Official Draft Thread 2015-16

Post #601 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:38 pm

Ingram is really coming along on both sides of the ball. If he keeps this up, Simmons wont be the lock #1

FakeScreenName123 · Post #602 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:39 pm

Question for the folks who would know (sorry if this was covered before)....

What holds Ingram back from being the number 2 guy behind Simmons? Besides lack of strength.

Post #603 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:39 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:Question for the folks who would know (sorry if this was covered before)....

What holds Ingram back from being the number 2 guy behind Simmons? Besides lack of strength.

I believe he is there already. Draftexpress has him at 2. His potential on both sides of the ball is really high

ddb · Post #604 » by **ddb** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:30 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:Question for the folks who would know (sorry if this was covered before)....

What holds Ingram back from being the number 2 guy behind Simmons? Besides lack of strength.

nothing. He is #2 right now. excellent talent. Simmons, Ingram, Dunn are my top 3. Dunn will drop some because he's a Junior. but he's a nice talent. Has a lot of Reggie Jackson in him.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #605 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:32 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
I believe he is there already. Draftexpress has him at 2. His potential on both sides of the ball is really high

ddb wrote:nothing. He is #2 right now. excellent talent. Simmons, Ingram, Dunn are my top 3.

I should've said, "Consensus #2". Or maybe he is already. I'm struggling to find a weakness with his game. Much like my guy Dragon Bender.

ddb · Post #606 » by **ddb** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:34 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I believe he is there already. Draftexpress has him at 2. His potential on both sides of the ball is really high

ddb wrote:nothing. He is #2 right now. excellent talent. Simmons, Ingram, Dunn are my top 3.

I should've said, "Consensus #2". Or maybe he is already. I'm struggling to find a weakness with his game. Much like my guy Dragon Bender.

give me Simmons or Ingram and I'm overjoyed as a Celtics fan

Post #607 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:35 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I believe he is there already. Draftexpress has him at 2. His potential on both sides of the ball is really high

ddb wrote:nothing. He is #2 right now. excellent talent. Simmons, Ingram, Dunn are my top 3.

I should've said, "Consensus #2". Or maybe he is already. I'm struggling to find a weakness with his game. Much like my guy Dragon Bender.

I dont know much about the international prospects. But when it comes to the college guys, Im pretty sure Ingram is looked at as the consensus #2. If he can continue his current play you will start to here talks about him at 1. Ive heard a lot about Bender and from what I hear its a lot of positives. Dunn seems like a really safe pick but I dont think his potential comes close to that of Simmons or Ingram

Homerclease · Post #608 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:49 pm

I'm curious to find out what the cost might be for the celtics to move up in the draft if the nets pick falls outside the top 2, say to 4 as an example. If any team that picks at 2 has a tier of men ranked behind Simmons and it's all close, would they move off that pick so the celtics could secure a guy like Ingram. He checks a lot of the boxes that the celtics are missing IMO. I know BfB isn't as high on him as many of us are, but as it stands now I feel this guy has the best chance to be the best "scorer" in the draft

Patsfan1081 · Post #609 » by **Patsfan1081** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:12 am

FakeScreenName123 wrote:Question for the folks who would know (sorry if this was covered before)....

What holds Ingram back from being the number 2 guy behind Simmons? Besides lack of strength.

Ingram struggle out of the gate, he wasn't shooting in fficiantly and was struggling with finishing at the basket. His defense has been there all season though. People get down on the freshman way too early. You have to expect most of them to struggle early, Winslow was a great example of this last season. You see the talent in guys like Brown and Ellison though, their shooting will come around as the season goes on.

pfm · Post #610 » by **pfm** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:49 am

Patsfan1081 wrote: Ingram struggle out of the gate, he wasn't shooting in fficiantly and was struggling with finishing at the basket. His defense has been there all season though. People get down on the freshman way too early. You have to expect most of them to struggle early, Winslow was a great example of this last season. You see the talent in guys like Brown and Ellison though, their shooting will come around as the season goes on.

Yup, not unreasonable at all for the freshman guys to struggle a bit early (big adjustment from HS) and I'd even give Ingram a bit more leeway as he's basically a year younger than many of the other top freshman. Really good to see him coming on. Looking forward to continuing to monitor him as he starts to go against stronger competition.

