Grant Williams Thread

[playa-hater]

agreed with all that. thing is, guys like PJ Tucker and Jae Crowder typically don't make a ton of money. They're mid level guys who usually don't make much more than $10 mil a year.

But, Grant is still only 23 and getting better all the time. Plus, he brings such good vibes to the team, so good for team culture. I think somewhere around $14 or $15 mil a year (maybe $16?) is good for him - especially since dudes are getting paid more these days. Hope we don't have to go much higher than that, cause then it's less $ we can spend on the rest of the roster..

What comp is he evolving into? More fluid than Tucker -- (without being the ALL MAN defender, too) -- Boris Diaw? Older/post-injuries Larry Johnson? I got nothing. I agree the floor -- not the ceiling -- for his value is hopefully in the realm of Tucker and/or Crowder. But I can't picture a ceiling, and his playstyle is evolving in a really encouraging way.

closest comps I got are still Tucker, Crowder and Larry Nance Jr

Like that list but would include Boris Diaw since Grant is becoming more creative with the ball which was a Diaw strength.

[Spin Move]

agreed with all that. thing is, guys like PJ Tucker and Jae Crowder typically don't make a ton of money. They're mid level guys who usually don't make much more than $10 mil a year.

But, Grant is still only 23 and getting better all the time. Plus, he brings such good vibes to the team, so good for team culture. I think somewhere around $14 or $15 mil a year (maybe $16?) is good for him - especially since dudes are getting paid more these days. Hope we don't have to go much higher than that, cause then it's less $ we can spend on the rest of the roster..

What comp is he evolving into? More fluid than Tucker -- (without being the ALL MAN defender, too) -- Boris Diaw? Older/post-injuries Larry Johnson? I got nothing. I agree the floor -- not the ceiling -- for his value is hopefully in the realm of Tucker and/or Crowder. But I can't picture a ceiling, and his playstyle is evolving in a really encouraging way.

closest comps I got are still Tucker, Crowder and Larry Nance Jr

Given his size and average athletiscim Jae Crowder is the best comp, Jae Crowder never averaged 16 points or 8 boards a game but gaurds the other guys strong players hustles and makes corner 3's. That type of guy is worth 10-12 million a year, he is not a specieal rebounder or defender like tucker, he is an oversized 3/undersized 4 who can make an open 3 and play solid defenes. I do not want to pay him 18 million a year even though I think he is a decent peice, who would give over the midlevel for him?

[zoyathedestroya]

Ceiling is Shawn Kemp crossed with Charles Barkley and Glenn Robinson.

[zoyathedestroya]

Since starting for the Cs, team is 6-0 with #4 defense along with its #1 offense. Wins against MEM, DEN, ATL.

Give Grant the keys to the team and he will eradicate war, hunger, sickness, and global warming.

[hugepatsfan]

Some time ago, maybe a year?? we were discussing who Grant may turn out like one day and many of us had hoped he would be a PJ Tucker like player. Well shame on all of us (I think) because not one ever declared Grant may end up becoming a far better player than PJ ever was.

That is what I am feeling right now. and while I still give Prime PJ and edge on defense, overall Grant's game is becoming so diversified. He was once a steady knock down shooter from the baseline, but that's it. Now he not only hits from every where, he cuts to the rim, puts the ball on the floor, creates at times and even finished far better than I can remember.

that and his ever present "good persona" is what Boston needs on and off the court going forward. Just hope it doesn't cost too much in retaining him.

agreed with all that. thing is, guys like PJ Tucker and Jae Crowder typically don't make a ton of money. They're mid level guys who usually don't make much more than $10 mil a year.

But, Grant is still only 23 and getting better all the time. Plus, he brings such good vibes to the team, so good for team culture. I think somewhere around $14 or $15 mil a year (maybe $16?) is good for him - especially since dudes are getting paid more these days. Hope we don't have to go much higher than that, cause then it's less $ we can spend on the rest of the roster..

What comp is he evolving into? More fluid than Tucker -- (without being the ALL MAN defender, too) -- Boris Diaw? Older/post-injuries Larry Johnson? I got nothing. I agree the floor -- not the ceiling -- for his value is hopefully in the realm of Tucker and/or Crowder. But I can't picture a ceiling, and his playstyle is evolving in a really encouraging way.

I've always maintained that he can be PJ Tucker on defense and Boris Diaw on offense.

[playa-hater]

agreed with all that. thing is, guys like PJ Tucker and Jae Crowder typically don't make a ton of money. They're mid level guys who usually don't make much more than $10 mil a year.

But, Grant is still only 23 and getting better all the time. Plus, he brings such good vibes to the team, so good for team culture. I think somewhere around $14 or $15 mil a year (maybe $16?) is good for him - especially since dudes are getting paid more these days. Hope we don't have to go much higher than that, cause then it's less $ we can spend on the rest of the roster..

What comp is he evolving into? More fluid than Tucker -- (without being the ALL MAN defender, too) -- Boris Diaw? Older/post-injuries Larry Johnson? I got nothing. I agree the floor -- not the ceiling -- for his value is hopefully in the realm of Tucker and/or Crowder. But I can't picture a ceiling, and his playstyle is evolving in a really encouraging way.

I've always maintained that he can be PJ Tucker on defense and Boris Diaw on offense.

Or better

[threrf23]

He's probably the closest thing to Draymond Green since Draymond Green - they've got very similar strengths and weaknesses. However, he is not as imposing as Draymond Green, which might make him more like Rodney Rodgers, which I think is a comparison I saw somewhere. Hopefully he is less douchey than Draymond.

