[return2glory]

2 straight losses. This team has been average at best over the last 10 games. I want more losses. Let this be a reality check.
Brad need to go out and get a reliable wing off the bench. Walsh isn't close to ready to be that guy. Hauser has not played well so far. Peterson isn't getting time and is unproved. Springer isn't getting time and is unproven. Tillman has been lost on the bench.

Also, am I the only one hold my breath everything KP steps on the floor?

I want more minutes for Queta. Kornet has been solid. Brad needs to find a wing player like one of the Martin brother's. I've like both of these guys coming out of college. We can also so a young big off the bench that is athletic and can defend and hit open 3s. It's not going to be easy to repeat. Without one more solid bench player, I don't feel this team will have a strong chance to repeat.

[return2glory]

For those who say we got nothing from our bench..Sam Hauser was 0-0 and 0-1 in his last 2 games at 16 and 13 minutes. That is NOT Hauser's fault. God forbid they have him run off a screen or allow him to be in the PnR. Oh and he definitely defends better than Kornet.

Horrible coaching again.

Hauser has no business playing right now. He came back from the back injury too soon. He isn't himself. Hasn't got going at all this season. He started the season hurt. Came back and didn't play well. He finally started putting a few good games together and got hurt again. This season, we have no wing off the bench other than Hauser. If Hauser is hurt or not playing well, we have nothing. Walsh is a few years away. Springer is 6'3-6'4. More a SG than a wing. Peterson hasn't gotten a chance outside of 2 games. He is also unproven. Joe can't make up his mind who to out of Walsh and Peterson and ends up playing neither.

Last season, we have Brissett, Lamar Stevens and Svi that were all better wing options off the bench behind Hauser. Brad is too smart not to figure that out and add a wing before the deadline. Or we won't have a chance at repeating.

[bfchs123]

I don’t think there is any big acquisition coming, certainly not a wing worth giving minutes to. Those guys are $15M a year players in today’s NBA, we’re over the cap, and just gave our backup wing a $45M extension. They need to make what they have work and have some auditions for bench players to make an impact.

[Parliament10]

I don’t think there is any big acquisition coming, certainly not a wing worth giving minutes to. Those guys are $15M a year players in today’s NBA, we’re over the cap, and just gave our backup wing a $45M extension. They need to make what they have work and have some auditions for bench players to make an impact.

Lonnie Walker would fit the bill. Peterson can also come up.
But, Agreed on playing the Bench.

I blame these Losses on Mazzulla.
I'm not sure why he runs the Starters into the Ground, at over 40 mins each, and doesn't even go to the Stay Ready Group?

[ThePigeon]

For those who say we got nothing from our bench..Sam Hauser was 0-0 and 0-1 in his last 2 games at 16 and 13 minutes. That is NOT Hauser's fault. God forbid they have him run off a screen or allow him to be in the PnR. Oh and he definitely defends better than Kornet.

Horrible coaching again.

So it's not possible that other teams already learned their lesson and will not allow Sam to get open?

Sure is
And they learned PP and play him harder

It is the coaches' job to find ways to play to their strengths. We need some adjustments game to game and within games
Caleb Martin was open all night long although we know he plays unconscious against us. Teams adjust