If his frame fills out as his shoulders suggest it could (and his father's size as someone pointed out earlier) he becomes REALLY interesting as a 3/4 guy. His outside shooting, as BfB pointed out, is key to him becoming lethal (and he's already showing positive signs there). If he can become a great shooter, he'll be a nightmare to guard on top of his great defensive potential.

Gant · Post #611 » by **Gant** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:42 pm

Is anyone familiar with Deyonta Davis? He recently jumped up 87 spots from oblivion to land at #14 on nbadraft.net's top 100. http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

Here's Bleacherreport on him:

Though he's been relatively quiet in the box scores, Deyonta Davis has managed to stand out under the NBA lens.

He looks the part of a pro power forward with 6'10", 245-pound size, bounce and soft hands. And though he spends most of his time in dunking position waiting around the baseline, he's given his guards a high-percentage target (62 percent from the field), as well as a team-leading 32 second-chance points (16 putbacks, per Hoop-Math.com.)

In doses, we've seen a jump hook and mid-range jumper. Davis is still raw and unpolished offensively, but he also just turned 19 years earlier this December.

In the meantime, he's grabbing 13.1 rebounds and blocking 5.1 shots per 40 minutes, showing a high activity level despite limited skills and touches.

Playing just 18.5 minutes through 11 games, Davis might not be ready to declare this upcoming June, but Denzel Valentine isn't the only Spartan who's going to attract NBA attention moving forward.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2599661-playing-stock-up-stock-down-with-top-2016-nba-draft-prospects/page/13

bucknersrevenge · Post #612 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:35 pm

Gant wrote:Is anyone familiar with Deyonta Davis? He recently jumped up 87 spots from oblivion to land at #14 on nbadraft.net's top 100. http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

Here's Bleacherreport on him:
Though he's been relatively quiet in the box scores, Deyonta Davis has managed to stand out under the NBA lens.

He looks the part of a pro power forward with 6'10", 245-pound size, bounce and soft hands. And though he spends most of his time in dunking position waiting around the baseline, he's given his guards a high-percentage target (62 percent from the field), as well as a team-leading 32 second-chance points (16 putbacks, per Hoop-Math.com.)

In doses, we've seen a jump hook and mid-range jumper. Davis is still raw and unpolished offensively, but he also just turned 19 years earlier this December.

In the meantime, he's grabbing 13.1 rebounds and blocking 5.1 shots per 40 minutes, showing a high activity level despite limited skills and touches.

Playing just 18.5 minutes through 11 games, Davis might not be ready to declare this upcoming June, but Denzel Valentine isn't the only Spartan who's going to attract NBA attention moving forward.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2599661-playing-stock-up-stock-down-with-top-2016-nba-draft-prospects/page/13

I was not up on him at all. I like him. Seems wiry strong, and athletic. 2nd jump is quick. Keeps his hands high in the post and goes up quickly. Gonna definitely have to keep my eye on him. There's a good foundation to work with there.

Gomes3PC · Post #613 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:45 pm

Gant wrote:Is anyone familiar with Deyonta Davis? He recently jumped up 87 spots from oblivion to land at #14 on nbadraft.net's top 100. http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

Here's Bleacherreport on him:
Though he's been relatively quiet in the box scores, Deyonta Davis has managed to stand out under the NBA lens.

He looks the part of a pro power forward with 6'10", 245-pound size, bounce and soft hands. And though he spends most of his time in dunking position waiting around the baseline, he's given his guards a high-percentage target (62 percent from the field), as well as a team-leading 32 second-chance points (16 putbacks, per Hoop-Math.com.)

In doses, we've seen a jump hook and mid-range jumper. Davis is still raw and unpolished offensively, but he also just turned 19 years earlier this December.

In the meantime, he's grabbing 13.1 rebounds and blocking 5.1 shots per 40 minutes, showing a high activity level despite limited skills and touches.

