The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[Floody100]

Screw Kyrie, sign Cedi Osman to the max !

[VeryMuchWoke]

Why don't we ever talk about what's going to happen with our best player (Al Horford) next year?

[Jaqua92]

This team is a first round exit if Kyrie leaves. No doubt about it

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[Jaqua92]

Why don't we ever talk about what's going to happen with our best player (Al Horford) next year?

Maybe cause he is mature adult, and we feel he will take a cut to stay. Don't know.

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[CeltsfaninDC]

This team is a first round exit if Kyrie leaves. No doubt about it

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Absolutely.
Have we all so quickly forgotten how great he has been and can be? He is an elite player and not one that we can replace in this market. He appears to be incredibly frustrated with his play which, I believe, is a good sign. He is frustrated because he wants to win. If he wasn’t then I’d worry. He is having his worst stretch of the year at the worst time, but after he signs and we get another top 15 player to match him up with we will all forget about this anomaly.

[MagicBagley18]

The only support kyrie needs is from Danny Ainge and he has it. Ainge will offer him a 5 year max the second he can. If he signs then we try for AD. The roster is going to be completely different due to free agents and trades whether it’s AD or someone else.

Kyrie sucked in the buck series big time. He talked big and he failed to back it up- that being said the path to a ring is easier with him than without. He’s been a diva to the media all year and he lacks self awareness big time but I’d rather have him and AD or him with players that fit better with him than many of the alternatives I see being offered here.

I feel the same way. Here's how I see it, if Kyrie stays here, we are going to trade for Davis. If that's the case then he will put together a team that fits with Kyrie and Davis. like it or not, that's our best path to a title. And winning a championship is what's important above ALL else. As far Kyrie being a teamwrecker, the idea is that he would be fine with a team built around him.

Has Kyrie been annoying? yes. Has he been a scummy person? yes. A bad leader? Yes. Bad teammate? Yes. All of the above. but the thing is, I am totally over the series. I'm more looking forward to the opportunity of watching Milwaukee beat the Raptors and giving golden state of fight and I am game 5. But that said, I don't care how bad Kyrie's behavior is! It has nothing to do with me. He's not doing anything to me, I have no relationship with the guy. If getting AD and building around him and Kyrie is the easiest path to a title, I'm all for it. Sucks what he did to this team, but this team isn't winning.

That said, if he leaves, I won't care either. I feel lots of us are taking Kyries antics personally. It's irritating to see that, but can we win a championship any other way in the next 5 years?

No. So yeah, go all in on Kyrie and AD. Hope that keeps him happy.

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Giannis is a FA in 2021 and if we land him we could absolutely win a title the following year. KI leaving would be a set back but not the end of the world. He's an allstar not an MVP candidate.

Giannis isn’t coming here. Trying to deal with real possibilities. IF Giannis ever left it would be after the next extension. Not happening in 2021 the bucks are a team on the rise that could be in the finals as soon as this year.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

With no Irving this is a 500 team at best and it sets the team back years.

What happened in the playoffs last year without Kyrie?

Celtics were something like 14-2 in games Kyrie didn't play in this year.

This is a tired old statement that just isn't true. Kyrie leaving is an addition by subtraction.

East wasn't as good last year as it was this year. It was great what they did last year but that roster would never ever win a championship you need talent.

As for the 14-2 record: I'm not going to go back and check every single game but you have to imagine the Celtics were deliberately resting Irving against weaker teams.

Problem with this team it's not built well or not gelling well. There's way too many small forwards. Rozier has been off awful, Tatum didn't improve, Brown wasn't good for much of the year but he did improve and Hayward at this point is a complete zero. Morris has been better in the playoffs but he was horrible for probably five months of the season yet he kept starting.

Stevens needs to take responsibility for this and I guarantee if doc Rivers was here this would be a 55 win team.

Actually you know who Stevens reminds me of? Pete Carroll when he coached the Patriots. No matter how bad the Patriots played it's nothing but rainbows and sunshine from his mouth.

Talent wins in this league and you let Irving walk this will be at or below 500.

[chrisab123]

Why don't we ever talk about what's going to happen with our best player (Al Horford) next year?

Maybe cause he is mature adult, and we feel he will take a cut to stay. Don't know.

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He's leaving if this team isnt a contender. He can opt out and get a Milsap type deal. Leaving the Celtics with a pretty young roster. Can't wait for the tank brigade to come out of hibernation

[MagicBagley18]

With no Irving this is a 500 team at best and it sets the team back years.

What happened in the playoffs last year without Kyrie?

Celtics were something like 14-2 in games Kyrie didn't play in this year.

This is a tired old statement that just isn't true. Kyrie leaving is an addition by subtraction.

East wasn't as good last year as it was this year. It was great what they did last year but that roster would never ever win a championship you need talent.

