Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Feed Your Head]

[Fierce1]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952390-celtics-biggest-needs-at-2022-nba-trade-deadline

Offensive Orchestrator

The problem is there's too much "your turn, my turn" with this offense. There isn't enough coalescing and making this group stronger together than it would be apart.

A full-fledged floor general could do the trick. Marcus Smart doesn't pose enough of a threat as a ball-handler or shooter, while Dennis Schroder isn't the most willing passer.

A player who can ditch defenders off the dribble and looks to involve teammates before dialing his own number might be the piece that gets this offense out of the mud.

[Fierce1]

You don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

When Smart was just the 6th man, the Celts went to the east finals twice!

When Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward left, Smart became a starter.

The last 2 seasons when Smart is a starter, the Celts are just a .500 team.

Winning plays does not equal winning games when after making a winning play you end up bricking a 3 on offense.

To elaborate further, there were numerous times in the past when Smart made a great defensive play then ended up taking an ill-advised shot.

The end result is you just gave the ball back to the opposing team as if nothing happened.

Sure Marcus Smart makes winning plays, but that gets negated when he can't make winning shots!

[Larry_Russell]

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401360397

4:58 Marcus Smart misses 25-foot three point jumper 96 - 92

59.3 Marcus Smart misses 27-foot three point jumper 101 - 101

1st one caught with 5 seconds on clock after tatum dribbled around in ISO, was an open shot, good look. COmpletely OK Shot

2nd one 5 seconds left on clock and closed out on very well by the Knicks defender. If Schroder was not on the court with Smart, Smart would have been the one making the swing pass as opposed to Schroder. Smart should not be in the game as a shooting guard.

And this is 1 game.

Doesnt change that for the SEASON, marcus takes 0.4 3pts in the clutch and makes 50% of them


So either admit you are grasping at straws
or just you hate him blindly and not waver from that stance like BCGM and his opinion of Brown.

[Fierce1]

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401360397

4:58 Marcus Smart misses 25-foot three point jumper 96 - 92

59.3 Marcus Smart misses 27-foot three point jumper 101 - 101

1st one caught with 5 seconds on clock after tatum dribbled around in ISO, was an open shot, good look. COmpletely OK Shot

2nd one 5 seconds left on clock and closed out on very well by the Knicks defender. If Schroder was not on the court with Smart, Smart would have been the one making the swing pass as opposed to Schroder. Smart should not be in the game as a shooting guard.

And this is 1 game.

Doesnt change that for the SEASON, marcus takes 0.4 3pts in the clutch and makes 50% of them


So either admit you are grasping at straws
or just you hate him blindly and not waver from that stance like BCGM and his opinion of Brown.

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking Marcus Smart.

Are you really telling me that you have not seen Marcus Smart making stupid plays late in the game that result in Celtic losses in the past?

Marcus Smart has only shot 40% or higher once in his entire 8-year career.

When you have a guy playing over 30 minutes a game and only shooting 38% from the field, that hurts the team!

If you want the Celts to win another championship, Marcus Smart has to go.

[Fierce1]

How can you win a championship when one of your top players is doing stuff like this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/mg4j3w/marcus_smart_with_possibly_the_dumbest_most/

[Larry_Russell]

You don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

When Smart was just the 6th man, the Celts went to the east finals twice!

When Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward left, Smart became a starter.

The last 2 seasons when Smart is a starter, the Celts are just a .500 team.

Winning plays does not equal winning games when after making a winning play you end up bricking a 3 on offense.

To elaborate further, there were numerous times in the past when Smart made a great defensive play then ended up taking an ill-advised shot.

The end result is you just gave the ball back to the opposing team as if nothing happened.

Sure Marcus Smart makes winning plays, but that gets negated when he can't make winning shots!

See you are wrong again.

2019-2020 Last time celtics made the ECFs team was 23-14 with Smart starting.
2018-2019 2nd round exit team was 38 and 22 with Smart Starting


Look up facts and numbers before posting your nonsense, or just state you hate him and move on.

