Let's talk Robert Williams

Kalela · Post #601 » by **Kalela** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:04 am

He is one of the best passers on the team but he hasn't had a real chance to show it since he barely plays either due to injury or Brad yanking him out after one mistake.

31to6 · Post #602 » by **31to6** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:30 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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So hot I have the vapors!
I don’t get how he jumps so quickly. I mean he never gets penalized for “gathering” on offense. And defensively he blocks a ton of shots without any gather, just reaches up and up with those arms.

You love to see it.

If Theis or Thompson miss any games this year we’ll see a lot of Rob, and then yes he needs to be ready to be The Guy (or replaced) next year.

Post #603 » by **djFan71** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:48 pm

31to6 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

Watch on YouTube

So hot I have the vapors!
I don’t get how he jumps so quickly. I mean he never gets penalized for “gathering” on offense. And defensively he blocks a ton of shots without any gather, just reaches up and up with those arms.

You love to see it.

If Theis or Thompson miss any games this year we’ll see a lot of Rob, and then yes he needs to be ready to be The Guy (or replaced) next year.

Scal commentary going into one of those clips against the Nets: "a little bit of trouble with the zone".... good thing that never came back to bite us in the playoffs.

Celts17Pride · Post #604 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:52 pm

Make or break year for the TimeLord. Hope he realizes this

Post #605 » by **sully00** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:12 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:Does anybody have a strong sense for how RobWill is away from the court? Party animal? Quietly lazy? Hard athletic worker?

I don't think I've ever seen him described as either a hard worker or a party animal, but maybe I missed something.

The real issue to me is the health. I don't think his role is limited by his ability it is limited by his availability. I don't think he has played more than 10 games in a row without having to sit out over an illness or an injury. I think Brad wants to go with him but you need that consistency to be able to trust guys and for their teammates to have comfort with playing with them. Especially because Williams skill set is so complimentary as far as his passing, switching on defense, weakside shot blocking, and ability to finish above the rim. But for those things to really be effective you have to be in there game after game not hear for 4 games and then out for 2 or 14 as it may be.

Gomes3PC · Post #606 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:02 pm

The health is a fair point, but as far as I understand he should be 100% for this season, right? With TT nursing an injury out of the gate, minutes are up for grabs for him.

hugepatsfan · Post #607 » by **hugepatsfan** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:31 pm

The Thompson signing definitely puts the pressure on him. He's our third center. I know Thompson/Theis could technically play PF but that seems unlikely to be features too heavily. Any "2 big" lineups they want to use seem much more likely to have Grant as the PF than one of the more natural 5s.

If Timelord wants to play he's going to have to really earn it. Theis/Thompson are no slouches, but neither is an all star either. If Timelord wants to be in a playoff team's rotation that's the type of player he needs to be. So asking him to outplay those guys is a fair expectation if that's what he wants to be.

Post #608 » by **Parliament10** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:33 am

Gomes3PC wrote:The health is a fair point, but as far as I understand he should be 100% for this season, right? With TT nursing an injury out of the gate, minutes are up for grabs for him.

With Thompson out. R. Williams is placed in the 2nd Center position.

hugepatsfan wrote:The Thompson signing definitely puts the pressure on him. He's our third center. I know Thompson/Theis could technically play PF but that seems unlikely to be features too heavily. Any "2 big" lineups they want to use seem much more likely to have Grant as the PF than one of the more natural 5s.

If Timelord wants to play he's going to have to really earn it. Theis/Thompson are no slouches, but neither is an all star either. If Timelord wants to be in a playoff team's rotation that's the type of player he needs to be. So asking him to outplay those guys is a fair expectation if that's what he wants to be.

This is his 3rd year. Time to make it or break it.

ConstableGeneva · Post #609 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:56 pm

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ConstableGeneva · Post #610 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:42 am

#ThisIsWhyWePlay

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Post #611 » by **darrendaye** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:46 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:#ThisIsWhyWePlay

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Saw this last night, adorable and great. Luckily for Rob though, she's still too young to criticize him for not closing out hard on Embiid's 3's.

ConstableGeneva · Post #612 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:14 pm

darrendaye wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:#ThisIsWhyWePlay

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Saw this last night, adorable and great. Luckily for Rob though, she's still too young to criticize him for not closing out hard on Embiid's 3's.

