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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#601 » by BakersDozen » Thu Jun 9, 2016 7:29 pm

165bows wrote:The egg on their face notwithstanding, wouldn't the Cavs prefer either AB or Crowder to Love at this point? Not saying this trade would happen, but looking at this Finals match up I don't see how Love is better for that team than either of those guys.


Seeing as how they started Richard Jefferson last night ...


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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#602 » by Fidel Sarcasmo » Thu Jun 9, 2016 7:33 pm

Love's value is getting demolished with this one playoff series here. His value was super high during the eastern conference playoffs when they were blowing through teams. It's funny how quick opinions change. If they get blown out of the water and Kevin Loves d exposes them to an ugly series loss here, You'll see Klove not even fetch a top 5 pick in the draft.

It's all about two way players now. Offense heavy/ Defense light guys are exposed in the playoffs. Same thing with Defensive heavy/offensive light players.
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Post#603 » by jfs1000d » Thu Jun 9, 2016 7:37 pm

Love is getting Boshed. Bosh was a terrific player who ended up third option. Same with Love.


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Post#604 » by Edug27 » Thu Jun 9, 2016 7:43 pm

jfs1000d wrote:Love is getting Boshed. Bosh was a terrific player who ended up third option. Same with Love.


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I'm sure Bosh wouldn't have changed any of it looking back at it....
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Post#605 » by Bohemian » Thu Jun 9, 2016 8:24 pm

Report: Celtics, Lakers Interested in Hassan Whiteside, Who is Expected to Get a Max Deal

The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers are expected to give the Miami Heat a run for its money at obtaining shot-blocking center Hassan Whiteside this July, according to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders:

The narrative around Whiteside has been that he’d like to stay in Miami. He’s comfortable there, has had success there and they can pay him the most money of any team in the league. Assuming that’s the offer from the HEAT, there is a better than average chance he signs a new deal. If the HEAT try to play games, sources close to the situation say Whiteside will go shopping.

There is a sense that Whiteside is one of the top names on the Lakers’ wish list of free agents, with the Celtics also interested. The problem with trying to peg either as having some edge over the other neglects that Whiteside could be the most obtainable free agent in the class and likely gets a lot of interest beyond those two suitors.
The Celtics, Lakers, and Heat all have the available money to sign a big-name free agent in July. All three known interested teams have their advantages: Boston and Los Angeles, two franchises known for having a rich history of successful big men such as Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O’Neal, and Kevin Garnett, provide two proven championship environments and a “top player” spot screaming Whiteside’s name. He’d be the focal point on those two teams. Both potential scenarios will certainly pique the interest of Whiteside in just three weeks.


http://defpen.com/celtics-lakers-interested-hassan-whiteside-max-deal/
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Post#607 » by 165bows » Thu Jun 9, 2016 8:44 pm

Bohemian wrote:Report: Celtics, Lakers Interested in Hassan Whiteside, Who is Expected to Get a Max Deal

The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers are expected to give the Miami Heat a run for its money at obtaining shot-blocking center Hassan Whiteside this July, according to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders:

The narrative around Whiteside has been that he’d like to stay in Miami. He’s comfortable there, has had success there and they can pay him the most money of any team in the league. Assuming that’s the offer from the HEAT, there is a better than average chance he signs a new deal. If the HEAT try to play games, sources close to the situation say Whiteside will go shopping.

There is a sense that Whiteside is one of the top names on the Lakers’ wish list of free agents, with the Celtics also interested. The problem with trying to peg either as having some edge over the other neglects that Whiteside could be the most obtainable free agent in the class and likely gets a lot of interest beyond those two suitors.
The Celtics, Lakers, and Heat all have the available money to sign a big-name free agent in July. All three known interested teams have their advantages: Boston and Los Angeles, two franchises known for having a rich history of successful big men such as Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O’Neal, and Kevin Garnett, provide two proven championship environments and a “top player” spot screaming Whiteside’s name. He’d be the focal point on those two teams. Both potential scenarios will certainly pique the interest of Whiteside in just three weeks.


http://defpen.com/celtics-lakers-interested-hassan-whiteside-max-deal/


Ha awesome Miami blowing it in free agency would be great.
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Post#608 » by KumaJG » Thu Jun 9, 2016 11:38 pm

jfs1000d wrote:Love is getting Boshed. Bosh was a terrific player who ended up third option. Same with Love.


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Bosh plays defense. Love is soft as baby ****.
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The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#609 » by OFWGKTA » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:54 am

Bohemian wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:Man, this can't spell good things for Kevin Love and his ever disintegrating reputation.


Cavs get signed Ryan Anderson and 16, Celtics get Love, Pelican's get one of the seconds.


Apparently we could get Ryan Anderson as a FA for much less money and similar production hahaha


Ehh Love's still a much better player, give him a few pounds and an offensive role that plays to his strengths and he'd be a stud again.

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Post#610 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:20 am

Whiteside would be an interesting day 1 max offer. He's so flawed, though.

