Celts Lack Pizzazz, Can't Steal One From Jazz! Loss vs UTA 11/3

[ThePigeon]

The issue with being a lottery team is Brad's draft picks. I don't have confidence in him
We will get another Baylor or Shulga or a washed up player, or get a the 28 pick + 2 future seconds. That's because Brad think he is wiser than all the other GMs.
Take some lessons from Sam Presty please

Plus you will get disgruntled stars in JT and JB

We need to move Simons, Hauser and the plethora of non functional bigs. I'd even consider moving White if he continues to suck

Brad will make a move.

We just have to be patient.

We have Baylor - the Jazz have Filipowski. It could have been the opposite. And we needed a big. Multiple posters here pointed to Filipowski and Brad selected Baylor

Brad's assets are limited - Simons, Hauser (who has 1 good game to 5 bad ones - I love him but man I want him out of here) and maybe White. I don't see us getting the players we need from this bunch.

You sign players to minimum contracts - you get minimum players, so I don't expect much of this team (and I don't wake up in the middle of the night to watch them). Maybe Minott will amount to something

[itrsteve]

Doom and gloom or whatever but I really think this struggle time is going to pay huge dividends for those still on the team next season with Tatum back + whatever changes. There’s growth in all these losses for everybody besides Mazulla, he’ll continue to be whatever he is.

Also, been super impressed with Brown’s mid range game. Sure, he’s still a klutz dribbling or getting to the basket but he has shown incredible growth in that midrange dept when it’s time to get a bucket.

If nothing else, he’s going to be that much more of a weapon when he’s not the primary target and that trickles down the pecking order. It’s great that they got some extended time with this experience.

Losing by 1 point is perfect. We need more of those with some marquee game wins sprinkled here and there for morale.

[Shak_Celts]

Doom I tell you doom! It’s already over, we definitely can’t make the playoffs now! I’m with you guys, we are tanking!


Yeah, no!



Gloat all you guys want, call for the tanks, be happy!

[redslastlaugh]

Doom and gloom or whatever but I really think this struggle time is going to pay huge dividends for those still on the team next season with Tatum back + whatever changes. There’s growth in all these losses for everybody besides Mazulla, he’ll continue to be whatever he is.
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Losing by 1 point is perfect. We need more of those with some marquee game wins sprinkled here and there for morale.

Man, I'm not so sure. If we were using the games to experiment, try some different ideas on offense and defense, it'd have something to offer fans.

But it seems we've abandoned the concept of cutting Brad discussed preseason, we've abandoned the idea of pressure defense, and we are just not taking any chances or doing anything interesting in these games. It's still two in the corners, high screen, shoot as many 3's as possible. Starting the game 14-2 and then finishing the quarter in a one possession game after shooting 17 3pt attempts (3-17) it's like, "what are we doing?"

The one thing Brad talked about in his offseason pressers is we lost games 1 & 2 of the Knicks series because of being stagnant, and that this was going to be a gap year for us to try some new things. And then we shoot 17 3pt attempts in a first quarter, like there is nothing in the modern NBA MORE STAGNANT than this. 17 3pt attempts in a quarter is 68 attempts over 4 quarters which would be the most in Celtics history for a game, and I just don't understand what is good about this? Especially after what Brad said about why we lost the Knicks series?

I wish we would try some new things if we are going to lose anyway. Tonights game was boring to me. Oh well, Queta is getting better and Brown is out there trying hard...

[He_Got_Game]

The issue with being a lottery team is Brad's draft picks. I don't have confidence in him
We will get another Baylor or Shulga or a washed up player, or get a the 28 pick + 2 future seconds. That's because Brad think he is wiser than all the other GMs.
Take some lessons from Sam Presty please

Plus you will get disgruntled stars in JT and JB

We need to move Simons, Hauser and the plethora of non functional bigs. I'd even consider moving White if he continues to suck

Derrick White has been the worst player in the starting lineup all season. He has been horrid.

[ThePigeon]

Doom and gloom or whatever but I really think this struggle time is going to pay huge dividends for those still on the team next season with Tatum back + whatever changes. There’s growth in all these losses for everybody besides Mazulla, he’ll continue to be whatever he is.

Also, been super impressed with Brown’s mid range game. Sure, he’s still a klutz dribbling or getting to the basket but he has shown incredible growth in that midrange dept when it’s time to get a bucket.

If nothing else, he’s going to be that much more of a weapon when he’s not the primary target and that trickles down the pecking order. It’s great that they got some extended time with this experience.

Losing by 1 point is perfect. We need more of those with some marquee game wins sprinkled here and there for morale.

Who will you keep from the newcomers?
Hugo and Minott. That's it.
All other players can go.
Dollar store players. X is the dollar store version of Al (more like 1 cent), Boucher is the dollar store version of Porzingis, etc.

