Kemba Walker Thread

[Darth Celtic]

^^ that's spot on. a pass first defensive pg is what we need to continue tatum + brown's progression.

kemba for montrezl harrell (sign-n-trade) + pat beverley?

we can't accept a sign and trade unless Hayward opts out and leaves for nothing.

[Darth Celtic]

Boston is over the cap and over the tax. Being over the tax we can't accept a player in with a sign and trade. Even if it saves us money. Teams in the tax can't accept sign and trade, and teams who do accept a player in on sign and trade are hard capped just above the tax line. Also, if Kemba has a 15% trade kicker as mentioned, he himself would need to waive it in almost all trade scenarios unless a team under the cap is included in the trade. Everyone has fun trying to trade Kemba in fantasy land, but you all need to get used to the fact he's not leaving.

[BostonCouchGM]

lmao they had to give picks up for Brogdon? This is like right out of the "How to win 45 games and lose in the first round every year" playbook.

Masterclass execution by Milwaukee, though. Draft Brogdon in the second round and get all his cheap years, then trade him for more picks. They're writing the playbook for how to win 65 games in the regular season and lose in the second round ever year. What crazy value they got from the 36th pick in the draft. Zero good players drafted after him, too.

yep, and we passed on Brogdon how many times? Five times? How embarrassing. Yet Danny has a surplus of defenders when it comes to his draft record. And using the fact that IND lost in the first round is weak. They didn't have their all-star PF (Sabonis) and Oladipo wasn't anywhere near full health, and lost to the Heat who ended up getting to Game 6 of the NBA Finals. We lost to that same Heat team btw.

[playa-hater]

I really would love to trade Kemba to the only team that Boston could consider from a money and a politically correct move, and that would be the NYK. The Knicks are his hometown team and Danny Ainge wouldn't be burned for trading Kemba after only one year. They need a PG, a star, and have Cap money to trade (I believe).

It wouldn't be realistic to expect NYK # 8 pick straight up. So any combination of Kemba +26 and/or 30 for #8 I would do Cartwheels.

Or even a Kemba for their 27th pick + Frank Ntilikina..

Anything similar to get out of a bloated contract for a 30 YO player, with huge defensive liabilities, and injury concerns, that doesn't excel at setting up teammates.

[Parliament10]

I really would love to trade Kemba to the only team that Boston could consider from a money and a politically correct move, and that would be the NYK. The Knicks are his hometown team and Danny Ainge wouldn't be burned for trading Kemba after only one year. They need a PG, a star, and have Cap money to trade (I believe).

It wouldn't be realistic to expect NYK # 8 pick straight up. So any combination of Kemba +26 and/or 30 for #8 I would do Cartwheels.

Or even a Kemba for their 27th pick + Frank Ntilikina..

Anything similar to get out of a bloated contract for a 30 YO player, with huge defensive liabilities, and injury concerns, that doesn't excel at setting up teammates.

It'd be nice if we could trade him, so soon. But, we got him for at least another year or two.

[captain green]

As much as it was a panic move, we are stuck with him. Ainge is shrewed no doubts but that move would kill all his cred moving forward. Now in his final year see ya

[Patsfan1081]

As much as it was a panic move, we are stuck with him. Ainge is shrewed no doubts but that move would kill all his cred moving forward. Now in his final year see ya

Yeah the Kemba trades are puzzling, agree that Ainge isn’t going to trade the guy a year after choosing Boston, especially with the weird COVID year where he played through injury.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

As much as it was a panic move, we are stuck with him. Ainge is shrewed no doubts but that move would kill all his cred moving forward. Now in his final year see ya

Yeah the Kemba trades are puzzling, agree that Ainge isn’t going to trade the guy a year after choosing Boston, especially with the weird COVID year where he played through injury.

People think the NBA is a video game, not real life with real people involved.

He didn't have a good playoffs. He's a great player. Let's run it back and see what happens next year.

[100proof]

As much as it was a panic move, we are stuck with him. Ainge is shrewed no doubts but that move would kill all his cred moving forward. Now in his final year see ya

Yeah the Kemba trades are puzzling, agree that Ainge isn’t going to trade the guy a year after choosing Boston, especially with the weird COVID year where he played through injury.

