Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[165bows]

You also run into the danger of player entitlement really seeping into this locker room if they tank, especially without Jrue and Big Al. With that comes drama and the inevitability that your stars will ask out to go to a better situation which doesn’t always mean a better team but go to a better market. At least put something together that’s semi competitive for the next couple years so we don’t see Tatum suiting up in Purple in Gold on opening night in 2029.

On that front Brad loathes tanking so I’m not overly concerned but it’s more about how to put together an elite team - he’s also been elite at knowing when to cut the cord on guys so he’s prob the best guy to handle this.

But can’t help that it feels like a big move is right there depending on another team pulling the trigger.

[Red2]

Brad has repeatedly passed on opportunities to draft bigs and now the cupboard is bare

[dortmunder]

I think we better put some oíl and diésel in our old reliable M1 Abrams.....

[aim2please]

Makes no sense to get mad at a minimum contract guy, but Garza is not an NBA player. Like someone said, Enes Kanter archetype. Horrible defender, can score, never passes the ball. He's 31% from 3p range so he won't space the floor. Minny wasn't gonna bring him back yet C's gave him a 2nd year guaranteed.

With Horford most likely heading West, C's have lost 5 out of their 8 players that were high level impact players. Simons, Niang and Garza are all below replacement level impact-wise. They are White or Pritchard injury away from being bottom 5 team in the East. Maybe not the worst scenario to get a lotto pick in a gap year.

Garza hasn't had the NBA minutes to judge 3 pt shooting. Shot 43% during his last G League year.

You forgot to say it was a 6 game sample, only 28 attempts. He made 32% of his 3s in 21-22 season in the G-league. (16 games, 78 attempts)

70% FT shooter in NCAA, 70% FT shooter in the NBA. Bad FT shooters don't tend to make their 3s consistently. He turns 27 in December. It is what it is.

[31to6]

A lot of you post as if you never watched this guy start at center for your Boston Celtics

Watch on YouTube

And I swear to god the other options were a 38 year old Alton Lister and Marty Conlon

Comparatively: these remain absolute GLORY days! Amari Williams ROY!
Neeimas Queta MIP!
Luka Garza FMVP!

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

The Celtics have hemorrhaged so much talent this off season, that there's no real need to tank to be in the Lottery. It will come naturally. Now, to be in the Top 5 Picks, that likely requires a major injury or Brown/White trade.

But, with the loss of talent and the need to develop some of the younger players, losses should occur naturally.

I mean, the Celtics are so depleted at PF and Center at the moment, that I think their best chance to lose competitively and to make it exciting viewing at the same time is to utilize small units.

Brown at Center, Hauser at PF, White at SF, Simons and PP at guard. Outrun, outshoot and out quick opposing teams into eye-catching losses, 135 - 128.

Become the top scoring team in the NBA and make it a Lottery Bound but extremely watchable product.

[Jellybeans]

Like holy hell what kinda expectaions did you guys have for this offseason?
Some of us where getting ready for this for 2 seasons. Everyone damn knew that we had 2-3 season to win and then there will be hell with roster and salary cap.
It came faster with JT's injury and made it even worse.

It’s still early. But some of you who were getting ready for this two seasons ago wanted to tank two seasons ago. They aren’t winning the title this year, however, bringing a tanking culture to Boston isn’t good at all. I’m also not sure Mazzula is a good enough coach to keep it from happening.

But on the other hand we get to talk about prospects, potential and ceilings again.

2 seasons ago we did change things up and it worked out great.
Now we have problem that wasnt there 2 seasons ago and thats our salary cap numbers.
We pretty much just lost 60 mil in cap space because both supermax contracts kickd in. Brad will need to do some kinda black voodoo stuff to build new team that can win.
Cant waste picks.Need new guys to crack rotation in next 2 years.How possible is that? Not high on that.

[Larry_Russell]

Like holy hell what kinda expectaions did you guys have for this offseason?
Some of us where getting ready for this for 2 seasons. Everyone damn knew that we had 2-3 season to win and then there will be hell with roster and salary cap.
It came faster with JT's injury and made it even worse.

Not to fence sit.

Either tear the **** down, get pick and capspace amd suck then get awesome in offseason

Or
Stay competetive.


Neither has been accomplished.

Just got way worse but no promising youth, not bad enough for a shot at a great pick and have not cleared the taxes.

One of worst offsesons in celtic history

[Curmudgeon]

Tatum got hurt, Horford got old and a new CBA came in. C'est la vie. As for the center position I have no problem with Queta because he rebounds and protects the rim-- at least until he fouls out. That's his problem, not lack of energy or skill.

[flintsky21]

I'd be shocked if this is how the frontcourt looks like on opening night. Brad's working on something. I remember how the KP deal came out of absolutely nowhere.