Playing just 18.5 minutes through 11 games, Davis might not be ready to declare this upcoming June, but Denzel Valentine isn't the only Spartan who's going to attract NBA attention moving forward.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2599661-playing-stock-up-stock-down-with-top-2016-nba-draft-prospects/page/13

Have had a chance to watch MSU a bunch this year. Davis is a smooth athlete - runs the floor with ease, has a good frame, and is a very quick jumper. Like all MSU bigs, hits the glass hard and plays good team defense. Zero game outside the paint but has great hands and can finish with authority.

He's likely a center at the next level but could be a very good one. Reminds me a bit of Amir Johnson honestly. Undersized but has great touch and uses his length/athleticism to offset the fact that he's not a 7-footer.

Gomes3PC · Post #614 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:40 pm

Another pair of guys to add to my watch list - Gary Payton II and Buddy Hield. Both are seniors so have to discount somewhat, but putting up silly stats. GP2 is posting a 16-9-5-3 line with 53%/40%/63% shooting, while Hield has a silly 34 PER and is hitting 50% from 3 on 6 attempts per game.

KJandHondo35 · Post #615 » by **KJandHondo35** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:29 pm

Love Ingram, he's got that "freak factor"

ddb · Post #616 » by **ddb** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:12 pm

KJandHondo35 wrote:Love Ingram, he's got that "freak factor"

100X's yes. Ingram is more Durant then Simmons is LeBron. I love both prospects for different reasons. Simmons could be 1st team all-NBA for years to come. Needs to improve his shot. Love the 6'10 Rondo with a good head comp. Ingram is basically a spitting image of Durant. If Durant was 40 years old I'd be convinced Ingram was his son.

Edug27 · Post #617 » by **Edug27** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:20 pm

ddb wrote:
KJandHondo35 wrote:Love Ingram, he's got that "freak factor"

100X's yes. Ingram is more Durant then Simmons is LeBron. I love both prospects for different reasons. Simmons could be 1st team all-NBA for years to come. Needs to improve his shot. Love the 6'10 Rondo with a good head comp. Ingram is basically a spitting image of Durant. If Durant was 40 years old I'd be convinced Ingram was his son.

Agree. Though my only concern with Ingram is that he doesn't seem to move as smooth and fluid for his size as KD does. He seems a bit awkward. But I still like him as the guy Boston gets in the draft.

ddb · Post #618 » by **ddb** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:31 pm

Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
KJandHondo35 wrote:Love Ingram, he's got that "freak factor"

100X's yes. Ingram is more Durant then Simmons is LeBron. I love both prospects for different reasons. Simmons could be 1st team all-NBA for years to come. Needs to improve his shot. Love the 6'10 Rondo with a good head comp. Ingram is basically a spitting image of Durant. If Durant was 40 years old I'd be convinced Ingram was his son.

Agree. Though my only concern with Ingram is that he doesn't seem to move as smooth and fluid for his size as KD does. He seems a bit awkward. But I still like him as the guy Boston gets in the draft.

I dont see the awkwardness honestly. He looks that way because of his length...he is deceivingly explosive. great dunks last night

Edug27 · Post #619 » by **Edug27** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:13 pm

ddb wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
100X's yes. Ingram is more Durant then Simmons is LeBron. I love both prospects for different reasons. Simmons could be 1st team all-NBA for years to come. Needs to improve his shot. Love the 6'10 Rondo with a good head comp. Ingram is basically a spitting image of Durant. If Durant was 40 years old I'd be convinced Ingram was his son.

Agree. Though my only concern with Ingram is that he doesn't seem to move as smooth and fluid for his size as KD does. He seems a bit awkward. But I still like him as the guy Boston gets in the draft.

I dont see the awkwardness honestly. He looks that way because of his length...he is deceivingly explosive. great dunks last night

Hmm.. Then maybe it's just me. Very Walter McCartyish.

DaddyCool19 · Post #620 » by **DaddyCool19** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:23 am

Who would you guys want to draft if the Nets start winning some meaningless games at the end of the season, while other teams who have their own picks go full tank mode.

Let's say the pick ends up as the 5th-7th pick and your own and Dallas' picks ends up between 16-20.

What would you consider a decent choice after guys like Simmons, Brown, Ingram and two of Dunn/Bender/Skal/Poeltl are gone. Use the other picks to trade up? Draft bpa?