[Fierce1]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/01/24/marcus-smart-opts-for-hero-ball-celtics-losing-streak-continues/

Despite a disappointing performance for 60 minutes against the lowly Lakers, the Celtics had a chance to walk off the Staples Center floor with their first victory in 12 days. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope missed a pair of free throws with five seconds left that could have put Los Angeles up by three, giving Boston some life. Smart hauled in Pope’s second miss, and with no timeouts for Brad Stevens to draw up a play, the guard raced down the floor with late-game heroics on his mind.

Smart was surrounded by better shooters, players who knock down shots much more frequently than his 36 percent this season, and much, much better than his 30 percent from three-point range. He’s an extremely talented passer, and could have hit a racing Terry Rozier after pulling down Pope’s miss. His fellow guard would have had a great look at a driving layup for the win, or at the very least, Rozier could have found himself at the free throw line with a chance to tie or win the game.

Smart could have popped a pass to rookie Jayson Tatum on the other wing when he hit the top of the key, who even at 1-for-6 shooting on the night would have been a decent (read: better) option. And though Kyrie Irving took his sweet time to get to the top of the key after serving as a spectator to Smart’s race down the floor, his 30-foot look would have been better than a Smart heave.

[Fierce1]

See you are wrong again.

2019-2020 Last time celtics made the ECFs team was 23-14 with Smart starting.
2018-2019 2nd round exit team was 38 and 22 with Smart Starting

Look up facts and numbers before posting your nonsense, or just state you hate him and move on.

The majority of the 2019-20 season, the starters were Theis, Tatum, Hayward, Brown, and Kemba.

In 2018-19, the only real starters were Kyrie, Horford, and Tatum.
Brad kept changing lineups that season because the Celts were underachieving.
And Smart was not one of the top 5 players of the Celts that season.

The point is when Smart was the 6th best player on the Celts, the Celts were not a .500 team.

When Smart became a top 5 player for the Celts, because Hayward, Horford, and Kyrie left, the Celts turned into a .500 team.

You can manipulate the stats all you want, but the majority here agree that Smart should not be a starter.

[Fierce1]

Here's more.

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/celtics/why-the-celtics-should-look-to-break-up-with-marcus-smart

There comes a time in a relationship where one must realize he or she needs to break it off with the significant other. It hurts to do it. You often ask what if he or she changes. What if I can be better to make us better? And some breakups only happen when there is something better out there.

To bring the Celtics into this analogy, it’s time to break up with Marcus Smart.

This trade would cause rioting in the streets. It would be immensely unpopular with the Green Teamers. And I am in no way willing to trade Marcus Smart away for nothing. But I believe there are teams out there that overvalue what Smart brings just as much as the Celtics fans do.

Let me explain first why I am OK with trading a guy most would consider untradeable. Smart can be the best player on the court in spurts. He can take the opponent’s best player out of the game on defense.

But he can also shoot you out of games during a cold streak. His careless late game turnovers were maddening. There were times in the Raptors series where he let Toronto get exactly what they wanted in a switch of Kemba Walker onto a ball handler. You remember the diving on the floor for loose balls, the steals, the hustle plays. But what about the fourth quarter turnovers vs Toronto and Miami?

[Feed Your Head]

WEEI links, good lord. We’ve truly hit rock bottom, but at least it fits with all thesportshub Tatum takes on this board.

[Fierce1]

WEEI links, good lord. We’ve truly hit rock bottom, but at least it fits with all thesportshub Tatum takes on this board.

If only one or two Celtic fans are talking about trading Tatum then you know it's crazy talk.

But if multiple sports writers, besides Celtic fans, are saying Smart is a problem then it's not crazy talk.

Let's get real here.

You really think the Celts will be able to beat Brooklyn or Milwaukee in a 7-game series with the way Smart shoots the ball?

It's time for an upgrade.

The only way the Celts can get an upgrade is if Smart has to be sacrificed.

[Feed Your Head]

WEEI links, good lord. We’ve truly hit rock bottom, but at least it fits with all thesportshub Tatum takes on this board.

If only one or two Celtic fans are talking about trading Tatum then you know it's crazy talk.