As for the 14-2 record: I'm not going to go back and check every single game but you have to imagine the Celtics were deliberately resting Irving against weaker teams.

Problem with this team it's not built well or not gelling well. There's way too many small forwards. Rozier has been off awful, Tatum didn't improve, Brown wasn't good for much of the year but he did improve and Hayward at this point is a complete zero. Morris has been better in the playoffs but he was horrible for probably five months of the season yet he kept starting.

Stevens needs to take responsibility for this and I guarantee if doc Rivers was here this would be a 55 win team.

Talent wins in this league and you let Irving walk this will be at or below 500.

I agree with all of this. That playoff run was the worst thing to happen to us. It gave players and fans a false reality. As bad as kyrie was this season for chemistry that playoff run was also terrible.

Fans should really get over it- we played horrible competition and if we ever made the finals we would have gotten the doors blown off us worse than the cavs did to us in the ECF with IT.

[cloverleaf]

Yes, the East has got better since last season. But just as a player can make his teammates better, it appears there may be a player who makes his teammates worse -- and Kyrie just might be an example of that. There's only so much locker room discord and on-court hero ball that a team can handle.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

What happened in the playoffs last year without Kyrie?

Celtics were something like 14-2 in games Kyrie didn't play in this year.

This is a tired old statement that just isn't true. Kyrie leaving is an addition by subtraction.

East wasn't as good last year as it was this year. It was great what they did last year but that roster would never ever win a championship you need talent.

As for the 14-2 record: I'm not going to go back and check every single game but you have to imagine the Celtics were deliberately resting Irving against weaker teams.

Problem with this team it's not built well or not gelling well. There's way too many small forwards. Rozier has been off awful, Tatum didn't improve, Brown wasn't good for much of the year but he did improve and Hayward at this point is a complete zero. Morris has been better in the playoffs but he was horrible for probably five months of the season yet he kept starting.

Stevens needs to take responsibility for this and I guarantee if doc Rivers was here this would be a 55 win team.

Talent wins in this league and you let Irving walk this will be at or below 500.

I agree with all of this. That playoff run was the worst thing to happen to us. It gave players and fans a false reality. As bad as kyrie was this season for chemistry that playoff run was also terrible.

Fans should really get over it- we played horrible competition and if we ever made the finals we would have gotten the doors blown off us worse than the cavs did to us in the ECF with IT.

What people seem to forget is that this team was horrendous on the road winning just one game as well. I also don't recall the Celtics team ever losing a 7 game series after being up 2-0 (but I could be wrong about that)

That fake playoff run made the Celtics egos skyrocket especially Brown who pretty much guaranteed a finals appearance.

[jmr07019]

Giannis is a FA in 2021 and if we land him we could absolutely win a title the following year. KI leaving would be a set back but not the end of the world. He's an allstar not an MVP candidate.

Giannis isn’t coming here. Trying to deal with real possibilities. IF Giannis ever left it would be after the next extension. Not happening in 2021 the bucks are a team on the rise that could be in the finals as soon as this year.

“Real possibilities” followed by you claiming to know how things will unfold 2+ years from now lol. Allstars and MVP candidates leave their teams and they do it in their prime. Plan A should still be Irving and Davis. If Irving walks we should absolute target Giannis. Hayward and Horford are off the books by then. Danny obviously would need to do some work to pull it off. If not Giannis who? You gonna punt 4-5 seasons before you even try and compete?

[truth18]

This team is a first round exit if Kyrie leaves. No doubt about it

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A first round exit with an incredibly bleak future.

We have to keep Kyrie and get AD somehow or the rebuild was an abject failure. I'm patient but another five years of rebuilding is going to be **** lame, and I hope Zarren would stick around for that but who the **** knows at this point.

I won't lie, I think a lot of our players took a minor hit to their value this year and this postseason. I'm still confident that Kyrie will go where the money is (us) despite how this series has gone, but I hope Griffin is still down to make a reasonable deal with us when all is said and done. Ending up with Kyrie and some second tier star FA will suck if that's our plan b.

[StojkoVrankovic]

This team is a first round exit if Kyrie leaves. No doubt about it

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A first round exit with an incredibly bleak future.

We have to keep Kyrie and get AD somehow or the rebuild was an abject failure. I'm patient but another five years of rebuilding is going to be **** lame, and I hope Zarren would stick around for that but who the **** knows at this point.

I won't lie, I think a lot of our players took a minor hit to their value this year and this postseason. I'm still confident that Kyrie will go where the money is (us) despite how this series has gone, but I hope Griffin is still down to make a reasonable deal with us when all is said and done. Ending up with Kyrie and some second tier star FA will suck if that's our plan b.

Griffin getting Tatum/Brown/Filler/Picks is an absurd haul for AD

[GoCeltics123]

This team is a first round exit if Kyrie leaves. No doubt about it

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A first round exit with an incredibly bleak future.

