Gordon Hayward Thread

[K For Three]

Hayward is a very good basketball player....but he definitely has a conscious. What I mean by that is he doesn't strike me as the type of player that can miss a few shots, forget about it and then knock down the 4th. He seems to think too much out there, very cerebral in his approach which at times can work against him as a player.
Especially, coming off the bench.

What's happening is if he misses his first couple shots, or if he turns it over, because of the depth and talent he has around him he starts playing way too conservative and defers to his teammates.
Guys like Kyrie, Morris, Tatum....they will keep shooting and staying aggressive. Tatum in particular has had many games where he seems like he can't hit the broad side of a barn for 3 quarters, and then goes out and drops 14 in the 4th.
I want to see Hayward realize that he is Gordon Mother **** Hayward. He is a bad man when he stays aggressive and gets it going.
There should be more nights like up in Minny in Gordon's future. He has shown us it's in him post-injury. It's not like he hasn't played well because he has.
I just don't like his conscious as a player.
Get after it Gordon!!!

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Those guys can afford to stay aggressive too and keep shooting since they take A LOT more shots. Kyrie takes the most in the majority of games and then Tatum and Morris take the most. When those 3 can all score well we are a tough team to beat.

Al would be the next one up with shooting but he doesn't go crazy with it. Slowly roles are being more defined on this team but people seem unsettled still since Gordon and Jaylen (who were expected starters entering the year) are so blah. I don't think Terry is a problem since he is still the cute backup and team guy and people seem to really like having him around.

Outside of the game in Minnesota, I don't think the team has really fed Gordon to have a big game. But maybe behind closed doors they know more then we do? He simply might not be ready right now......

Although I do find it interesting that Kyrie said early in the year when his shot was cold and he was rusty that the coaches and team told him to keep shooting and to just keep doing it. They wanted him to shoot his way out of his slump I was guessing.

My only guess is Gordon decided weeks ago to take a more passive role for the team; for his body or his mind I don't know but Marcus Morris GLADLY took that spot up front and seems to really enjoy it more LOL. I don't think Gordon wanted to also feel responsible for losses, he's technically the new guy on the team based on missing all of last year.

You aren't wrong though......some guys just seem a lot more aggressive minded and want theirs. Gordon seems more passive then I had even imagined he would be? I never watched Gordon with Utah enough. Based on highlights though he used to dunk and he used to move around a lot faster then I imagined he did.

Gordon isn't really costing us any games though IMO but you could argue down the road we will need him to become an X factor in the playoffs.

Gordon was great in Utah.

Wasn't he always mainly the #1 option in Utah though? The system was built a lot around him?

Now here there is not much built around him at all. In fact GH, JB and TR are kind of the **** trio sandwich. They sort of just aimlessly go out there flapping their arms around hoping something happens.

I mean I never seen this before. What I mean is I never seen such bright talented players become utterly so useless at times. It utterly flummoxes me.

I am not even upset either, I am seriously perplexed.

[fallguy]

Brown is coming around. Hayward is still months away. Rozier is useless.

[colaroaster]

@30M per/season gordo's avg 4pts less this year vs career avg. an absolute albatross of a signing thankfully there's only 2 yrs remaining, maybe danny can bundle a first rd pick and get his ass out-of-town for someone who can hoop. hopefully tomorrow he'll have a nice hair day, seems as though he cares more about his beautiful hair than his jump shot. i'm done defending this geriatric.

[darylbe]

Rozier is way way way worse then Gordon has been at any time this season. Like way WAY WAY MOTHER F'ING way worse.

the difference is like 90M$

[cloverleaf]

Brown is coming around. Hayward is still months away. Rozier is useless.

Eh, Brown last night tried to use his sore hand from his fall on 11/24 as an excuse for his putrid play from the preseason on--saying it's been bothering him for "a month and a half or so".

His shooting is largely still back to the level of his college days, his feel for the game still deficient, and his aggression, D and success up and down.

Rozier has just fallen off the edge of the earth.

