Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Deveney's sources are probably Brad Stevens and Austin Ainge..

The case for running it back isn't strong enough when you're backed into a corner by the new CBA..

And it's not just about getting someone *better*..

“What do you think you’re gonna get for Jaylen that is gonna improve you? Trae Young? Jordan Poole? Throw out a name, and the answer is almost definitely, no. No, it’s not there. Giannis (Antetokounmpo), (Nikola) Jokic, Luka (Doncic). Maybe those guys. But really, no one else.”

A lateral talent swap is good if it remixes team chemistry and frees up cap space.. Even a slight downgrade is good if you're also getting an upside guy in the trade. You get a Giddey/picks/rookie-contracts package from Presti, hang onto Giddey and flip the rest for Siakam or Towns..

[Andrew McCeltic]

More info on Jaylen: Supposedly buying side-by-side condos at the St. Regis in the Seaport,
planning to knock down the walls, and convert them into one large unit. Cr: Greg Hill

He's an investor, he's going to sell it to Giannis

[Bar Fight]

Read on Twitter

“Ime gets fired, Rob Williams goes down, if you asked anyone at that point, ‘Hey if the Celtics get to the seventh game of the East finals, will this year be a success?’ they’d say yes. Of course,” the exec said last weekend. “Now, you want to fire the coach? Or better yet, you want to trade one of the best 15 players in the game? They will trade Jaylen Brown—if they have to. If he says, ‘I am not staying here.’ But not before that. He’d have to ask out.

“What do you think you’re gonna get for Jaylen that is gonna improve you? Trae Young? Jordan Poole? Throw out a name, and the answer is almost definitely, no. No, it’s not there. Giannis (Antetokounmpo), (Nikola) Jokic, Luka (Doncic). Maybe those guys. But really, no one else.”



It's common sense. This forum needs someone to kick around. For many years it was Marcus Smart, now it's Jaylen Brown. Would be interesting to see if Smart and Brown were gone who the next player would be that this forum would kick around.

100% guarantee it would be someone.

We're past the point of anything short of a title being "a success". We didn't go 6 years of mostly deep Playoff runs with this group to still be celebrating losing in the ECF.

[djFan71]

I don't know if it's been mentioned or not but Marcus Smart plus picks for Myles Turner might be a possible path to upgrade our front court. Marcus Smart only because salaries match and Brogdon already came from there. Indy probably doesn't want Smart so either make it a 3 way with more picks going to Indy or Indy holds on to him as an asset.

I thought of Brogdon for Turner but didn't mention it for the same reason.

I was also thinking in a 3/Simons for JB scenario could you do 3 for Turner and 7. Not sure what his value is - might be a little more than that, but not THAT much more? A jump to 3 in this draft definitely has some value.

3 & some choice from the pu pu platter of mild assets - 35, future protected late first, Hauser, JD, etc???
I draw the line at the rights to Yam, though.

[hugepatsfan]

7/Turner for 3 has been suggested on the main board. Feeling is that IND would have to do it if they have Miller as the 3rd player in a 3 player draft like most do. Feeling was that POR is getting a raw deal by diluting the value of the top pick for a win now role player but that it might make sense to do if they’re trying to appease Dame.

[Curmudgeon]

The best way to appease Dame is to trade him, because he's not winning a ring in Portland no matter what the Blazers do.

I have no doubt that after Brown's performance against Miami, Stevens' phone is buzzing every ten seconds with another lowball offer. So we'll see.

[djFan71]

7/Turner for 3 has been suggested on the main board. Feeling is that IND would have to do it if they have Miller as the 3rd player in a 3 player draft like most do. Feeling was that POR is getting a raw deal by diluting the value of the top pick for a win now role player but that it might make sense to do if they’re trying to appease Dame.

Thanks, I actually asked in a thread with TOR/IND and it got ignored since it was mid bickering about trading up from 7 to 6 and devolved from there, lol.

I my scenario it's JB for 3/Simons.
Then 3 for 7 & Turner
Then flipping 7 & Brogdon for OG.

Effectively JB, MB for Simon, OG & Turner. All in one, or split as long as salaries still work.

I know people prefer Siakam and I do too (on alternate days), but I like that return quite a bit and each piece feels at least somewhat plausible. I'd add smaller assets to grease wheels on a step that needs it.


EDIT: I'm also fine keeping 7 instead of getting OG

[hugepatsfan]

7/Turner for 3 has been suggested on the main board. Feeling is that IND would have to do it if they have Miller as the 3rd player in a 3 player draft like most do. Feeling was that POR is getting a raw deal by diluting the value of the top pick for a win now role player but that it might make sense to do if they’re trying to appease Dame.