Also, Bradley+Amir/23 for Love after the finals is an interesting thought experiment. I feel like Love is being Boshed and Hibberted at the same time, though. It's his psyche I worry about.
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Post#611 » by Mr Loggins » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:37 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:
Bohemian wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:
Cavs get signed Ryan Anderson and 16, Celtics get Love, Pelican's get one of the seconds.


Apparently we could get Ryan Anderson as a FA for much less money and similar production hahaha


Ehh Love's still a much better player, give him a few pounds and an offensive role that plays to his strengths and he'd be a stud again.

Edit: excuse my drunkness, STUD*



exactly -

Put pretty much any player in the NBA on a team with two high usage guys liek LeBron and Kyrie, and see what happens...
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Post#612 » by FakeScreenName123 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:03 pm

http://deadspin.com/sideline-reporter-gets-pretty-racist-on-barstool-sports-1781727626


^swear it, I always suspected she sucked. She was terrible at her job here, too. IMHO. Not sure she even liked basketball.
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Post#614 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:24 pm

Thomas clamors for a Team USA invite. Is he the best player not invited? Have to check the lists.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/06/boston_celtics_isaiah_thomas_w.html
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#615 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:36 pm

165bows wrote:Thomas clamors for a Team USA invite. Is he the best player not invited? Have to check the lists.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/06/boston_celtics_isaiah_thomas_w.html

Lowry, Millsap, Whiteside, Kemba (depends where you land on who's better). Are all 4 US citizens?

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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#616 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:39 pm

Bohemian wrote:Report: Celtics, Lakers Interested in Hassan Whiteside, Who is Expected to Get a Max Deal

The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers are expected to give the Miami Heat a run for its money at obtaining shot-blocking center Hassan Whiteside this July, according to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders:

The narrative around Whiteside has been that he’d like to stay in Miami. He’s comfortable there, has had success there and they can pay him the most money of any team in the league. Assuming that’s the offer from the HEAT, there is a better than average chance he signs a new deal. If the HEAT try to play games, sources close to the situation say Whiteside will go shopping.

There is a sense that Whiteside is one of the top names on the Lakers’ wish list of free agents, with the Celtics also interested. The problem with trying to peg either as having some edge over the other neglects that Whiteside could be the most obtainable free agent in the class and likely gets a lot of interest beyond those two suitors.
The Celtics, Lakers, and Heat all have the available money to sign a big-name free agent in July. All three known interested teams have their advantages: Boston and Los Angeles, two franchises known for having a rich history of successful big men such as Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O’Neal, and Kevin Garnett, provide two proven championship environments and a “top player” spot screaming Whiteside’s name. He’d be the focal point on those two teams. Both potential scenarios will certainly pique the interest of Whiteside in just three weeks.


http://defpen.com/celtics-lakers-interested-hassan-whiteside-max-deal/

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Post#617 » by BakersDozen » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:51 am

24 teams can sign a max player. Thats not good for us


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Post#618 » by Homerclease » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:53 am

Would love Whiteside here, plugs 2 major holes right away and is certainly young enough to fit into any long term plans. Needs a lot of work with his passing and screen setting but his rebounding and rim protection would be welcome additions here
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Post#619 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:38 am

Starting to think the best play is trading the 3 for Love. If Cleveland loses in the finals, they'll have to admit they're done. Do it immediately- Amir/Jerebko/3 for Love. The 3 gives them a chance to add Dunn, Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray, or even Bender (they'd probably take Hield), or work the trade market for themselves with a lotto pick.

But Love is wasted there, he bogs everything down, they're never going to rebuild the offense with him in a primary role. Kyrie/Lebron is enough scoring, Tristan is enough rebounding, they can add a sharp-shooting 2 like Murray as a third option, or a poor man's Wiggins, or try to trade the pick for a center that fits their system.

We're gambling Love is redeemable, both psychologically and offensively- his defense was improving this year, he's still a young guy. Thinking about how long it took Pierce to fill the holes in his game, learn offensive discipline, up his shooting percentages, cut down on turnovers. Let Love do his thing on his side of the floor, work with him to get more versatile offensively over time, work on his defense.

See if you can trade Olynyk for a center like Nerlens, but if not, we're going into free agency with major momentum, either to sign Durant outright and work around the margins for more help (you can re-up Sullinger in that case and trade him later), to max Whiteside, or to gamble on Harrison Barnes.

IT/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Crowder/Turner/Young
Love/Sullinger/Mickey
Zeller/Olynyk

is the worst case scenario, plus we have picks at 16, 23, 31, 35.

Starting to make the most sense. Cleveland has to admit they made a mistake and move on before it gets worse. We can play around with projecting Jaylen Brown's upside and Okafor's upside, or we can add a guy who can be 20-12 off the leash immediately, bring him into form on both sides of the ball, and add major talent around him.
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#620 » by Edug27 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:44 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Whiteside would be an interesting day 1 max offer. He's so flawed, though.

Also, Bradley+Amir/23 for Love after the finals is an interesting thought experiment. I feel like Love is being Boshed and Hibberted at the same time, though. It's his psyche I worry about.


I don't get the Love craze. From the 3 pick to Bradley.. I don't think he makes us a significantly better team. Big name sure. But not a big upgrade.

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