Massive NBA Conspiracy Continues To Unfold! Loss vs DET 10/26

[GoCeltics123]

If you're talking about Kalkrenner, he's 7-1 barefoot with a 7-6 wingspan
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?dir=D&sort=WINGSPAN

don't know where you are getting 6-10, but not even close

Fair, thought he was shorter when I watched in college.

Still was not a believer in him and don't really think it's a loss to worry about. Maybe I'll be wrong, but he's just going to be a whatever guy.

Baylor over Flip was 100000x worse. But Brad picked Hugo so who cares

Brad still had thye 32nd pick after getting Hugo in the Brad. Brad trading out of number 32. Ryan Kalkbrenner was still there. I love Brad but was pissed at that move. He moved down and got Shulga and Amari.

We'll see. Kalk might be something, but he was getting toasted pretty bad against Philly the other night. I don't really see it with him, he'll probably be an ok backup, but nothing special

[return2glory]

Fair, thought he was shorter when I watched in college.

Still was not a believer in him and don't really think it's a loss to worry about. Maybe I'll be wrong, but he's just going to be a whatever guy.

Baylor over Flip was 100000x worse. But Brad picked Hugo so who cares

Brad still had thye 32nd pick after getting Hugo in the Brad. Brad trading out of number 32. Ryan Kalkbrenner was still there. I love Brad but was pissed at that move. He moved down and got Shulga and Amari.

We'll see. Kalk might be something, but he was getting toasted pretty bad against Philly the other night. I don't really see it with him, he'll probably be an ok backup, but nothing special

True, but he is still a rookie. He will get stronger. Remember, up until 2 years ago, Kornet spent more time on the floor than a mop. The Australians worked with him and got him stronger, the last 2 seasons.

I don't think the chances of Kalkbrenner being more than an solid back up center will be high. But he could be one of those work workers and puts in the time.

[Bar Fight]

[Ed Pinkney]

Stupid injuries and punitive second apron rules killing a good/great roster.

[Fierce1]

This is on Brad now.
How this team moves forward will depend on what Brad and the owners decide.

Those who were thinking Tatum is not a franchise player, look at the team now.
Not only do the Cs miss his ability to run the team, his rebounding is also sorely missed.

The Cs have the personnel to be competitive.
But Joe is going with seniority, like PP and Sam over the young, bigger, and more athletic players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.
So as long as Joe is going with a soft lineup, with Sam and PP, the Cs will lose a lot of games.

Simons is not being used properly because Joe has him behind PP on the depth chart.
It's time for Brad to trade Simons for a player with a lower salary.
We can see Simons can score, even with limited playing time and shot attempts.
He just doesn't fit in because of how Joe runs the team.

What now, Brad?

[Ed Pinkney]

And Tatum was probably the teams best rebounder. So there is that too.

[brackdan70]

0-3 teams that have made the playoffs…
Short list.

[tfribs45]

Said it in the Game Thread, this teams out of whack and in desperate need of an actual PG and BIG. PP is a sixth man not a starting PG/SG, solid start just not good enough to sustain the lead for four quarters. Disappointing effort on the boards, White has been bad since game 1, just the perfect storm really = 0-3

[bfchs123]

Losing Tatum is clearly massive, it's basically replacing his 35 minutes with Hauser and Boucher - a gap as wide as the Atlantic Ocean. We badly miss his rebounding and play making. His role as the #1 scorer also shifted JB / White / PP into their better fit roles as #2-#4 scorers.

Also seeing what all the criticism has been throughout his career on Simons. He's a microwave scorer but does very little else. Thought he would be a better playmaker but the guy has 5 assists total in 3 games in big minutes. Doubt he has much trade value aside from being an expiring - we're going have to package value to get a better player in that contract slot.

[Fierce1]

Losing Tatum is clearly massive, it's basically replacing his 35 minutes with Hauser and Boucher - a gap as wide as the Atlantic Ocean. We badly miss his rebounding and play making. His role as the #1 scorer also shifted JB / White / PP into their better fit roles as #2-#4 scorers.

Also seeing what all the criticism has been throughout his career on Simons. He's a microwave scorer but does very little else. Thought he would be a better playmaker but the guy has 5 assists total in 3 games in big minutes. Doubt he has much trade value aside from being an expiring - we're going have to package value to get a better player in that contract slot.

Yes, Brad would have to include a draft pick or two to move Simons.

Simons is a microwave scorer and nothing else is accurate because that's what he really is.