Hahaha she only knows her father disappeared off screen.

I don't mind those threes from Embiid. Let him take 'em. Better than him bodying Timelord up on the block. He does have to challenge Embiid's midrange shots though. Those Joel can make with regularity if you barely put your hand up.

I might be in the minority but I quite liked what I saw from our bigs last night. Well, at least from the Williams brothers. With Thompson and Theis both out, I thought we were going to get dominated inside. Grant in particular was good on both ends. The problem was our guards' inability to contain the ball esp on iso situations.

Post #613 » by **Bleeding Green** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:32 pm

I would never close out an Embiid 3. An Embiid 3 is the desired outcome for the defense.

cl2117 · Post #614 » by **cl2117** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:42 pm

What can't this dude get a longer leash?

I feel like it's pretty obvious that his minutes get restricted because of the mental mistakes he makes. He's got a long history of leaving his feet unnecessarily for shot fakes and I can hear Brad roll his eyes through the TV screen. I get it.

But he's got such potential and often is able to at least redeem himself within a couple of possessions. I don't think this strategy of pulling him after boneheaded plays is working when it comes to him getting that out of his game nor is it giving him the opportunity to make up for it.

With how we are playing as a team wouldn't it make more sense to give the higher upside players a chance to find their groove? I'm not trying to say that Timelord is going to figure it out over night or be our salvation, but I KNOW Tristan Thompson isn't going to be either. I'd love to see RW3 get a start with Theis out of the lineup.

Fencer reregistered · Post #615 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:58 pm

cl2117 wrote:What can't this dude get a longer leash?

I feel like it's pretty obvious that his minutes get restricted because of the mental mistakes he makes. He's got a long history of leaving his feet unnecessarily for shot fakes and I can hear Brad roll his eyes through the TV screen. I get it.

But he's got such potential and often is able to at least redeem himself within a couple of possessions. I don't think this strategy of pulling him after boneheaded plays is working when it comes to him getting that out of his game nor is it giving him the opportunity to make up for it.

With how we are playing as a team wouldn't it make more sense to give the higher upside players a chance to find their groove? I'm not trying to say that Timelord is going to figure it out over night or be our salvation, but I KNOW Tristan Thompson isn't going to be either. I'd love to see RW3 get a start with Theis out of the lineup.

If you want the Celtics to play well, win games, and develop guys for the future too, that should be Theis starting and Timelord coming off the bench, or vice versa. (Probably Timelord should start if and only if Kemba does, and I think Kemba should be Sixth Man.)

Fencer reregistered · Post #616 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:12 pm

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/2/19/22289851/robert-williams-insane-production-should-bigger-role-boston-celtics-daniel-theis-tristan-thompson has some of the Timelord numbers I've been looking at too. I continue to believe in the logic:

-- His individual numbers are very strong.
-- He also has a hard-to-quantify-individually effect of changing shots.
-- His team numbers are absurdly strong.
-- The previous two points outweigh the eye test's finding that he makes hard-to-quantify-individually defensive errors.

GrandTheftRondo · Post #617 » by **GrandTheftRondo** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:10 am

Brad just hates him. It’s ridiculous.

31to6 · Post #618 » by **31to6** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:54 am

This guy’s becoming a factor.
12/7/4/2 tonight, and none of those are assists:)
Still tantalizing after all these years!

themoneyteam2 · Post #619 » by **themoneyteam2** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:24 am

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I think you gotta just unleash him and give him 20+ mins a night. Live with his mistakes but that’s the only way he’s gonna develop. You can’t just keep playing him only 15 MPG.

If we had Bam we probably would’ve wasted him too and not developed him lol

zoyathedestroya · Post #620 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:18 pm

His combo of 3.5%+ steal percentage and 7.5%+ block percentage likely has only been done once or twice in NBA history, if that. Dunno if he'll be able to sustain it but this is freakish to say the least. Only looked through past 10 seasons, and no one with his current minutes has done it.

His ability to go low and extend his arms out to deflect pocket passes is something not a lot of bigs do. Imagine if we had KG mentoring this guy, jeez. He'll smack the bad habits out of Timelord.

Rob is a keeper. But I don't think the Cs would want to pay him what Miami paid Bam. Maybe they unleash him once he's signed to his rookie extension.