Thanks, I actually asked in a thread with TOR/IND and it got ignored since it was mid bickering about trading up from 7 to 6 and devolved from there, lol.

I my scenario it's JB for 3/Simons.
Then 3 for 7 & Turner
Then flipping 7 & Brogdon for OG.

Effectively JB, MB for Simon, OG & Turner. All in one, or split as long as salaries still work.

I know people prefer Siakam and I do too (on alternate days), but I like that return quite a bit and each piece feels at least somewhat plausible. I'd add smaller assets to grease wheels on a step that needs it.


EDIT: I'm also fine keeping 7 instead of getting OG

I actually proposed something similar last week: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2292671

I had us ending up with:

Smart / Brogdon
Simons
OG / DFS
Tatum / Horford / Gallinari
Turner / RWilliams

I think you could make it work to keep White instead of Brogdon.

[djFan71]

7/Turner for 3 has been suggested on the main board. Feeling is that IND would have to do it if they have Miller as the 3rd player in a 3 player draft like most do. Feeling was that POR is getting a raw deal by diluting the value of the top pick for a win now role player but that it might make sense to do if they’re trying to appease Dame.

Thanks, I actually asked in a thread with TOR/IND and it got ignored since it was mid bickering about trading up from 7 to 6 and devolved from there, lol.

I my scenario it's JB for 3/Simons.
Then 3 for 7 & Turner
Then flipping 7 & Brogdon for OG.

Effectively JB, MB for Simon, OG & Turner. All in one, or split as long as salaries still work.

I know people prefer Siakam and I do too (on alternate days), but I like that return quite a bit and each piece feels at least somewhat plausible. I'd add smaller assets to grease wheels on a step that needs it.


EDIT: I'm also fine keeping 7 instead of getting OG

I actually proposed something similar last week: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2292671

I had us ending up with:

Smart / Brogdon
Simons
OG / DFS
Tatum / Horford / Gallinari
Turner / RWilliams

I think you could make it work to keep White instead of Brogdon.

Nice! Yeah, I'd prefer White for sure - Simons is now your microwave instead of Malcolm. To the point of skipping the DFS step, though I get the rationale. I'd rather just pay Grant something similar / slightly more (which seems more likely with no CBA) than trade White for DFS. If FVV bolts, Brogdon and 7 for OG seems like enough and alleviates roughly the same salary as moving White.

My struggle is it's all hinged on that 3/Simons thing which is just so hard to gauge if it's even feasible. On one hand POR is crazy to do it for an expiring. Objectively, you say no way, that's stupid. On the other they're desperate and guys like Jaylen just aren't available out there, and he's on "Dame's list", so sometimes I want to ask for more, lol. Assuming Grant resigns, Dame, JB, Grant is a really good start.

[zoyathedestroya]

One tiny request. If we are moving on from Brown, I propose we get someone whose name doesn’t start with “Jay”. So we get rid of the Jays pair moniker as if the two are of the same level of player when being discussed.

So Pascal, Dame, Paul, Nikola, and Steph all qualify. Brunson, OKC’s non-Kenrich Williamses, Suggs, Green, Duren, etc don’t.

[djFan71]

One tiny request. If we are moving on from Brown, I propose we get someone whose name doesn’t start with “Jay”. So we get rid of the Jays pair moniker as if the two are of the same level of player when being discussed.

So Pascal, Dame, Paul, Nikola, and Steph all qualify. Brunson, OKC’s non-Kenrich Williamses, Suggs, Green, Duren, etc don’t.

Fine. I'm scrapping the Jay Scrubb trade I was working on just now.

[165bows]

So many ridiculously entitled posters around here. It’s like throw out the whole careers of top-20 guys like Dirk or KG because they didn’t win titles ‘til 32.

[djFan71]

Thanks, I actually asked in a thread with TOR/IND and it got ignored since it was mid bickering about trading up from 7 to 6 and devolved from there, lol.

I my scenario it's JB for 3/Simons.
Then 3 for 7 & Turner
Then flipping 7 & Brogdon for OG.

Effectively JB, MB for Simon, OG & Turner. All in one, or split as long as salaries still work.

I know people prefer Siakam and I do too (on alternate days), but I like that return quite a bit and each piece feels at least somewhat plausible. I'd add smaller assets to grease wheels on a step that needs it.


EDIT: I'm also fine keeping 7 instead of getting OG

I actually proposed something similar last week: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2292671

I had us ending up with:

Smart / Brogdon
Simons
OG / DFS
Tatum / Horford / Gallinari
Turner / RWilliams

I think you could make it work to keep White instead of Brogdon.