The question is why can't Joe maximize the potential of a microwave scorer?

For a team that needs offense, Joe doesn't seem to know how to use Simons properly.

[ryan in Maine]

This rebounding situation is embarrassing.

[Fierce1]

This could get worse before this gets better.

Next 2 games are against Pels and Cavs.

0-5 start coming.

[Homerclease]

Fair, thought he was shorter when I watched in college.

Still was not a believer in him and don't really think it's a loss to worry about. Maybe I'll be wrong, but he's just going to be a whatever guy.

Baylor over Flip was 100000x worse. But Brad picked Hugo so who cares

Brad still had thye 32nd pick after getting Hugo in the Brad. Brad trading out of number 32. Ryan Kalkbrenner was still there. I love Brad but was pissed at that move. He moved down and got Shulga and Amari.

We'll see. Kalk might be something, but he was getting toasted pretty bad against Philly the other night. I don't really see it with him, he'll probably be an ok backup, but nothing special

What you just described is a significant upgrade to any big the Celtics currently have on the roster.

[return2glory]

This is on Brad now.
How this team moves forward will depend on what Brad and the owners decide.

Those who were thinking Tatum is not a franchise player, look at the team now.
Not only do the Cs miss his ability to run the team, his rebounding is also sorely missed.

The Cs have the personnel to be competitive.
But Joe is going with seniority, like PP and Sam over the young, bigger, and more athletic players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.
So as long as Joe is going with a soft lineup, with Sam and PP, the Cs will lose a lot of games.

Simons is not being used properly because Joe has him behind PP on the depth chart.
It's time for Brad to trade Simons for a player with a lower salary.
We can see Simons can score, even with limited playing time and shot attempts.
He just doesn't fit in because of how Joe runs the team.

What now, Brad?

Tatum is a top 5-7 player in the league. You take away any type of player like that, that team is going to struggle. Take Joker off Denver, they are going to be a bad team. Take Giannis off the Bucks, they are going to be a bad team, take SGA off OKC, they are going to struggle. No one questions that here. But being said, Tatum will never win an NBA title, unless he is surrounded by talent like he had a few years ago. We don't win a NBA title without Brown, White, Jrue and Al that season.

[Fierce1]

This is on Brad now.
How this team moves forward will depend on what Brad and the owners decide.

Those who were thinking Tatum is not a franchise player, look at the team now.
Not only do the Cs miss his ability to run the team, his rebounding is also sorely missed.

The Cs have the personnel to be competitive.
But Joe is going with seniority, like PP and Sam over the young, bigger, and more athletic players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.
So as long as Joe is going with a soft lineup, with Sam and PP, the Cs will lose a lot of games.

Simons is not being used properly because Joe has him behind PP on the depth chart.
It's time for Brad to trade Simons for a player with a lower salary.
We can see Simons can score, even with limited playing time and shot attempts.
He just doesn't fit in because of how Joe runs the team.

What now, Brad?

Tatum is a top 5-7 player in the league. You take away any type of player like that, that team is going to struggle. Take Joker off Denver, they are going to be a bad team. Take Giannis off the Bucks, they are going to be a bad team, take SGA off OKC, they are going to struggle. No one questions that here. But being said, Tatum will never win an NBA title, unless he is surrounded by talent like he had a few years ago. We don't win a NBA title without Brown, White, Jrue and Al that season.

It was not so long ago that if you said Tatum is a top 5 player, you would be called "green glasses".

[31to6]

Losing Tatum is clearly massive, it's basically replacing his 35 minutes with Hauser and Boucher - a gap as wide as the Atlantic Ocean. We badly miss his rebounding and play making. His role as the #1 scorer also shifted JB / White / PP into their better fit roles as #2-#4 scorers.

Also seeing what all the criticism has been throughout his career on Simons. He's a microwave scorer but does very little else. Thought he would be a better playmaker but the guy has 5 assists total in 3 games in big minutes. Doubt he has much trade value aside from being an expiring - we're going have to package value to get a better player in that contract slot.

Yes, Brad would have to include a draft pick or two to move Simons.

Simons is a microwave scorer and nothing else is accurate because that's what he really is.

The question is why can't Joe maximize the potential of a microwave scorer?