We have to keep Kyrie and get AD somehow or the rebuild was an abject failure. I'm patient but another five years of rebuilding is going to be **** lame, and I hope Zarren would stick around for that but who the **** knows at this point.

I won't lie, I think a lot of our players took a minor hit to their value this year and this postseason. I'm still confident that Kyrie will go where the money is (us) despite how this series has gone, but I hope Griffin is still down to make a reasonable deal with us when all is said and done. Ending up with Kyrie and some second tier star FA will suck if that's our plan b.

It would be a failure but smart teams can bounce back from a FA loss, look at how quickly the Clippers bounced back after dismantling Lob City.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

This team is a first round exit if Kyrie leaves. No doubt about it

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A first round exit with an incredibly bleak future.

We have to keep Kyrie and get AD somehow or the rebuild was an abject failure. I'm patient but another five years of rebuilding is going to be **** lame, and I hope Zarren would stick around for that but who the **** knows at this point.

I won't lie, I think a lot of our players took a minor hit to their value this year and this postseason. I'm still confident that Kyrie will go where the money is (us) despite how this series has gone, but I hope Griffin is still down to make a reasonable deal with us when all is said and done. Ending up with Kyrie and some second tier star FA will suck if that's our plan b.

It would be a failure but smart teams can bounce back from a FA loss, look at how quickly the Clippers bounced back after dismantling Lob City.

What do you consider back though? An 8th seed getting bounced in the first round? Sure if Irving walks Celtics could very well be an 8th seed and lose in the first round next year.

In the NBA has no place worse to finish than the 6th 7th or 8th seed. You're out of the lottery and you're almost guaranteed to get bounced in the first round because in the NBA especially in the first round lower seeds very really beat higher seeds.

[GoCeltics123]

A first round exit with an incredibly bleak future.

We have to keep Kyrie and get AD somehow or the rebuild was an abject failure. I'm patient but another five years of rebuilding is going to be **** lame, and I hope Zarren would stick around for that but who the **** knows at this point.

I won't lie, I think a lot of our players took a minor hit to their value this year and this postseason. I'm still confident that Kyrie will go where the money is (us) despite how this series has gone, but I hope Griffin is still down to make a reasonable deal with us when all is said and done. Ending up with Kyrie and some second tier star FA will suck if that's our plan b.

It would be a failure but smart teams can bounce back from a FA loss, look at how quickly the Clippers bounced back after dismantling Lob City.

What do you consider back though? An 8th seed getting bounced in the first round? Sure if Irving walks Celtics could very well be an 8th seed and lose in the first round next year.

In the NBA has no place worse to finish than the 6th 7th or 8th seed. You're out of the lottery and you're almost guaranteed to get bounced in the first round.

I mean that they have the cap space now to get two stars, while being a decent team. They look a lot more appealing now than just a year ago.

[Froob]

I’m not sure if I want him or not, but if it’s only a 1+1 I think we gotta tell him to take a hike. Committ or don’t.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

It would be a failure but smart teams can bounce back from a FA loss, look at how quickly the Clippers bounced back after dismantling Lob City.

What do you consider back though? An 8th seed getting bounced in the first round? Sure if Irving walks Celtics could very well be an 8th seed and lose in the first round next year.

In the NBA has no place worse to finish than the 6th 7th or 8th seed. You're out of the lottery and you're almost guaranteed to get bounced in the first round.

I mean that they have the cap space now to get two stars, while being a decent team. They look a lot more appealing now than just a year ago.

Okay that's a very good point about the cap space. I suppose it remains to be seen if the clippers can sign someone though. I know there was talk of Leonard going there but now there even more talk of him staying.

[Froob]

A first round exit with an incredibly bleak future.

We have to keep Kyrie and get AD somehow or the rebuild was an abject failure. I'm patient but another five years of rebuilding is going to be **** lame, and I hope Zarren would stick around for that but who the **** knows at this point.

I won't lie, I think a lot of our players took a minor hit to their value this year and this postseason. I'm still confident that Kyrie will go where the money is (us) despite how this series has gone, but I hope Griffin is still down to make a reasonable deal with us when all is said and done. Ending up with Kyrie and some second tier star FA will suck if that's our plan b.

It would be a failure but smart teams can bounce back from a FA loss, look at how quickly the Clippers bounced back after dismantling Lob City.

What do you consider back though? An 8th seed getting bounced in the first round? Sure if Irving walks Celtics could very well be an 8th seed and lose in the first round next year.

In the NBA has no place worse to finish than the 6th 7th or 8th seed. You're out of the lottery and you're almost guaranteed to get bounced in the first round because in the NBA especially in the first round lower seeds very really beat higher seeds.

The Rockets were that team not long ago.