Both Teams Played Hard! Loss vs CLE 2/28

[Shak_Celts]

Sure single game plus minus isn’t gospel but can give some hints. The thing is though, the available information from the game was that Craig had been worse than Hauser, so is it really a poor decision by Joe not to go back to him? FWIW I wouldn’t have been against using him more but it would have been a risk.

Craig is a risk for sure. And Walsh is a lottery ticket (and not a good one). But anything would have been better than Sam tonight.

I don't really care about this game but JB and JT were working so **** hard tonight it would have been nice if Joe could have shown up for them.

All I’m saying is that there seems to be an assumption that because Joe didn’t make a decision to swap out Hauser for another guy that he isn’t proactive or making a decision. Sometimes a decision to stick with a guy and trust them to turn it around, especially when there isn’t an obvious better one is the best decision. It doesn’t mean Joe didn’t show up. We didn’t win this one but I’m not convinced it’s because Hauser wasn’t replaced more.

If it’s Luka, you just gotta let him get cooked. If Hauser is getting cooked, you can try something different! They went to that switch EVERY TIME DOWN just about, in the 4th! Idc if they were calling the switch and it was JB getting torched, try SOMETHING ELSE!! You think I’m going to go by +\- and say well he had the 2nd best, just keep letting them cook him? Someone else’s plus minus would make us… how could it get worse exactly?

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Craig is a risk for sure. And Walsh is a lottery ticket (and not a good one). But anything would have been better than Sam tonight.

I don't really care about this game but JB and JT were working so **** hard tonight it would have been nice if Joe could have shown up for them.

All I’m saying is that there seems to be an assumption that because Joe didn’t make a decision to swap out Hauser for another guy that he isn’t proactive or making a decision. Sometimes a decision to stick with a guy and trust them to turn it around, especially when there isn’t an obvious better one is the best decision. It doesn’t mean Joe didn’t show up. We didn’t win this one but I’m not convinced it’s because Hauser wasn’t replaced more.

If it’s Luka, you just gotta let him get cooked. If Hauser is getting cooked, you can try something different! They went to that switch EVERY TIME DOWN just about, in the 4th! Idc if they were calling the switch and it was JB getting torched, try SOMETHING ELSE!! You think I’m going to go by +\- and say well he had the 2nd best, just keep letting them cook him? Someone else’s plus minus would make us… how could it get worse exactly?

So…who should have gotten some of his minutes? It may have gone better, thing is we’ll never know so it’s an easy criticism.

I’m not saying I would have done the same thing as Joe. All I do is analyse the thinking and figure out if it makes sense to me and it does, so I’m not worried about it.

[NYCelticsfan136]

I am worried about the celtics gagging this second seed. This team is frustrating. Some nights they look unbeatable and other nights they look lethargic. Story of this season.

[ConstableGeneva]

Craig is a risk for sure. And Walsh is a lottery ticket (and not a good one). But anything would have been better than Sam tonight.

I don't really care about this game but JB and JT were working so **** hard tonight it would have been nice if Joe could have shown up for them.

All I’m saying is that there seems to be an assumption that because Joe didn’t make a decision to swap out Hauser for another guy that he isn’t proactive or making a decision. Sometimes a decision to stick with a guy and trust them to turn it around, especially when there isn’t an obvious better one is the best decision. It doesn’t mean Joe didn’t show up. We didn’t win this one but I’m not convinced it’s because Hauser wasn’t replaced more.

If it’s Luka, you just gotta let him get cooked. If Hauser is getting cooked, you can try something different! They went to that switch EVERY TIME DOWN just about, in the 4th! Idc if they were calling the switch and it was JB getting torched, try SOMETHING ELSE!! You think I’m going to go by +\- and say well he had the 2nd best, just keep letting them cook him? Someone else’s plus minus would make us… how could it get worse exactly?

The hope is that Joe plays it differently come playoffs. Craig getting up to speed with our defense will be a huge help. And of course PP and Hauser play less with Holiday and Porzingis available.

Pisses me off we lost this game but ultimately means little for how we might fare in the playoffs when both teams are healthy.

