Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[Triple7]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

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I don’t like roberson. That guy’s shooting is horrible. I think brown can be as good defensively if he tried.

Roberson was the best perimeter defender the game has seen in the last 5 years. Brown could never be that level. Roberson is coming back injured though and he may never get back to that level.

Regardless, this trade was more for the others.

He’s very good defensively, but because of his poor shooting, he’s become a liability especially at close games in crunch time. and he’s never been healthy the past 2 years now. I like gallo and adams though.

[williambh3]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

Variations of this have been thrown around since the george trade. I like the fit but don’t like the value on this version. My take is that adams is a like the player hate the contract guy (like last year hayward). Near max for a limited o, good but not transformative d center in this market for centers is a problem.

For me adams/hayward is a wash value-wise, then it becomes smart/langford for gallo/roberson which is obviously a non-starter, particularly without any evidence roberson will be healthy. I like gallo a lot though.

[zimpy27]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

Variations of this have been thrown around since the george trade. I like the fit but don’t like the value on this version. My take is that adams is a like the player hate the contract guy (like last year hayward). Near max for a limited o, good but not transformative d center in this market for centers is a problem.

For me adams/hayward is a wash value-wise, then it becomes smart/langford for gallo/roberson which is obviously a non-starter, particularly without any evidence roberson will be healthy. I like gallo a lot though.

Gallo and Roberson is definitely better than Smart and Langford. Celtics bring in better players and OKC get younger and save $10m.

Would you prefer to give up G Will over Langford?

[RickyDizzle]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

m

I don’t like roberson. That guy’s shooting is horrible. I think brown can be as good defensively if he tried.

Roberson was the best perimeter defender the game has seen in the last 5 years. Brown could never be that level. Roberson is coming back injured though and he may never get back to that level.

Regardless, this trade was more for the others.

Umm Robertsons a plus defender, sure, but hes not a better perimeter defender than smart. Gallo is not a better player than Hayward and Steven Adams is a ten million dollar player being paid close to 30....

[Bohemian]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

Sorry, but brutally bad trade. You get rid of the soul of the team and its best defender. Then the second best player who happens to be an all star and can be your offense generator. Also you get rid of your best rookie. In exchange you get a fragile and limited forward in Gallo, an ok defender in Roberson and a good center in a time when centers are less and less relevant. A big NO to this IMO

[Ballerhogger]

Big Deal for Beal
Jaylen Brown
Langford
Marcus Smart
Memphis 2020 first rounder
Your own first rounder =

Bradley Beal

A great move to stay with Sixers , bucks , Nets for next two years .

[Turgon]

Big Deal for Beal
Jaylen Brown
Langford
Marcus Smart
Memphis 2020 first rounder
Your own first rounder =

Bradley Beal

A great move to stay with Sixers , bucks , Nets for next two years .

Awful deal. Doesn't address our main problems (the forward positions) and we would only have 12 guys under contract and no money to sign more except for the minimum. Also, our bench would be the worst in the NBA - even worse than the sixers.

[Theocy]

Big Deal for Beal
Jaylen Brown
Langford
Marcus Smart
Memphis 2020 first rounder
Your own first rounder =

Bradley Beal

A great move to stay with Sixers , bucks , Nets for next two years .

You re probably giving all that to get Anthony Davis (well a few addons needed). Not Beal.

[cloverleaf]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

This i agree. Get bigger.

I agree on balancing the roster, but Griffin is too much of an immediate and injury-risk solution for a Celtics roster that otherwise probably isn't ripe anyway, given what the C's would likely be giving up.

[MagicBagley18]

Andre Roberson and Blake griffin....we aren’t in peak silly season, we’ve entered complete nutsoville

[gocelts]

I thought I was going to get flagged when I suggested we take a flier on Dwight last week.

Can't believe how much worse we've regressed.

[Elrod is Back]

Here is a truly crazy idea: Let's stand pat and make no deals. Let this group of guys play together and let Brad coach them.

All the guys we are talking about trading can get a lot better--Hayward (due to injury recovery), Smart, Brown, Langford, Memphis no. 1 pick. All the guys we are talking about getting have peaked or are close to peaking. None of these deals make us a champion, they at best keep us in very high mediocrity for years and prevent our having any additional moves.

Romeo Langford as a toss-in? To get Roberson? WTF? Langford might suck but he damned well could develop into a Joe Johnson. Right now no one has any idea. Why trade all the upside for guys who have plateaued and whose careers are are soon to be flat-lining?

Here is the cold truth: we are not winning the NBA title in 2020. Not happening, though we can all fantasize about it, as fans will do. The coming season is all about developing the young talent as much as possible, building cohesiveness, making the playoffs and kicking ass for as long as possible. It is 2017 or 2018 redux, except we have a lot more talented young guys to coach up and assess, and some truly exciting young veterans, like Brown and Tatum and Smart. By May of 2020 we will have a much much better idea of what these kids can do and what this team needs to win a title.

The chemistry on this team is pointed in the right direction. Let's sit back and relax, enjoy the games and come up for air in the spring. No need at all for a roster reshuffle right now, and we are not negotiating from strength.

[Triple7]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

This i agree. Get bigger.

I agree on balancing the roster, but Griffin is too much of an immediate and injury-risk solution for a Celtics roster that otherwise probably isn't ripe anyway, given what the C's would likely be giving up.