People think the NBA is a video game, not real life with real people involved.

He didn't have a good playoffs. He's a great player. Let's run it back and see what happens next year.

But always look to the future too. He is a great player, but he has flaws, pretty significant ones.

And there comes a point when you have to take a risk. We know we can perform and win without Kemba, we have proved it. We have shown what the teams weaknesses are, so if we are able to improve on those weaknesses while not missing a beat by trading a player, you do it.

[Cuban Pete]

Kemba is another cautionary tale about the Cs and high level free agency.

[flintsky21]

Kemba is another cautionary tale about the Cs and high level free agency.

It did make sense at that time though. They just lost Kyrie, and part of me felt that DA expected to retain him. And so there was suddenly a huge need for both a point guard and a first option. Then comes Kemba who was a free agent and was ecstatic to play for Boston. It was just too convenient and so signing him was a no-brainer.

I wonder though, if Tatum's breakout came a season earlier, maybe the need for a first option wouldn't be as urgent. Maybe the C's would then be happy enough to just keep Rozier on like 16m per with the keys to the starting PG. Then there'd be a bit more space to shore up the team in other areas.

[MagicBagley18]

Yeah the Kemba trades are puzzling, agree that Ainge isn’t going to trade the guy a year after choosing Boston, especially with the weird COVID year where he played through injury.

People think the NBA is a video game, not real life with real people involved.

He didn't have a good playoffs. He's a great player. Let's run it back and see what happens next year.

But always look to the future too. He is a great player, but he has flaws, pretty significant ones.

And there comes a point when you have to take a risk. We know we can perform and win without Kemba, we have proved it. We have shown what the teams weaknesses are, so if we are able to improve on those weaknesses while not missing a beat by trading a player, you do it.

Look into the past first.....like ONE year ago when they signed him. The guy played at an all star level, was great for the locker room, great for brown and Tatums development and the team in what was supposed to be a bridge year almost made the finals- with him at 85%.

His positives far outweigh his negatives particularly with teaching 2 young budding stars how to be professionals. It’s just ridiculous for ppl to openly want to trade a huge free agent signing one year later after he had an overall good year

[100proof]

People think the NBA is a video game, not real life with real people involved.

He didn't have a good playoffs. He's a great player. Let's run it back and see what happens next year.

But always look to the future too. He is a great player, but he has flaws, pretty significant ones.

And there comes a point when you have to take a risk. We know we can perform and win without Kemba, we have proved it. We have shown what the teams weaknesses are, so if we are able to improve on those weaknesses while not missing a beat by trading a player, you do it.

Look into the past first.....like ONE year ago when they signed him. The guy played at an all star level, was great for the locker room, great for brown and Tatums development and the team in what was supposed to be a bridge year almost made the finals- with him at 85%.

His positives far outweigh his negatives particularly with teaching 2 young budding stars how to be professionals. It’s just ridiculous for ppl to openly want to trade a huge free agent signing one year later after he had an overall good year

He had a good year, and no one is proposing trading him to make the team worse. And not so sure that Kemba's Weaknesses are "far outweighed" by his positives.

team was 10-5 without him last season

He was a negative against the Heat in that series. In fact for the playoffs themselves:
per game - per 100
19ppg - 26.5ppg
4rpg - 5.5 rpg
5apg - 7.5 apg
44%fg
31% 3fg

Huge negative on defense

To compare to Smart:
per game - per 100
15ppg - 19ppg
5.5rpg - 7rpg
4.5 apg - 6 apg
40%fg
33% 2fg

Game changing defense.,

Obviously Kemba is a superior offensive player to Smart, but not by the same margin that Smart is superior at defense to Kemba.

Smart and Kemba and a basically identical net rating on the season, and Marcus a better post season net rating.

[MagicBagley18]

But always look to the future too. He is a great player, but he has flaws, pretty significant ones.

And there comes a point when you have to take a risk. We know we can perform and win without Kemba, we have proved it. We have shown what the teams weaknesses are, so if we are able to improve on those weaknesses while not missing a beat by trading a player, you do it.