[Shak_Celts]

I’m over it but my body isn’t because I couldn’t post during the game. I love Joe, but that was caca and i don’t want to hear anything different. It wasn’t even just the bbq in the fourth. He is afraid if anyone doesn’t go ham in the couple minutes he gives them, then that means it’s over for them forever. I don’t like it!

[Fierce1]

Cs losing this game isn't all bad.

If Cs won this game without KP and Jrue, there would be a false sense of security.

This loss keeps the Celtics grounded.
Reminds them a return to the finals will not be easy.

[redslastlaugh]

I’m over it but my body isn’t because I couldn’t post during the game. I love Joe, but that was caca and i don’t want to hear anything different. It wasn’t even just the bbq in the fourth. He is afraid if anyone doesn’t go ham in the couple minutes he gives them, then that means it’s over for them forever. I don’t like it!

KP makes a big difference in this matchup against Allen & Mobley though, don’t forget KP! We didn’t have him

[Shak_Celts]

All I’m saying is that there seems to be an assumption that because Joe didn’t make a decision to swap out Hauser for another guy that he isn’t proactive or making a decision. Sometimes a decision to stick with a guy and trust them to turn it around, especially when there isn’t an obvious better one is the best decision. It doesn’t mean Joe didn’t show up. We didn’t win this one but I’m not convinced it’s because Hauser wasn’t replaced more.

If it’s Luka, you just gotta let him get cooked. If Hauser is getting cooked, you can try something different! They went to that switch EVERY TIME DOWN just about, in the 4th! Idc if they were calling the switch and it was JB getting torched, try SOMETHING ELSE!! You think I’m going to go by +\- and say well he had the 2nd best, just keep letting them cook him? Someone else’s plus minus would make us… how could it get worse exactly?

The hope is that Joe plays it differently come playoffs. Craig getting up to speed with our defense will be a huge help. And of course PP and Hauser play less with Holiday and Porzingis available.

Pisses me off we lost this game but ultimately means little for how we might fare in the playoffs when both teams are healthy.

I know, I know. We did little but huge changes last playoffs, i think he’ll try to adjust more then. I just hate that he rarely goes out of the box. Not that he doesn’t make changes, it’s that he will let us do the same thing over and over again and not say a word about it. Even on offense, he lets them get away with too much. Too many times we get up and then he’ll allow poop multiple times in a row and not tell them to do anything different on offense. Tatum and JB will do the same force 4 times in a row and he’ll let them come down and do it A 5th time and hold this hands out like what are you doing… the same ish they did the 4 times before it sir!!

[Fierce1]

I’m over it but my body isn’t because I couldn’t post during the game. I love Joe, but that was caca and i don’t want to hear anything different. It wasn’t even just the bbq in the fourth. He is afraid if anyone doesn’t go ham in the couple minutes he gives them, then that means it’s over for them forever. I don’t like it!

KP makes a big difference in this matchup against Allen & Mobley though, don’t forget KP!

True.

KP is a difference maker on both ends of the floor.

Cavs won't have a lot of those point-blank shots around the rim if KP is in there.

[tfribs45]

Pritchard -34 is crazy.

Great reg season player. Come playoff time he’ll get exposed and become a liability defensively

[Celts17Pride]

A sneaky weakness of this team is the lack of playable athletes off the bench. Al, Sam, Luke and PP are valuable but they're all below average athletes by NBA standards.

thus the need to go get a defensive wing. If Mazzulla doesn't play the others players, then get rid of Mazzulla.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I am worried about the celtics gagging this second seed. This team is frustrating. Some nights they look unbeatable and other nights they look lethargic. Story of this season.

Watch 82 games of just about every NBA team and you'll see a lot of this. There are maybe one or two exceptions a season and they are usually 2 of the following 3: young/deep/athletic (like OKC/CLE).....

A lot of overreactions in this thread, as expected.

I don't think this one was about relaxing though. I would guess it's 3 things: 1) We have some injuries and depth is not our strength. 2) Cleveland is good. 3) Joe is fine with sacrificing a couple wins to give the players a chance to figure it out.

As fans (3) can be frustrating, but it's probably the right approach. The C's have a very good player development record under Brad and Mazulla.

