Buyout Thread: If Celtics get a player in buyout market, who would be cut?

[chrisab123]

How bad is IT right now? This guy should have been signed to take over for Wannamaker.

Wannamaker > IT. At almost everything. IT is a SLIGHTLY better 3 point shooter at this point. That's it.

And that is more an indictment of IT than a pro-brad stance, although i do think wannamaker has been, for the most part, serviceable.

I'd trade him for a 3 year old washing machine at this point. He's a worse NBA player than Shane Larkin was.

[5InOfLouisville]

How bad is IT right now? This guy should have been signed to take over for Wannamaker.

Wannamaker > IT. At almost everything. IT is a SLIGHTLY better 3 point shooter at this point. That's it.

And that is more an indictment of IT than a pro-brad stance, although i do think wannamaker has been, for the most part, serviceable.

I'd trade him for a 3 year old washing machine at this point. He's a worse NBA player than Shane Larkin was.

I'm not a huge Wanamaker fan or anything (if those even exist), but he is clearly better than IT by almost any metric

RPM -.51 > -2.64
RAPTOR -1.4 > -7
PER 12.3 > 11.7

EYE TEST Isaiah is washed. (subjective)

He's also better than Shane Larkin was.

I guess I'd have to see the washing machine make/model for comparison.

[chrisab123]

Wannamaker > IT. At almost everything. IT is a SLIGHTLY better 3 point shooter at this point. That's it.

And that is more an indictment of IT than a pro-brad stance, although i do think wannamaker has been, for the most part, serviceable.

I'd trade him for a 3 year old washing machine at this point. He's a worse NBA player than Shane Larkin was.

I'm not a huge Wanamaker fan or anything (if those even exist), but he is clearly better than IT by almost any metric

RPM -.51 > -2.64
RAPTOR -1.4 > -7
PER 12.3 > 11.7

EYE TEST Isaiah is washed. (subjective)

He's also better than Shane Larkin was.

I guess I'd have to see the washing machine make/model for comparison.

Maytag.

[Gant]

The return of Robert Williams is the midseason addition. He's effectively the buyout guy.

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[Curmudgeon]

LOL, quite a few NBA players who are not buyout candidates have more name than game.

[batabatuta]

IT maybe washed up but he sure has some fire in him left. He always has that leader gene in him and besides our bench sucks so what is there to lose really. I just thought maybe we could at least give him a chance to leave the game with a ring. He'd deserve that for what he has done for us.

[Darth Celtic]

IT was on a terrible team and Wannamaker plays on one of the best in the league, so you can't compare net ratings like that. As far as being a bad defender, the point of a bench scorer is not exactly defense. Do you think the Clippers expect Lou Will to play any D?? Yah, right. Not his role. Also, along with IT, Bradley Beal and Trae Young round out the top 3 worst defenders in the league. You going to tell me we wouldn't want either of those two other guys coming off our bench come playoff time, because of their bad D?

And if we play Semi 15mpg in the playoffs, we're ******. Whatever scorer is on the floor with him will be immediately double teamed. Good coaches will look for weak offensive players to leave and be able to trap/double the best scorers on the floor. Semi screams "leave me wide open" to any smart defender and opposing coach.

We have such short term memory here of playoff games we lost because of offensive lulls when bench players come into the game. We can't have offensively weak bench players. You saw how the Lakers crushed us when we trotted out the **** lineup in the 4th, and then how they doubld Tatum as soon as he came in. This is just a regular season game. We'll get that all playoff series long.

if you look at the rotations I posted and the only thing that comes out of it that playing IT at the PF spot over semi would be a net positive for us, I don't think there is any reason for us to talk basketball. Probably better to argue over the shape of the earth as that's more in question.

Maybe if these rotations you posted were even logical. Smart has only ever played over 30mpg once in a playoff series in his career (when he was at 32mpg) yet you have him pegged for 36. Semi played 5.7mpg in last year's playoffs and now this season, he's been utterly awful and is already behind Langford on the depth chart, but he's going to get 15mpg? Yah, totally realistic.