[Banks2Pierce]

Ya so basically this contract is just going to be a load of crap. PG was an all star the following season after his injury. GH moves around like a log, and immediately passes the ball off to whoever. It's Gunna screw us, almost as bad as Brad giving the loser minutes

You seem to be misplacing your anger. You should be mad at the injury, yet you seem to be mad at Gordon and Brad. Weird. He was worth the contract and then got injured and now it's up in the air whether he will be good again.

[yazfan]

Something seems strange re: Hayward.

So Kyrie tells him to be more agressive, he drops 30 BUT takes more shots and has much more playmaking in tyhat game.

Ever since he seems as though Stevens does not have him as part of the offense. Maybe they are trying to showcase others for trades now that they know Hayward will be fine ? I do not know but Stevens is having a real bad year.

Kyrie also is a very high maintenance player. Another team meeting in the locker room yesterday, Gets old. I would hate to have to work with someone like that regardless of talent.

[darylbe]

Ya so basically this contract is just going to be a load of crap. PG was an all star the following season after his injury. GH moves around like a log, and immediately passes the ball off to whoever. It's Gunna screw us, almost as bad as Brad giving the loser minutes

You seem to be misplacing your anger. You should be mad at the injury, yet you seem to be mad at Gordon and Brad. Weird. He was worth the contract and then got injured and now it's up in the air whether he will be good again.

He was injured, it sucks, yes. But it's over a year removed from the injury and Stevens is giving him entirely too many minutes where he **** the bed, so that's where we can have anger with the coach and player. What are we Gunna deal with 2 years of "those shots will start to fall"?

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Maybe Hayward will be a guy that has a positive plus minus (since this is a huge deal on here) will grab some boards and make some passes but at this point the Hayward we could have gotten is dunzo thanks to Crowder.

[shawn unkempt]

Something seems strange re: Hayward.

So Kyrie tells him to be more agressive, he drops 30 BUT takes more shots and has much more playmaking in tyhat game.

Ever since he seems as though Stevens does not have him as part of the offense. Maybe they are trying to showcase others for trades now that they know Hayward will be fine ? I do not know but Stevens is having a real bad year.

Kyrie also is a very high maintenance player. Another team meeting in the locker room yesterday, Gets old. I would hate to have to work with someone like that regardless of talent.

Hayward has plenty of opportunities but defers to others instead of attacking. It's getting really old. I'm starting to open up to the idea of a salary dump and moving on if the rest of the season plays out like this.

[truth18]

I still irrationally blame this dude.

[Edug27]

Something seems strange re: Hayward.

So Kyrie tells him to be more agressive, he drops 30 BUT takes more shots and has much more playmaking in tyhat game.

Ever since he seems as though Stevens does not have him as part of the offense. Maybe they are trying to showcase others for trades now that they know Hayward will be fine ? I do not know but Stevens is having a real bad year.

Kyrie also is a very high maintenance player. Another team meeting in the locker room yesterday, Gets old. I would hate to have to work with someone like that regardless of talent.

Hayward has plenty of opportunities but defers to others instead of attacking. It's getting really old. I'm starting to open up to the idea of a salary dump and moving on if the rest of the season plays out like this.

I think Hayward finishes the season coming off the bench and looking like the same washed player he’s been looking like all season. Then he’ll be back in the starting lineup come next season.. and it’ll be a big year for him being a year removed from rehab. This season is all about learning to hold your head up, sit up, crawl, walk, and then run. No excuses come next year.

[Banks2Pierce]

No excuses come next year.

Well, there still would be due to the whole foot pointing in a different direction thing. Livingston was going to be a multiple all star and turned into just a guy. Maybe that will be Gordon's journey.

[ddb]

Not worried about Hayward.

How could you not be? He looks like he doesn't even care out there. Same set Everytime, he takes the ball top of the key, hands it off or passes. Every single time. It's either that or he's standing in the corner

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[ddb]

Those guys can afford to stay aggressive too and keep shooting since they take A LOT more shots. Kyrie takes the most in the majority of games and then Tatum and Morris take the most. When those 3 can all score well we are a tough team to beat.