Look into the past first.....like ONE year ago when they signed him. The guy played at an all star level, was great for the locker room, great for brown and Tatums development and the team in what was supposed to be a bridge year almost made the finals- with him at 85%.

His positives far outweigh his negatives particularly with teaching 2 young budding stars how to be professionals. It’s just ridiculous for ppl to openly want to trade a huge free agent signing one year later after he had an overall good year

He had a good year, and no one is proposing trading him to make the team worse. And not so sure that Kemba's Weaknesses are "far outweighed" by his positives.

team was 10-5 without him last season

He was a negative against the Heat in that series. In fact for the playoffs themselves:
per game - per 100
19ppg - 26.5ppg
4rpg - 5.5 rpg
5apg - 7.5 apg
44%fg
31% 3fg

Huge negative on defense

To compare to Smart:
per game - per 100
15ppg - 19ppg
5.5rpg - 7rpg
4.5 apg - 6 apg
40%fg
33% 2fg

Game changing defense.,

Obviously Kemba is a superior offensive player to Smart, but not by the same margin that Smart is superior at defense to Kemba.

Smart and Kemba and a basically identical net rating on the season, and Marcus a better post season net rating.

I don’t care what the record was with him or without him. It’s not smart or kemba we have both and I’m good with that. What was terry roziers record when kyrie was out but our ceiling with kyrie was much higher w him than without (if he wasn’t so toxic). We still had a top defense this year and if we shore up the center position we can overcome kembas shortcomings.

Way too much overreaction to kembas bad playoffs here.

[BostonCouchGM]

it's highly unlikely, but who in God's name would want a 6' defensive liability, with knee problems and who is making $34 million in 20, $36 million in 21 and has a player option for $38 million in 22? It's so bad we can safely kiss our chances at winning a championship goodbye if we don't get rid of him. Even if it costs a 1st and we have to eat a huge contract, it's imperative if we hope to get #18. So let's pretend some other G.M. is as dumb and desperate as Danny. Where could he feasibly go, that doesn't already have a PG, won't be able to land a comparable PG and has the cap space or awful contract to send back?

1) Pistons currently have just Rose and his expiring as a PG. They could draft one but I have a feeling they want to trade up for Wiseman. If they can land Wiseman, maybe they'd send us Blake for Kemba? We'd address a major need and they would too. I'd much rather have Blake at PF, trading Hayward so moving Tatum to SF.

2) Bulls currently don't have a true PG but they DO have Otto Porter's salary and maybe they aren't sold on the PGs in the draft and would rather take a 3? Again this means Hayward needs to be moved but Porter is a legit 3 and D so he can be the guy parked in the corner shooting 3s and Brown can venture out and become more involved in the offense to take some of that playmaking Hayward takes with him.

3) Knicks. If they aren't able to swing a trade to land Westbrook and since they'll likely miss out on the top PGs they want, maybe they're open to trading back to our #14 pick for Kemba and we get their #8 Ntilikina and Randle. Randle is infuriating as a player but I gotta admit that sometimes I feel like he could succeed in Brad's system. But the important thing is getting out of Kemba's contract going forward and we'd move up in the draft. Ntilkina can be that pass first PG (or we draft Haliburton?) with elite defense we really need.

4) Magic are spinning their wheels so maybe they'd be up to swap Kemba for Vucevic? Then they could finally embrace Bamba and a new style of play. We'd be replacing a terrible defensive PG with a worse defensive center but Vuc fits our offense big time. Could work for both teams and we'd get under the luxury tax.

5) Sixers. Don't laugh, but taking Horford back addresses our need for a big and saves $10 million a season keeping us under the luxury cap. We can keep developing Williams behind him but now don't need to use picks on a big so we can take the best Guard or Wing at each of our picks. Horford looked washed but he is meant for Brad's system. PHI was never going to work or be a good fit because Simmons refuses to spread the floor by shooting to keep defenses honest. This would actually be a perfect move for both teams. They need shooting and spacing and they have the defenders to protect Kemba, even more than we do. Anyone up for a reunion?