Smart is 5th on the team in MPG at 32 in the regular season.

last night in a playoff type game brad went with an 8 man rotation (semi played 1 min) and smart played 37 mins in a regulation length game. Granted Kemba was out, but it's crazy not to expect a tight 8 man rotation with heavy mins to the starters plus marcus in the playoffs. If it's semi, or grant, or wannamaker, doesn't matter, it will be one of them getting limited mins while the starters play heavy mins barring a blow out.

The only position where you won't see heavy mins by anyone is the center position, in fact if we do a 9 man rotation it will only be because we play 3 centers in a platoon effort in most games if Timelord is back.

And you don't want IT to come in and "score" points because he's doing it on a high volume of shots. Shots that will go to the remaining starters in the game. The reason our bench is low scoring, is we keep 2 scoring starters in the game at all times and when the bench comes in, they are role players. We don't have the 1 -2 dominant guys where we need a 6th man of the year scoring monster to come in and jack up shots. That would make us worse as a team, but look better in bench scoring.

I haven't looked but if you look at bench scoring vs the league our bench will be at or near the bottom, but if you look at our bench net rating, they are probably more towards the upper 3rd.

[Green89]

if you look at the rotations I posted and the only thing that comes out of it that playing IT at the PF spot over semi would be a net positive for us, I don't think there is any reason for us to talk basketball. Probably better to argue over the shape of the earth as that's more in question.

Maybe if these rotations you posted were even logical. Smart has only ever played over 30mpg once in a playoff series in his career (when he was at 32mpg) yet you have him pegged for 36. Semi played 5.7mpg in last year's playoffs and now this season, he's been utterly awful and is already behind Langford on the depth chart, but he's going to get 15mpg? Yah, totally realistic.

Smart is 5th on the team in MPG at 32 in the regular season.

last night in a playoff type game brad went with an 8 man rotation (semi played 1 min) and smart played 37 mins in a regulation length game. Granted Kemba was out, but it's crazy not to expect a tight 8 man rotation with heavy mins to the starters plus marcus in the playoffs. If it's semi, or grant, or wannamaker, doesn't matter, it will be one of them getting limited mins while the starters play heavy mins barring a blow out.

The only position where you won't see heavy mins by anyone is the center position, in fact if we do a 9 man rotation it will only be because we play 3 centers in a platoon effort in most games if Timelord is back.

And you don't want IT to come in and "score" points because he's doing it on a high volume of shots. Shots that will go to the remaining starters in the game. The reason our bench is low scoring, is we keep 2 scoring starters in the game at all times and when the bench comes in, they are role players. We don't have the 1 -2 dominant guys where we need a 6th man of the year scoring monster to come in and jack up shots. That would make us worse as a team, but look better in bench scoring.

I haven't looked but if you look at bench scoring vs the league our bench will be at or near the bottom, but if you look at our bench net rating, they are probably more towards the upper 3rd.

The problem is that bench net rating is in the regular season. You do not see coaches going all out with the same defensive strategies, when they're playing one team in a 7 game series. However many minutes you feel Semi or Brad W will get, it's one too many possessions where we will play into the other team's defensive scheme. They will leave open those non offensive players to double and trap our scorers. It becomes a huge liability when you don't have scorers on the floor in the playoffs. It's an area that has hurt us in the past.

While it doesn't have to be IT, we really do need someone capable of creating shots to eat up some bench minutes over our current non scoring threats. Regular season you can get by with anemic benches, but not so much in the playoffs. Every offensive possession counts and we've seen that playout too much in the past few playoff runs.

[Triple7]

IT maybe washed up but he sure has some fire in him left. He always has that leader gene in him and besides our bench sucks so what is there to lose really. I just thought maybe we could at least give him a chance to leave the game with a ring. He'd deserve that for what he has done for us.

We don’t owe IT anything. These guys are getting paid to play. It’s their job to work hard and earn their pay. Plus we don’t need his leadership. He would just disrupt chemistry because he would always want his. At least wanamaker would be fine getting benched at times.