Nobody in their right mind would trade for Griffin. I don’t like roberson as well. That guy can’t shoot, and would just be a specialist on defense, which isn’t that really impressive to begin with. I also think that hayward would be back to his old form this season, so ill pass on Gallo as well.

[jmr07019]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

This i agree. Get bigger.

I agree on balancing the roster, but Griffin is too much of an immediate and injury-risk solution for a Celtics roster that otherwise probably isn't ripe anyway, given what the C's would likely be giving up.

Hayward is just as risky if not more so. At least Griffin can still produce. He was an all star last year. We don’t know if Hayward if will ever approach all star level of play again.

[cloverleaf]

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This i agree. Get bigger.

I agree on balancing the roster, but Griffin is too much of an immediate and injury-risk solution for a Celtics roster that otherwise probably isn't ripe anyway, given what the C's would likely be giving up.

Hayward is just as risky if not more so. At least Griffin can still produce. He was an all star last year. We don’t know if Hayward if will ever approach all star level of play again.

Hayward can opt out after a year, but I really see no reason to expect Hayward won't be pretty much back to his old level at least by late next season. He's right on track.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

m

I don’t like roberson. That guy’s shooting is horrible. I think brown can be as good defensively if he tried.

Roberson was the best perimeter defender the game has seen in the last 5 years. Brown could never be that level. Roberson is coming back injured though and he may never get back to that level.

Regardless, this trade was more for the others.

Roberson hasnt played in a year and half due to a devastating injury [torn patellar tendon] and multiple subsequent re-aggravations. Counting on him to be anything is a fools errand— he’s straight dead salary.

[cloverleaf]

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This i agree. Get bigger.

I agree on balancing the roster, but Griffin is too much of an immediate and injury-risk solution for a Celtics roster that otherwise probably isn't ripe anyway, given what the C's would likely be giving up.

Nobody in their right mind would trade for Griffin. I don’t like roberson as well. That guy can’t shoot, and would just be a specialist on defense, which isn’t that really impressive to begin with. I also think that hayward would be back to his old form this season, so ill pass on Gallo as well.

I totally agree.

[brackdan70]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

Variations of this have been thrown around since the george trade. I like the fit but don’t like the value on this version. My take is that adams is a like the player hate the contract guy (like last year hayward). Near max for a limited o, good but not transformative d center in this market for centers is a problem.

For me adams/hayward is a wash value-wise, then it becomes smart/langford for gallo/roberson which is obviously a non-starter, particularly without any evidence roberson will be healthy. I like gallo a lot though.

Gallo and Roberson is definitely better than Smart and Langford. Celtics bring in better players and OKC get younger and save $10m.

Would you prefer to give up G Will over Langford?

I don’t think sending smart out in a trade that doesn’t do much for the Cs is at all a good idea. Roberson is dead money and Gallo had a career year last year, that he is unlikely to replicate. Smart is far more valuable.

This trade is balancing but does not make the Cs better IMO.

[sam_I_am]

I agree on balancing the roster, but Griffin is too much of an immediate and injury-risk solution for a Celtics roster that otherwise probably isn't ripe anyway, given what the C's would likely be giving up.

Hayward is just as risky if not more so. At least Griffin can still produce. He was an all star last year. We don’t know if Hayward if will ever approach all star level of play again.

Hayward can opt out after a year, but I really see no reason to expect Hayward won't be pretty much back to his old level at least by late next season. He's right on track.

I agree with you however, I could see Hayward plus a non Memphis pick or 2 for Gallo/Adams. From value standpoint, we should be getting picks but if OKC doesn’t get pick from us they would look elsewhere as they know Hayward is a rental.

I only see this happening if Tatum/Brown/Langford/Smart are playing well enough to make Hayward an expensive luxury AND the Celtics have an unexpected but legitimate shot at winning the East.

[Tiny ball]

Here is a truly crazy idea: Let's stand pat and make no deals. Let this group of guys play together and let Brad coach them.

All the guys we are talking about trading can get a lot better--Hayward (due to injury recovery), Smart, Brown, Langford, Memphis no. 1 pick. All the guys we are talking about getting have peaked or are close to peaking. None of these deals make us a champion, they at best keep us in very high mediocrity for years and prevent our having any additional moves.

Romeo Langford as a toss-in? To get Roberson? WTF? Langford might suck but he damned well could develop into a Joe Johnson. Right now no one has any idea. Why trade all the upside for guys who have plateaued and whose careers are are soon to be flat-lining?

Here is the cold truth: we are not winning the NBA title in 2020. Not happening, though we can all fantasize about it, as fans will do. The coming season is all about developing the young talent as much as possible, building cohesiveness, making the playoffs and kicking ass for as long as possible. It is 2017 or 2018 redux, except we have a lot more talented young guys to coach up and assess, and some truly exciting young veterans, like Brown and Tatum and Smart. By May of 2020 we will have a much much better idea of what these kids can do and what this team needs to win a title.

The chemistry on this team is pointed in the right direction. Let's sit back and relax, enjoy the games and come up for air in the spring. No need at all for a roster reshuffle right now, and we are not negotiating from strength.

I think you are about right. I'm all for getting rid of Smart though at trade deadline for a power forward.