[Parasite]

Joe’s terrible guys. He really is. Any coach wins us that title last year. He’s being exposed big time this year. He might be worse than Doc was.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

I am worried about the celtics gagging this second seed. This team is frustrating. Some nights they look unbeatable and other nights they look lethargic. Story of this season.

Watch 82 games of just about every NBA team and you'll see a lot of this. There are maybe one or two exceptions a season and they are usually 2 of the following 3: young/deep/athletic (like OKC/CLE).....

A lot of overreactions in this thread, as expected.

I don't think this one was about relaxing though. I would guess it's 3 things: 1) We have some injuries and depth is not our strength. 2) Cleveland is good. 3) Joe is fine with sacrificing a couple wins to give the players a chance to figure it out.

As fans (3) can be frustrating, but it's probably the right approach. The C's have a very good player development record under Brad and Mazulla.

100%. Nicely worded.

[Celts17Pride]

Talking about trade Jrue so Pritch can start. Okay if yall say so! That’s not against PP, that’s misunderstanding what Jrue does and especially how we don’t win last season without him! PERIOD!

It doesn't matter what Jrue Holiday did last season, he has already been rewarded for that. It's what is he going to do this season and then the next 3 seasons after that. By the way, I personally have never said PP should be starting, not that you are saying I did.

[Shak_Celts]

I’m over it but my body isn’t because I couldn’t post during the game. I love Joe, but that was caca and i don’t want to hear anything different. It wasn’t even just the bbq in the fourth. He is afraid if anyone doesn’t go ham in the couple minutes he gives them, then that means it’s over for them forever. I don’t like it!

KP makes a big difference in this matchup against Allen & Mobley though, don’t forget KP! We didn’t have him

I don’t doubt it, but one thing I fear, if that was KP instead of Hauser it would have been the same story. He gets cooked on the perimeter! I don’t know how people forget how Luka got him switched on him like 5 times in a row one game and fried him! I know Luka can do that to anyone but here’s where the rub is, he wasn’t doing that when horford was the switch! He sautéed KP every time he was on him in any game. He’s going to shut the paint down but in the playoffs they’re going to consistently bring him out. I’m worried about it.

This is why I’m blowed that people think so little of what Horford and Jrue mean for us. “Start PP and trade old man Al?” Just sorely underrated what those guys do. Borders on disrespectful.

[Celts17Pride]

Mobley ate our "bigs" for breakfast.

A big part of a reason for that is the Celtics didn't have anyone on the perimeter to stay in front of Mitchell and Garland especially when Brown had to go out with foul trouble.

Read on Twitter

Go get a defensive wing!

[redslastlaugh]

Offensively at least we’re gonna be at a coaching disadvantage against Atkinson, Kerr, Quinn Snyder and a couple of others in potential playoff series this year. Last year we had a juggernaut, the teams we played were hobbled and the schedule blessed us with a week off between series for Al Horford to rest his legs. This year looks to be more of a challenge.

Joe’s terrible guys. He really is. Any coach wins us that title last year. He’s being exposed big time this year. He might be worse than Doc was.

[Shak_Celts]

Talking about trade Jrue so Pritch can start. Okay if yall say so! That’s not against PP, that’s misunderstanding what Jrue does and especially how we don’t win last season without him! PERIOD!

It doesn't matter what Jrue Holiday did last season, he has already been rewarded for that. It's what is he going to do this season and then the next 3 seasons after that. By the way, I personally have never said PP should be starting, not that you are saying I did.

Not just last season. Idc what bucks fans said about his shooting, they don’t have the success they had without Jrue and we wouldn’t have either! I hope Jrue is healthy because he does a lot of little things that go unnoticed. I definitely mainly see it during replays when I single him out. He’s underrated by fans. Brad knows. I hope for this season, because he’s guaranteed to be a Celtics, that we never have to find out how underrated he is.


I don’t think we have to be fully healthy to win, we can’t/shouldn’t count on that anyway. It definitely matters who is injured though.

[titlebound1]

Uggg if we're missing two starters in the playoffs, we might be in trouble