Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #621 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:48 pm

KGboss wrote:Lee is going back to Houston - and has also been a very efficient bench scorer for us. He will be missed if he is indeed traded - more so than people think.

We wont win more games because of this at the end of the season.

Courtney Lee? Really? He wasn't going to get much time when Rondo came back anyhow. Losing Bass hurts, as I don't think Sully will be able to guard quick stretch 4s. Thankfully, Wallace can fill that role.

irie · Post #622 » by **irie** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:49 pm

If Jeff or Sully are involved, I wouldn't like it. I don't really like Asik though.

freddiebutch · Post #623 » by **freddiebutch** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:49 pm

I hope there is heavy protection on the pick. I love getting out of Lee/Bass deals, but not really sure how much Asik will help in the long run. FA after next year, would be tough to give up a decent asset to just see him walk.

DK-All Day · Post #624 » by **DK-All Day** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:49 pm

Danny Ainge: The Heist Part 2.

FlopShow2013 · Post #625 » by **FlopShow2013** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:49 pm

I agree with whoever agrees with me...

Bass, Lee and a Pick is too much for a player like Asik...

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #626 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:49 pm

DDB or LBF with any updates?

Banks2Pierce · Post #627 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:50 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/413410300466315264[/tweet]

Ah, damn. We already went through that Clippersgate in this calendar year. At least this one has a deadline.

Valid · Post #628 » by **Valid** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:50 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
KGboss wrote:Lee is going back to Houston - and has also been a very efficient bench scorer for us. He will be missed if he is indeed traded - more so than people think.

We wont win more games because of this at the end of the season.

Courtney Lee? Really? He wasn't going to get much time when Rondo came back anyhow. Losing Bass hurts, as I don't think Sully will be able to guard quick stretch 4s. Thankfully, Wallace can fill that role.

Yeah. This.

Lee has been playing well, but with Rondo on the mend, there is going to be a glut at the guard spots, anyway. I'll take a frontcourt of Asik and Sullinger over an extra guard off the bench any day.

Bass will definitely be missed, though. Celtics fans have been underrating him for three years now.

GreenMachine · Post #629 » by **GreenMachine** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

greenmachine_2849 wrote:
Valid wrote:You have to take into consideration his situation in Houston. Yes, he may be worth a bit more than that, but he wants out. The Rockets have no leverage here whatsoever.

I don't think it really works that way, though. Hasn't anybody here ever been on ebay? The question isn't whether or not Houston wants to trade Asik; they obviously do. The question is how much the other 28 GMs in the league want to add Asik to their roster. Since there are several other teams apparently interested in his services, Houston has plenty of leverage here. Ainge still has to make sure he has the best offer out there at the end of the day. With that said, I would be surprised if Asik is acquired for much of a discount at all...

Sure... other teams are interested... but what are they willing to give up? If Houston had an offer that was any good... they would have made the deal by now.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #630 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
KGboss wrote:Lee is going back to Houston - and has also been a very efficient bench scorer for us. He will be missed if he is indeed traded - more so than people think.

We wont win more games because of this at the end of the season.

Courtney Lee? Really? He wasn't going to get much time when Rondo came back anyhow. Losing Bass hurts, as I don't think Sully will be able to guard quick stretch 4s. Thankfully, Wallace can fill that role.

That is a good point. It was reported he would be the 4th guard when Rondo returns. Crawford, Bradley Rondo would be ahead of him in the rotation. It will leave them a litte short at the guard (not a fan of Pressey) spot but they can move Green to the SG spot and give Crash more time at the SF spot I suppose.

Post #631 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

Yeah woj is one of the best out there. It's not as if he just hears everything and reports it. He reports it then it's done. I expect this to finish soon.

Green89 · Post #632 » by **Green89** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

FlopShow2013 wrote:I agree with whoever agrees with me...

Bass, Lee and a Pick is too much for a player like Asik...

I don't agree with you.

And Woj didn't say it was going to go down today.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #633 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

The Corey's wrote:But I should reiterate that I had zero idea what asik is or could be but if he's just a slightly better version than Perkins I don't think it's worth it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... kom01.html

30 minute starter = 10 ppg 12 rpg with only 2 tpg and 2.7 fpg.

Last time Celtics had a legit 10 rpg player? Anyone? Antoine Walker circa 98??

greenmachine_2849 · Post #634 » by **greenmachine_2849** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:My thoughts are:

Green + 1st rounder = bad
Green only = OK
Bass + 1st rounder = OK
Hump + 1st rounder = OK

Anyone in a different boat? There's obviously little non-entities like Marshon Brooks that could be included that don't swing my pendulum either way.

I might be willing to throw Faverani in the package with Humphries and a 1st rounder. Like him, but with Asik, Sullinger, Bass, and Olynyk all on the roster, he would be expendable.

Probably more remote, but could see Bradley (+ cap filler) being offered up in trade talks for Asik. We've been hearing talk recently about Bradley's potential asking price next summer being pretty high, and maybe Ainge feels Jordan Crawford can be had for more of a bargain next summer. Once Rondo returns, a three guard rotation of Rondo/Lee/Crawford would still be pretty potent, and we'd have seriously upgraded the frontcourt for the next few years.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #635 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Would also open up minutes for Brooks finally if we keep him

Andrew McCeltic · Post #636 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Other than Milsap or Ryan Anderson, who would be a better offer than Bass/Lee/1st?

freddiebutch · Post #637 » by **freddiebutch** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Interesting to see if Lee and Bass dress tonight, if the deal is gaining so much momentum.

KGboss · Post #638 » by **KGboss** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:53 pm

Valid wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
KGboss wrote:Lee is going back to Houston - and has also been a very efficient bench scorer for us. He will be missed if he is indeed traded - more so than people think.

We wont win more games because of this at the end of the season.

Courtney Lee? Really? He wasn't going to get much time when Rondo came back anyhow. Losing Bass hurts, as I don't think Sully will be able to guard quick stretch 4s. Thankfully, Wallace can fill that role.

Yeah. This.

Lee has been playing well, but with Rondo on the mend, there is going to be a glut at the guard spots, anyway. I'll take a frontcourt of Asik and Sullinger over an extra guard off the bench any day.

Bass will definitely be missed, though. Celtics fans have been underrating him for three years now.

Well Bass is a given to be missed. He has been this teams most important player arguably alongside Sully and Bradley. But Bass for Asik is a good trade and was talked about from the get go.

Throwing in Courtney lee as well seems like too much. Id rather give up Humphries + Lee and a first if thats what we are talking here. But Humphries is probably viewed as the bigger assett due to his expiring contract.

greengoggles · Post #639 » by **greengoggles** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:54 pm

Bass and Lee were our second and third worst contracts coming into this year. To be able to dump them and pick up Asik (a borderline top 5 defensive center and top 3 rebounder) at the expense of a pick would be crazy. No way that's the deal.

Fencer reregistered · Post #640 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:54 pm

Even if Bass isn't a Morey-style player, he probably could be traded onward for an alternative.