I want to see improvement. Brown improves a little, but he is a star in this league and finals MVP.
Queta, White, PP, Hauser should be better. Even Baylor should be better.
Joe also needs to develop. He should be better at X and O, especially at the end of the game. Also, ride the hot player. Reward players for good play with extended playing time.
8 games is too short but this team plays ugly right now

[Dave_From_NB]

Sitting there watching the first half, and thinking how wonderful it would be if they erased the three point line, if even for a game. If they wanted to make the in-season tournament interesting, or the all-star game interesting, that's what I would do. A missed 3 pointer has zero entertainment value, and we witnessed 62 of them in that game.

[jonige94]

Have the green teamers accepted that the best thing to do is tank or are they still delusional?

I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

[Fierce1]

Have the green teamers accepted that the best thing to do is tank or are they still delusional?

I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

So the 74 remaining games don't matter?

[Fierce1]

Guess if the Celts make the playoffs, the green teamers will be the ones saying, "I told you so!"

[Green89]

Hauser and Simons are one trick ponies. They either score or they are useless. Stevens should be open to moving either

The plan has been not to have Simons here past the deadline or at least let his expiring contract expire.

Hauser is more valuable when you have Tatum driving and dishing or when Tatum draws double teams. With Tatum not playing this season, it's going to be hard for guys like Hauser get open looks. Some people seem to forget how Tatum improved his ability to get teammates more involved and get them easier looks over the past 2 seasons.

Joe is tanking Simons' value, by playing him only 26mpg, and never in crunch time.

[Red2]

We could have hD filipowski but brad took
Baylor

[Red2]

We need size and brad keeps drafting wings andvguards

[Fierce1]

Hauser and Simons are one trick ponies. They either score or they are useless. Stevens should be open to moving either

The plan has been not to have Simons here past the deadline or at least let his expiring contract expire.

Hauser is more valuable when you have Tatum driving and dishing or when Tatum draws double teams. With Tatum not playing this season, it's going to be hard for guys like Hauser get open looks. Some people seem to forget how Tatum improved his ability to get teammates more involved and get them easier looks over the past 2 seasons.

Joe is tanking Simons' value, by playing him only 26mpg, and never in crunch time.

The whole NBA already know Simons' value.

Even with limited minutes, Simons is still averaging in double digits.

So I don't think Simons' value will be affected.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Hobbits might win in middle earth, but they will lose in real earth. We need size, we need length. As Red once said, you cannot teach those.

[Celts17Pride]

Have the green teamers accepted that the best thing to do is tank or are they still delusional?

I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

Celtics are too good to tank. I don’t even know what tanking means to the pro tank crowd. 13th, 14th pick?

[Larry_Russell]

People underestimated just how good Tatum is and how much he elevates everyone.


And is regards to White...at his best he is your 3rd option...not second.

[cl2117]

Does anybody else remember that janky-ass white wooden roller-coaster from Six Flags that was built in like the 1920's and was the slowest yet probably most dangerous ride they actually had there?

That ride is going to be the embodiment of this season.

Hard/rough course corrections from one night to the next, encouraging wins to baffling losses with limited rhyme or reason in between, kinda boring, slightly exciting, painful at points.

I've been impressed by JB this season so far. I thought a big story line this season was getting an answer to whether Brown can be a true #1 without Tatum around and he's faring better than I thought he would despite our record. I know he went 0-9 from 3 tonight but just overall if you gave us a marginally better front court I think he'd have led this team to a 5-3 record and that's pretty good for a team with Brown as your #1.

It'll be really interesting to see how Joe handles wing minutes going forward. I want to see more of Hugo. I know fans always want to see rookies earlier than they're ready but Hugo has that Euro seasoning which I feel like gives him an edge in terms of getting up to speed. Minott's been really interesting and I want to invest minutes and seeing what's there but Hugo's ceiling is just so much higher. Hopefully he feeds that duo and gives them long enough leashes to see if they can develop more.

Baylor I kind of want to send to Maine and say "you need to play like the MVP there and then we'll give you a shot". If he's not shooting 40% plus and/or contributing as a playmaker/facilitator (incredibly difficult for a non-rotation player) he's unplayable at the NBA level. Think he needs to prove it. Hugo/Walsh I think at least have the physical tools where they could theoretically contribute because of their athleticism if they can get out of their own ways. Baylor NEEDs the ball to go in to have value and I'm not even sure he can be effective at that at this level (let along G-League).

[The Corey's]

Have the green teamers accepted that the best thing to do is tank or are they still delusional?

I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

Celtics are too good to tank. I don’t even know what tanking means to the pro tank crowd. 13th, 14th pick?

This is silly.

Pick 14 has infinite more value than even pick 22.

They're not too good to tank. This is a 44 win team at best.

That's assuming brown is gonna tough it out and not take a month off in the middle of the season for his inevitable knee problems.

Tank doesn't mean lose on purpose. It means accept that this team is better off moving pieces around for the future than competing for first round playoff exit.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if last night wasn't the lowest point in the season, then it will be a very low season. I blame it on Brown who couldn't hit a three and was back to turning the ball over. Isn't he supposed to be a star? Last night he looked like Antoine Walker at Antoine's worst. Mr. empty trip.