Al would be the next one up with shooting but he doesn't go crazy with it. Slowly roles are being more defined on this team but people seem unsettled still since Gordon and Jaylen (who were expected starters entering the year) are so blah. I don't think Terry is a problem since he is still the cute backup and team guy and people seem to really like having him around.

Outside of the game in Minnesota, I don't think the team has really fed Gordon to have a big game. But maybe behind closed doors they know more then we do? He simply might not be ready right now......

Although I do find it interesting that Kyrie said early in the year when his shot was cold and he was rusty that the coaches and team told him to keep shooting and to just keep doing it. They wanted him to shoot his way out of his slump I was guessing.

My only guess is Gordon decided weeks ago to take a more passive role for the team; for his body or his mind I don't know but Marcus Morris GLADLY took that spot up front and seems to really enjoy it more LOL. I don't think Gordon wanted to also feel responsible for losses, he's technically the new guy on the team based on missing all of last year.

You aren't wrong though......some guys just seem a lot more aggressive minded and want theirs. Gordon seems more passive then I had even imagined he would be? I never watched Gordon with Utah enough. Based on highlights though he used to dunk and he used to move around a lot faster then I imagined he did.

Gordon isn't really costing us any games though IMO but you could argue down the road we will need him to become an X factor in the playoffs.

Gordon was great in Utah.

Wasn't he always mainly the #1 option in Utah though? The system was built a lot around him?

Now here there is not much built around him at all. In fact GH, JB and TR are kind of the **** trio sandwich. They sort of just aimlessly go out there flapping their arms around hoping something happens.

I mean I never seen this before. What I mean is I never seen such bright talented players become utterly so useless at times. It utterly flummoxes me.

I am not even upset either, I am seriously perplexed.

Which is a major problem. He's a max guy. If he's not a featured player then it's dead weight.

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[CelticsPride18]

Maybe Hayward will be a guy that has a positive plus minus (since this is a huge deal on here) will grab some boards and make some passes but at this point the Hayward we could have gotten is dunzo thanks to Crowder.

Why do people keep blaming Crowder?? It was a basketball play in a high intensity game. **** happens it sucks that he got hurt but it’s not Crowder fault and don’t even like Crowder.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Maybe Hayward will be a guy that has a positive plus minus (since this is a huge deal on here) will grab some boards and make some passes but at this point the Hayward we could have gotten is dunzo thanks to Crowder.

Why do people keep blaming Crowder?? It was a basketball play in a high intensity game. **** happens it sucks that he got hurt but it’s not Crowder fault and don’t even like Crowder.

Crowder gave Hayward a little extra because he was still upset people were cheering for Hayward during that Utah game.

[cloverleaf]

Maybe Hayward will be a guy that has a positive plus minus (since this is a huge deal on here) will grab some boards and make some passes but at this point the Hayward we could have gotten is dunzo thanks to Crowder.

Why do people keep blaming Crowder?? It was a basketball play in a high intensity game. **** happens it sucks that he got hurt but it’s not Crowder fault and don’t even like Crowder.

It was a little too coincidental for my taste.

[Edug27]

No excuses come next year.

Well, there still would be due to the whole foot pointing in a different direction thing. Livingston was going to be a multiple all star and turned into just a guy. Maybe that will be Gordon's journey.

Well, what I meant is that there is still hope that he can be a top notch player going forward because he has an excuse. He’s currently working his way back into form. This whole year can be seen as “knocking the rust off and regaining trust on that ankle”. Come next year, if he’s still blah, then that’s most likely the player he will be going forward.

[jcappy]

@30M per/season gordo's avg 4pts less this year vs career avg. an absolute albatross of a signing thankfully there's only 2 yrs remaining, maybe danny can bundle a first rd pick and get his ass out-of-town for someone who can hoop. hopefully tomorrow he'll have a nice hair day, seems as though he cares more about his beautiful hair than his jump shot. i'm done defending this geriatric.

Gordon averaged 20.5 points per game in his last 3 years before signing here. This year that number is 10 per game. So, for all practical purposes, he is scoring 10 points less, not 4.

I don't know whether he will step in up by the playoffs, but he doesn't exactly look like a force out there on the court. He looks like the bench player he has become.