[Darth Celtic]

Maybe if these rotations you posted were even logical. Smart has only ever played over 30mpg once in a playoff series in his career (when he was at 32mpg) yet you have him pegged for 36. Semi played 5.7mpg in last year's playoffs and now this season, he's been utterly awful and is already behind Langford on the depth chart, but he's going to get 15mpg? Yah, totally realistic.

Smart is 5th on the team in MPG at 32 in the regular season.

last night in a playoff type game brad went with an 8 man rotation (semi played 1 min) and smart played 37 mins in a regulation length game. Granted Kemba was out, but it's crazy not to expect a tight 8 man rotation with heavy mins to the starters plus marcus in the playoffs. If it's semi, or grant, or wannamaker, doesn't matter, it will be one of them getting limited mins while the starters play heavy mins barring a blow out.

The only position where you won't see heavy mins by anyone is the center position, in fact if we do a 9 man rotation it will only be because we play 3 centers in a platoon effort in most games if Timelord is back.

And you don't want IT to come in and "score" points because he's doing it on a high volume of shots. Shots that will go to the remaining starters in the game. The reason our bench is low scoring, is we keep 2 scoring starters in the game at all times and when the bench comes in, they are role players. We don't have the 1 -2 dominant guys where we need a 6th man of the year scoring monster to come in and jack up shots. That would make us worse as a team, but look better in bench scoring.

I haven't looked but if you look at bench scoring vs the league our bench will be at or near the bottom, but if you look at our bench net rating, they are probably more towards the upper 3rd.

The problem is that bench net rating is in the regular season. You do not see coaches going all out with the same defensive strategies, when they're playing one team in a 7 game series. However many minutes you feel Semi or Brad W will get, it's one too many possessions where we will play into the other team's defensive scheme. They will leave open those non offensive players to double and trap our scorers. It becomes a huge liability when you don't have scorers on the floor in the playoffs. It's an area that has hurt us in the past.

While it doesn't have to be IT, we really do need someone capable of creating shots to eat up some bench minutes over our current non scoring threats. Regular season you can get by with anemic benches, but not so much in the playoffs. Every offensive possession counts and we've seen that playout too much in the past few playoff runs.

you are making 0 sense again. The bench net rating won't change becuse it's the playoffs. In fact, the only bench players who play will be the best net rating guys who will spend even more time playing with the starters. I mean, anouncers are saying Boston has the best starting 5 in the NBA. Every year they say "that team is so deep". But that deep team doesn't matter because other teams play guys 38-40 mpg in the playoffs as they never play a back to back and no point in saving guys for others. All of a sudden that deep team who starters are just good, not great, but wins because of depth, gets pummeled in the playoffs.

Wannamaker makes 6.7ppg on 5 shots per game. IT averages 12.2ppg on 10.1 shots per game. Basically Wannamaker scores more effectively. He just doesn't jack up as many shots. He passes. Moves the ball, drives. And that's good, because that's 5 more shots per game for either JB/JT or Gordon who are WAY better at making them than Wannamaker and IT.

And if Wannamaker swiches a pick and roll and ends up on D Mitchell, i'm ok with and don't scream at the screen for a double team.

IN NO WAY AT ALL DOES IT MAKE US BETTER AS A TEAM! NONE! NOTHING!

[K For Three]

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LOL Danny just basically said "familiar names of the past" and saying shut up over IT.

Anyway as for the Wanamaker debate, nobody loves the guy and everyone seemed to have freaked out over the bad game vs. the Lakers.

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Of course I will stop talking now before I am told I am doing mental gymnastics, twisting myself into a pretzel and how I secretly desire to lose early in the playoffs.

[Bleeding Green]

Take that back, I love Wanamaker.

[K For Three]

Take that back, I love Wanamaker.

My dad actually is a big fan of his too. I should have clarified a few of you are out there.

[djFan71]

Take that back, I love Wanamaker.

My dad actually is a big fan of his too. I should have clarified a few of you are out there.