But if multiple sports writers, besides Celtic fans, are saying Smart is a problem then it's not crazy talk.

Let's get real here.

You really think the Celts will be able to beat Brooklyn or Milwaukee in a 7-game series with the way Smart shoots the ball?

It's time for an upgrade.

The only way the Celts can get an upgrade is if Smart has to be sacrificed.

Smart isn’t the reason we aren’t beating either of them in a series. Sorry.

Not going to bother taking this any further, as you refuse to be rational about Smart.

[Larry_Russell]

Listen, Fierce1

Let me help out your arguement.


Say that very few NBA championship teams play someone who is ~40% from the floor substantial minutes since the game changed to a more shooter driven league.

Use that as your arguing point and stick on that.

And it is true, outside of a guy like Rondo and Draymond, it doesn't happen very often.

[Fierce1]

Listen, Fierce1

Let me help out your arguement.


Say that very few NBA championship teams play someone who is ~40% from the floor substantial minutes since the game changed to a more shooter driven league.

Use that as your arguing point and stick on that.

And it is true, outside of a guy like Rondo and Draymond, it doesn't happen very often.

Exactly!

It's not even close.

Rondo is a career 45.7% from the field.

Draymond is 44% from the field for his career.

Smart is just 37.8% from the field his whole career.

That's just too much of a liability for someone getting a lot of minutes.

So why stick with Smart?

The Celts front office made it clear that the Jays will not be traded.

So what else is there to offer with significant trade value?

I think Marcus Smart can be packaged for an upgrade.

[Larry_Russell]

Listen, Fierce1

Let me help out your arguement.


Say that very few NBA championship teams play someone who is ~40% from the floor substantial minutes since the game changed to a more shooter driven league.

Use that as your arguing point and stick on that.

And it is true, outside of a guy like Rondo and Draymond, it doesn't happen very often.

Exactly!

It's not even close.

Rondo is a career 45.7% from the field.

Draymond is 44% from the field for his career.

Smart is just 37.8% from the field his whole career.

That's just too much of a liability for someone getting a lot of minutes.

So why stick with Smart?

The Celts front office made it clear that the Jays will not be traded.

So what else is there to offer with significant trade value?

I think Marcus Smart can be packaged for an upgrade.

There you go, stick with that point and keep away from all the other reaching you were doing regarding 3 pointers in crunch time etc.

[Shak_Celts]

Smart and I don't give a damn what anyone thinks, WE'RE HERE!!! Yeah, I'm biased, and what?! My heart is gonna lead the way because I don't do stats, wouldn't know where to look for more than rudimentary ones anyway.

[playa-hater]

You don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

When Smart was just the 6th man, the Celts went to the east finals twice!

When Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward left, Smart became a starter.

The last 2 seasons when Smart is a starter, the Celts are just a .500 team.

Winning plays does not equal winning games when after making a winning play you end up bricking a 3 on offense.

To elaborate further, there were numerous times in the past when Smart made a great defensive play then ended up taking an ill-advised shot.

The end result is you just gave the ball back to the opposing team as if nothing happened.

Sure Marcus Smart makes winning plays, but that gets negated when he can't make winning shots!

I have always thought and still do think that's Marcus best role was 6th man. Even his apparently lesser defense would get a boost since his energy level would be much higher in that role.

Put this under yet another coaching "miss" by our clueless leader.

[playa-hater]

Smart and I don't give a damn what anyone thinks, WE'RE HERE!!! Yeah, I'm biased, and what?! My heart is gonna lead the way because I don't do stats, wouldn't know where to look for more than rudimentary ones anyway.

when I was in college way back when, there were no computers and no number crunching stats like now. So I am with you in that. WE did watch a Ton of game film. So my eyes were trained to use "my eyes".

With that said, my eyes say Smart has a real value to us. But I also believe Smart's value would be exponentially higher as a sixth man. I liked the, "if we were struggling a bit" send in Smart and the team's energy kicks up a notch. we don't have that "kick up" notch since Smart has been a starter.

Damn just thinking how Smart and Nesmith off the bench could jolt up our energies

[Larry_Russell]

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