For a team that needs offense, Joe doesn't seem to know how to use Simons properly.

takes time
has been 3 games
we used to have a poster who posted this a lot:

and it's a good place to try to spend some quality time this season

[Fierce1]

Losing Tatum is clearly massive, it's basically replacing his 35 minutes with Hauser and Boucher - a gap as wide as the Atlantic Ocean. We badly miss his rebounding and play making. His role as the #1 scorer also shifted JB / White / PP into their better fit roles as #2-#4 scorers.

Also seeing what all the criticism has been throughout his career on Simons. He's a microwave scorer but does very little else. Thought he would be a better playmaker but the guy has 5 assists total in 3 games in big minutes. Doubt he has much trade value aside from being an expiring - we're going have to package value to get a better player in that contract slot.

Yes, Brad would have to include a draft pick or two to move Simons.

Simons is a microwave scorer and nothing else is accurate because that's what he really is.

The question is why can't Joe maximize the potential of a microwave scorer?

For a team that needs offense, Joe doesn't seem to know how to use Simons properly.

takes time
has been 3 games
we used to have a poster who posted this a lot:

and it's a good place to try to spend some quality time this season

Maybe if Cs are winning games and Simons is struggling then I think that's considered "takes time".
But right now it's starting to look like the losses will be piling up.

It's not even how good the other team is.
If the other team is bigger, it's looking like an automatic loss for the Cs.

We'll see how Brad plays this out.

[31to6]

Yes, Brad would have to include a draft pick or two to move Simons.

Simons is a microwave scorer and nothing else is accurate because that's what he really is.

The question is why can't Joe maximize the potential of a microwave scorer?

For a team that needs offense, Joe doesn't seem to know how to use Simons properly.

takes time
has been 3 games
we used to have a poster who posted this a lot:

and it's a good place to try to spend some quality time this season

Maybe if Cs are winning games and Simons is struggling then I think that's considered "takes time".
But right now it's starting to look like the losses will be piling up.

It's not even how good the other team is.
If the other team is bigger, it's looking like an automatic loss for the Cs.

We'll see how Brad plays this out.

You're talking like GMs make lots of moves in October. They don't. They work all summer to set up the team, and Brad set up the team to
unquestionably #1: get under the second apron/save ownership $$
very likely #2: soft/stealth tank by having a historically weak frontcourt

Starting in December, there will be breathless anticipation of 'will they make a move before the trade deadline in February??' It's a virtual guarantee that nothing of consequence will happen until then.

Brad has set up the team to compete for a high lottery pick. I'm sure he's not stunned that they have lost to 2 playoff locks and a 3rd playoff hopeful. He's chilling. I mean, scouting draft prospects and checking with Joe etc. to make sure morale is okay, but chilling. In the meantime, Joe will work his tail off to get as much out of his new $27M undersized SG as he can -- but does it matter much? I don't think we should let it keep us up at night.

[Parliament10]

Brad still had thye 32nd pick after getting Hugo in the Brad. Brad trading out of number 32. Ryan Kalkbrenner was still there. I love Brad but was pissed at that move. He moved down and got Shulga and Amari.

We'll see. Kalk might be something, but he was getting toasted pretty bad against Philly the other night. I don't really see it with him, he'll probably be an ok backup, but nothing special

True, but he is still a rookie. He will get stronger. Remember, up until 2 years ago, Kornet spent more time on the floor than a mop. The Australians worked with him and got him stronger, the last 2 seasons.

I don't think the chances of Kalkbrenner being more than an solid back up center will be high. But he could be one of those work workers and puts in the time.

The thing with the #32 Pick, in 2025, is that Brad got 4 x 2nd Rounders for it.
After picking at #28, I think that Trading for 4 Picks was a better choice, at the time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/boston-celtics-nba-draft-trade-back-second-round-brad-stevens/

The Celtics traded the #32 pick to the Orlando Magic for the #46 and #57 picks, plus a 2026 second-round pick and a 2027 second-round pick. The Celtics used the #46 pick to draft Amari Williams and the #57 pick to select Max Shulga.

[doogie_hauser]

I'm not switching to Team Tank five days into the season. It's a long season. BUT:

The thing about fatal flaws is that you don't survive them

Brad might've earned this team a top 4 pick with his management of the bigs

And if so, well played, probably the right move. But there's a lot of season left so we'll see.

I suspect it was new ownership and the apron/luxury tax cba laws that were more responsible for the big man dearth we currently have tban Brad tbh.

I think we might have to face the facts we might be worse than we all thought this season.

Bur hey., at least Drake Maye and The Pats are cooking (if you like football)