I love him as a 3rd stringer. Perfect size, attitude, toughness, can shoot. It's when he has to play 2nd string minutes that some of the flaws show. But, if he's our 2nd stringer, we have bigger problems. So, love him in the role he's supposed to play.

[chrisab123]

Take that back, I love Wanamaker.

Fine. I'm convinced. It would take a Maytag washing machine and dryer to trade him. Happy?

[Green89]

Smart is 5th on the team in MPG at 32 in the regular season.

last night in a playoff type game brad went with an 8 man rotation (semi played 1 min) and smart played 37 mins in a regulation length game. Granted Kemba was out, but it's crazy not to expect a tight 8 man rotation with heavy mins to the starters plus marcus in the playoffs. If it's semi, or grant, or wannamaker, doesn't matter, it will be one of them getting limited mins while the starters play heavy mins barring a blow out.

The only position where you won't see heavy mins by anyone is the center position, in fact if we do a 9 man rotation it will only be because we play 3 centers in a platoon effort in most games if Timelord is back.

And you don't want IT to come in and "score" points because he's doing it on a high volume of shots. Shots that will go to the remaining starters in the game. The reason our bench is low scoring, is we keep 2 scoring starters in the game at all times and when the bench comes in, they are role players. We don't have the 1 -2 dominant guys where we need a 6th man of the year scoring monster to come in and jack up shots. That would make us worse as a team, but look better in bench scoring.

I haven't looked but if you look at bench scoring vs the league our bench will be at or near the bottom, but if you look at our bench net rating, they are probably more towards the upper 3rd.

The problem is that bench net rating is in the regular season. You do not see coaches going all out with the same defensive strategies, when they're playing one team in a 7 game series. However many minutes you feel Semi or Brad W will get, it's one too many possessions where we will play into the other team's defensive scheme. They will leave open those non offensive players to double and trap our scorers. It becomes a huge liability when you don't have scorers on the floor in the playoffs. It's an area that has hurt us in the past.

While it doesn't have to be IT, we really do need someone capable of creating shots to eat up some bench minutes over our current non scoring threats. Regular season you can get by with anemic benches, but not so much in the playoffs. Every offensive possession counts and we've seen that playout too much in the past few playoff runs.

you are making 0 sense again. The bench net rating won't change becuse it's the playoffs. In fact, the only bench players who play will be the best net rating guys who will spend even more time playing with the starters. I mean, anouncers are saying Boston has the best starting 5 in the NBA. Every year they say "that team is so deep". But that deep team doesn't matter because other teams play guys 38-40 mpg in the playoffs as they never play a back to back and no point in saving guys for others. All of a sudden that deep team who starters are just good, not great, but wins because of depth, gets pummeled in the playoffs.

Wannamaker makes 6.7ppg on 5 shots per game. IT averages 12.2ppg on 10.1 shots per game. Basically Wannamaker scores more effectively. He just doesn't jack up as many shots. He passes. Moves the ball, drives. And that's good, because that's 5 more shots per game for either JB/JT or Gordon who are WAY better at making them than Wannamaker and IT.

And if Wannamaker swiches a pick and roll and ends up on D Mitchell, i'm ok with and don't scream at the screen for a double team.

IN NO WAY AT ALL DOES IT MAKE US BETTER AS A TEAM! NONE! NOTHING!

Wanamaker went from an 8.8 net rating in last year's regular season to a -12.4 in the playoffs. If you think bench stats carry over from the regular season to the playoffs you'd be wrong, and if you think he's even going to be effective for us in the playoffs over a proven scorer (yet again, I'll point out it doesn't have to be IT), you're fooling yourself.

[Gant]

Dragan Bender started for the Warriors last night. Here is the result:

22 minutes, 4 points on 2-6, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 assist, and 3 turnovers. He fouled out.

[Bleeding Green]

His 10-day contract must nearly be up. But he may get another one just because the Warriors have more coaches than healthy players at the moment. If any of you guys can hit an NBA corner three, I'd be sending in tape to Bob Myers.

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[zoyathedestroya]

Ask for a buyout, bruh.

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