Nice! Yeah, I'd prefer White for sure - Simons is now your microwave instead of Malcolm. To the point of skipping the DFS step, though I get the rationale. I'd rather just pay Grant something similar / slightly more (which seems more likely with no CBA) than trade White for DFS. If FVV bolts, Brogdon and 7 for OG seems like enough and alleviates roughly the same salary as moving White.

My struggle is it's all hinged on that 3/Simons thing which is just so hard to gauge if it's even feasible. On one hand POR is crazy to do it for an expiring. Objectively, you say no way, that's stupid. On the other they're desperate and guys like Jaylen just aren't available out there, and he's on "Dame's list", so sometimes I want to ask for more, lol. Assuming Grant resigns, Dame, JB, Grant is a really good start.

Reading thru your thread made me realize OG is psuedo-expiring with the player option. I'm not sure I flip 7 & Brogdon for him, tbh. I wonder if you could get Mikal if you add to that somehow. Or someone similar tier that's not the post-kyrie franchise poster child, lol.

Or just take Jarace Walker (or Cam, or Black or Hendricks).

[165bows]

Brogdon+ for DeRozan at the draft. Dream kind of died with the new CBA but I think they need a defensive and/or ball handling four. Team just dies because of ball handling issues and Brogs was cool but didn’t solve the problem.

Just need a bit more dynamic-ness in the front court. Not sure who else fits the bill, tough to find the right fit.

[djFan71]

Brogdon+ for DeRozan at the draft. Dream kind of died with the new CBA but I think they need a defensive and/or ball handling four. Team just dies because of ball handling issues and Brogs was cool but didn’t solve the problem.

Just need a bit more dynamic-ness in the front court. Not sure who else fits the bill, tough to find the right fit.

Agree 100% with the problem, not necessarily the price of the solution (as you mention). Cheaper salary guys who can move the ball (top 50 assists/48) that aren't guards: Royce O'Neale, Xavier Tillman, SloMo

I may have mentioned 1 or 2 of them before...

[bucknersrevenge]

I’m onboard with trading JB but your take is trash. At least give a real assessment on JB.

What's the real assessment of JB?

I’m not the JB hater. Why don’t you ask the Gods Gift to basketball evaluations BK2020.

I'm sorry if that came out some kind of way. I'm legitimately asking you for your assessment. I'm well aware of BK's assessment.

[hugepatsfan]

Brogdon+ for DeRozan at the draft. Dream kind of died with the new CBA but I think they need a defensive and/or ball handling four. Team just dies because of ball handling issues and Brogs was cool but didn’t solve the problem.

Just need a bit more dynamic-ness in the front court. Not sure who else fits the bill, tough to find the right fit.

DeRozen is a bad off ball player. Don’t want him here unless Brown is traded. I do not think a DeRozen/Brown/Tatum trio is complimentary at all. And definitely a bad idea to oaky Smart or even White with that pairing.

If DeRozen is coming in Brogdon is by far the most important of our guards to keep because the spacing is putrid.

[bucknersrevenge]

I think whether we love or hate or support or not support Jaylen has become somewhat irrelevant in this issue. The question is, will Wyc pay gobs of money to keep him? And I don't just mean the 295M he's earned on his next deal.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I hadn’t spent one minute thinking about having to remake this team, don’t see a lot of options..

We’ll have all of our future picks available to trade after the draft, which lets us bid on more players..

We’re guard heavy but still somehow don’t have enough shooting and ball handling. And we desperately need another reliable frontcourt player.

Gallo could’ve helped a lot this year but he’s getting older and he’s injury prone. Horford is getting older. Rob is injury prone. We’re bad luck away from rolling out Kornet, Kabengele and Muscala for 30-40 games. You can roll the dice on our bigs for one more year before it becomes a liability.

[Triple7]

Forget Simons, I want to do Jaylen for Sharpe/3 with a Jerami Grant sign and trade. Then flip 3 with one of Smart/White/Brogdon for an upgrade.

White should be untouchable!

Why? If you could flip White/3 for Zach Lavine and run out Smart/Zach/Tatum/Jerami/Al with Brogdon, Sharpe, Gallo, Hauser, Rob off the bench...? That's the absolute best case scenario, that's a better team than this year's group.

I’d rather move smart than let white go. Though, White would command a higher value. I think zach lavine would be a much better fit with JT than brown. I’d straight up trade brown for him right now. That guy can shoot, has excellent handles, can drive to the basket, and doesn’t have an ego.