Was my take on him when we drafted him. I never watched enough Rodney Rogers back in the day to have a good grip on how good of a comparison it is.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[flintsky21]

I've been so impressed with Grant this season. He's added a weapon with his improved ability to create off the dribble and he always seems to make the right decision with the ball. And the guy is an iron man. He's playing all these huge minutes without ever looking slightly worn out or gassed towards the end. I've had doubts about his ability to ever be a consistent enough factor on offense to warrant starting or playing starter minutes, and all that's erased right now.

[Hal14]

I've been so impressed with Grant this season. He's added a weapon with his improved ability to create off the dribble and he always seems to make the right decision with the ball. And the guy is an iron man. He's playing all these huge minutes without ever looking slightly worn out or gassed towards the end. I've had doubts about his ability to ever be a consistent enough factor on offense to warrant starting or playing starter minutes, and all that's erased right now.

Agreed. I think he's our starting PF of the future. Just need to make sure we pair him with a 5 who can rebound and protect the rim.. a.k.a. time lord.

I figure next season with Al at age 37, he'll be moved to a role coming off the bench.

[RickyDizzle]

I've been so impressed with Grant this season. He's added a weapon with his improved ability to create off the dribble and he always seems to make the right decision with the ball. And the guy is an iron man. He's playing all these huge minutes without ever looking slightly worn out or gassed towards the end. I've had doubts about his ability to ever be a consistent enough factor on offense to warrant starting or playing starter minutes, and all that's erased right now.

Agreed. I think he's our starting PF of the future. Just need to make sure we pair him with a 5 who can rebound and protect the rim.. a.k.a. time lord.

I figure next season with Al at age 37, he'll be moved to a role coming off the bench.

I've said it before, but if you can fit Grant and Al into Al's salary slot you're golden. Al 26.5 this season... sign Al at 2 years and 23 million, sign Grant for 15 mil or so (hopefully less though).

[Parliament10]

I've been so impressed with Grant this season. He's added a weapon with his improved ability to create off the dribble and he always seems to make the right decision with the ball. And the guy is an iron man. He's playing all these huge minutes without ever looking slightly worn out or gassed towards the end. I've had doubts about his ability to ever be a consistent enough factor on offense to warrant starting or playing starter minutes, and all that's erased right now.

Agreed. I think he's our starting PF of the future. Just need to make sure we pair him with a 5 who can rebound and protect the rim.. a.k.a. time lord.

I figure next season with Al at age 37, he'll be moved to a role coming off the bench.

I've said it before, but if you can fit Grant and Al into Al's salary slot you're golden. Al 26.5 this season... sign Al at 2 years and 23 million, sign Grant for 15 mil or so (hopefully less though).

That sounds like a Good Transition. Let Horford play it out in Boston; taking a Bench Role, at some point.
Grant can continue to learn and improve, before taking over the reins.

[LewisnotMiller]

Ceiling is Shawn Kemp crossed with Charles Barkley and Glenn Robinson.

If you mean Kemp's drug and paternity habits, Barkley's eating, and Robinson's contract demands, I'm out.

Otherwise, sign me up.

[Wes-J]

I've been so impressed with Grant this season. He's added a weapon with his improved ability to create off the dribble and he always seems to make the right decision with the ball. And the guy is an iron man. He's playing all these huge minutes without ever looking slightly worn out or gassed towards the end. I've had doubts about his ability to ever be a consistent enough factor on offense to warrant starting or playing starter minutes, and all that's erased right now.

Agreed. I think he's our starting PF of the future. Just need to make sure we pair him with a 5 who can rebound and protect the rim.. a.k.a. time lord.

I figure next season with Al at age 37, he'll be moved to a role coming off the bench.

If he could rebound he'd be the perfect pf.

[BK_2020]

Grant can give us Horford's spot up shooting and kind of fake it with attacking close outs but people forget how good Horford is on defense and as a passer. Grant unless he makes unexpected improvements is not a threat out of pnr/DHO in the way that Horford is.

[Hal14]

Grant can give us Horford's spot up shooting and kind of fake it with attacking close outs but people forget how good Horford is on defense and as a passer. Grant unless he makes unexpected improvements is not a threat out of pnr/DHO in the way that Horford is.

He doesn't have to be Horford.

Crowder and Tucker have been starting PF on a bunch of VERY good teams (2020 Heat, 2022 Heat, 2021 Bucks, 2021 Suns, 2022 Suns, 2018 Rockets, etc.). Grant can be just as good (if not better) than Crowder and Tucker.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What comp is he evolving into? More fluid than Tucker -- (without being the ALL MAN defender, too) -- Boris Diaw? Older/post-injuries Larry Johnson? I got nothing. I agree the floor -- not the ceiling -- for his value is hopefully in the realm of Tucker and/or Crowder. But I can't picture a ceiling, and his playstyle is evolving in a really encouraging way.

closest comps I got are still Tucker, Crowder and Larry Nance Jr

Like that list but would include Boris Diaw since Grant is becoming more creative with the ball which was a Diaw strength.

Don't think he can reach Diaw's level passing the ball. But I've been bullish on Grant all along - he was a great scorer in college, improved every year - the three point shooting was big, now the growing comfort on the perimeter, attacking closeouts, even finishing over size in the paint. He could have a 16 ppg season someday. And he should get a little stronger. Will try to think of other comps.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ceiling is Shawn Kemp crossed with Charles Barkley and Glenn Robinson.

If you mean Kemp's drug and paternity habits, Barkley's eating, and Robinson's contract demands, I'm out.

Otherwise, sign me up.

Thin Jared Sullinger?