[100proof]

Look into the past first.....like ONE year ago when they signed him. The guy played at an all star level, was great for the locker room, great for brown and Tatums development and the team in what was supposed to be a bridge year almost made the finals- with him at 85%.

His positives far outweigh his negatives particularly with teaching 2 young budding stars how to be professionals. It’s just ridiculous for ppl to openly want to trade a huge free agent signing one year later after he had an overall good year

He had a good year, and no one is proposing trading him to make the team worse. And not so sure that Kemba's Weaknesses are "far outweighed" by his positives.

team was 10-5 without him last season

He was a negative against the Heat in that series. In fact for the playoffs themselves:
per game - per 100
19ppg - 26.5ppg
4rpg - 5.5 rpg
5apg - 7.5 apg
44%fg
31% 3fg

Huge negative on defense

To compare to Smart:
per game - per 100
15ppg - 19ppg
5.5rpg - 7rpg
4.5 apg - 6 apg
40%fg
33% 2fg

Game changing defense.,

Obviously Kemba is a superior offensive player to Smart, but not by the same margin that Smart is superior at defense to Kemba.

Smart and Kemba and a basically identical net rating on the season, and Marcus a better post season net rating.

I don’t care what the record was with him or without him. It’s not smart or kemba we have both and I’m good with that. What was terry roziers record when kyrie was out but our ceiling with kyrie was much higher w him than without (if he wasn’t so toxic). We still had a top defense this year and if we shore up the center position we can overcome kembas shortcomings.

Way too much overreaction to kembas bad playoffs here.

Kyries numners and our record with Kyrie were both much better than with Terry, so that is not a good arguement

We had a great dedense this year, and yes we need to make the center positon better, and we can do so with middling koves that might take yeaes to pan out or we can take and deal kemba for an immediate, larger upgrade to talent.

We are lucky to have smart, and smart has proven he can be the starting guard as opposed to kemba. That means we have the ability to trade kemba to improve the team.

Nothing to do with playoffs (although he was a dissapointment defensively. He was attacked alot and was pretty exposed and did not make up for it on the other side of the court)

[MagicBagley18]

He had a good year, and no one is proposing trading him to make the team worse. And not so sure that Kemba's Weaknesses are "far outweighed" by his positives.

team was 10-5 without him last season

He was a negative against the Heat in that series. In fact for the playoffs themselves:
per game - per 100
19ppg - 26.5ppg
4rpg - 5.5 rpg
5apg - 7.5 apg
44%fg
31% 3fg

Huge negative on defense

To compare to Smart:
per game - per 100
15ppg - 19ppg
5.5rpg - 7rpg
4.5 apg - 6 apg
40%fg
33% 2fg

Game changing defense.,

Obviously Kemba is a superior offensive player to Smart, but not by the same margin that Smart is superior at defense to Kemba.

Smart and Kemba and a basically identical net rating on the season, and Marcus a better post season net rating.

I don’t care what the record was with him or without him. It’s not smart or kemba we have both and I’m good with that. What was terry roziers record when kyrie was out but our ceiling with kyrie was much higher w him than without (if he wasn’t so toxic). We still had a top defense this year and if we shore up the center position we can overcome kembas shortcomings.

Way too much overreaction to kembas bad playoffs here.

Kyries numners and our record with Kyrie were both much better than with Terry, so that is not a good arguement

We had a great dedense this year, and yes we need to make the center positon better, and we can do so with middling koves that might take yeaes to pan out or we can take and deal kemba for an immediate, larger upgrade to talent.

We are lucky to have smart, and smart has proven he can be the starting guard as opposed to kemba. That means we have the ability to trade kemba to improve the team.

Nothing to do with playoffs (although he was a dissapointment defensively. He was attacked alot and was pretty exposed and did not make up for it on the other side of the court)

The point is that we had people who thought we were better then too without kyrie if stats /record/ metrics were or weren’t always reflecting that. I love smart he’s the heart and soul of the team- I like him way better either off the bench getting starter minutes often or as a starting 2 if needed like in the post season.

Don’t want him as my 82 game starting point guard making all the decisions, running an offense, and initiating everything- unless I have real stud lineup w an mvp or super team.

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