[GoCeltics123]

Don’t think they’re outright tanking but pretty obvious that Brad wants to soft tank

[Curmudgeon]

I'd be shocked if this is how the frontcourt looks like on opening night. Brad's working on something. I remember how the KP deal came out of absolutely nowhere.

If White is the one who goes, it's a hard tank.

[cloverleaf]

Tatum got hurt, Horford got old and a new CBA came in. C'est la vie. As for the center position I have no problem with Queta because he rebounds and protects the rim-- at least until he fouls out. That's his problem, not lack of energy or skill.

Sometimes it just takes experience and incentive for young bigs to learn not to foul excessively. This year Nemi should get more experience while he'll have the incentive of Amari, as a more skilled version of himself, ready to step in, over and in front of him.

[itrsteve]

Don’t think they’re outright tanking but pretty obvious that Brad wants to soft tank

I would too if I were him, his hands were absolutely tied if you can't even aggregate salaries.

I'm still very high on this off season. We didn't trade away anybody that would have much value in 2 seasons so no reason to run it back.

If D-White goes then I will absolutely rage, but for right now I am AOK.

[hugepatsfan]

IF TATUM WERE HEALTHY their roster right now would be:

White / Pritchard
Brown / Simons / Gonzalez
Hauser / Scheierman
Tatum / Niang
Same C rotation we have now

That's a very good rotation at PG/SG/SF/PF. And it'd still be a very good rotation if they traded one of Simons/Hauser for a starting caliber big man. Which they probably would have done, even with future picks going out. All of a sudden that turns you into a very good roster with a little bit of uncertainty at backup center where you'd be relying on Queta/Garza/Tillman and some uncertainty with Scheierman/Gonzo being your backup wings but you can be mitigated by how you line up rotations with Pritchard/White lineups or Tatum playing some 3 with steady/serviceable Niang at the 4. Also, Horford might have taken less to stay there which would have solved backup center anyway.

The problem is that with Tatum out, they'll need to play Hauser at the 4 and that makes it look ugly because he's not really a 4. So you feel terrible about that position now. And taking him out of the wing spot means now you don't really have that surplus to not rely on at least one of Scheierman/Gonzo playing well as youngsters so it looks shaky on paper. And now that you stink at 2/5 positions and your overall depth chart at the other 3 doesn't feel super strong, it doesn't really make sense to pour draft assets into this team anymore which means you probably can't land a starting caliber big because the guy we'd be looking to trade (mainly Simons now since Hauser kind of needed at the 4) is less valuable than a starting caliber big.

I don't think they're "tanking" in a dramatic sense of the word. This team just has some holes on it (also some good players too!) but the value of holding onto our future draft picks for when Tatum is back simply outweighs pouring them into the team while he's out. So you live with those inadequacies for a year.

[dortmunder]

i´m ok with the picture of the team.
as someone said, its some kind of soft tank.
and that´s life.

[Gant]

The Spurs were reportedly interested in both Kornet and Yabusele. They grabbed Luke.

Similarly Denver is now interested in both Horford and Yabusele. They won't get both.

Reports are Yabs will not return to Philly.

Yabusele is durable and high energy. He'd solve a pf and spot center problem for Boston, and could possibly be attainable now. He's also what everyone hoped Xavier Tillman would be. Plus he loves the Celtics.

[hugepatsfan]

The Spurs were reportedly interested in both Kornet and Yabusele. They grabbed Luke.

Similarly Denver is now interested in both Horford and Yabusele. They won't get both.

Reports are Yabs will not return to Philly.

Yabusele is durable and high energy. He'd solve a pf and spot center problem for Boston, and could possibly be attainable now. He's also what everyone hoped Xavier Tillman would be. Plus he loves the Celtics.

Spurs only used like $9M of the $14M available in the MLE for Kornet's salary. They still can offer Yabu more than we can. We can probably offer to make him the starter at either PF or C though and much more playing time, so maybe on a 1 year deal he'd take that over money.

A vet min deal for him would take us back over the 2nd apron, fwiw. Unless we waived Walsh or Davison (non guaranteed) or made a trade.

[Larry_Russell]

i´m ok with the picture of the team.
as someone said, its some kind of soft tank.
and that´s life.

What should have happened was trade jrue amd KP for some value instead of what they did.

And trade brown.

Embrace a 1 year tank and retool with rookies, tatum, white, pritchard and capspace

[hugepatsfan]

I think the word "tank" is being overused. Tanking is when you're below the tax and you still trade away every single even slightly positively contributing player for far off 2nds for no real reason other than improving your draft pick by maybe losing one more game. Tanking is sitting guys randomly just to play worse players.

Making trades to reset the cap sheet is not tanking. Trading away good players at high value is not tanking. That's rebuilding/retooling.