Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Smart is not the Celtics best playmaker what are you smoking. He constantly misses good reads and throws inaccurate passes. Sure he makes a flashy pass once every other game, but he more than makes up for that by turning the ball over, making bad decisions (usually for individual hero ball).
Smart lacks the court vision and skills to be an effective playmaker that's why his impact is hard capped.

Smart had the highest assist/turnover ratio on the team. Also led the team in assists during the regular season. But go ahead and keep telling us otherwise.

[GoGreen]

Smart is not the Celtics best playmaker what are you smoking. He constantly misses good reads and throws inaccurate passes. Sure he makes a flashy pass once every other game, but he more than makes up for that by turning the ball over, making bad decisions (usually for individual hero ball).
Smart lacks the court vision and skills to be an effective playmaker that's why his impact is hard capped.

With you 100%. Never been a huge fan of Marcus Smart the basketball player. Seems like a great person, though. Regardless, I'd certainly trade him if the deal was right.

[100proof]

Smart is not the Celtics best playmaker what are you smoking. He constantly misses good reads and throws inaccurate passes. Sure he makes a flashy pass once every other game, but he more than makes up for that by turning the ball over, making bad decisions (usually for individual hero ball).
Smart lacks the court vision and skills to be an effective playmaker that's why his impact is hard capped.

Its closer than you think.

per 100 possessions
Smart - 9.7 assists
Kemba - 7.4 assists
Hayward - 5.7
Tatum - 4.3

Assist %
Kemba - 24.2
Smart - 21.1
Hayward - 18.7
Tatum - 14.5

Turnovers
Kemba - 3.2
Smart - 2.6
Hayward - 2.7
Tatum - 3.3

Turnover%
Kemba - 10.2
Smart - 12.1
Hayward - 11.2
Tatum - 10.5

It can easily be argued that Smart is the teams best playmaker.

[BK_2020]

Assist turnover ratio is an absurdly poor way to measure playmaking ability. Smart can make a hundred bad plays--passes that miss best reads or passes that are off target or late or trying to score when he should pass and passing when he should try to score--and still keep his ratio as long as there's no turnover.
Literally just watch Smart play and do the wrong thing almost every time.

[Feed Your Head]

Assist turnover ratio is an absurdly poor way to measure playmaking ability. Smart can make a hundred bad plays--passes that miss best reads or passes that are off target or late or trying to score when he should pass and passing when he should try to score--and still keep his ratio as long as there's no turnover.
Literally just watch Smart play and do the wrong thing almost every time.

Man this is a throwback to the nonsensical Smart/Rozier debates. “Do the wrong thing almost every time” is lazy ass hyperbole, and instantly invalidates anything you said.

[leper-con]

Wiggins and the #2 for HArden. Will Houston get a better deal than that? GState can also throw in some other picks.

Kemba and HAyward for HArden or Wiggins and the #2 pick , which is greater value?

[tfribs45]

Smart is not the Celtics best playmaker what are you smoking. He constantly misses good reads and throws inaccurate passes. Sure he makes a flashy pass once every other game, but he more than makes up for that by turning the ball over, making bad decisions (usually for individual hero ball).
Smart lacks the court vision and skills to be an effective playmaker that's why his impact is hard capped.

Smart had the highest assist/turnover ratio on the team. Also led the team in assists during the regular season. But go ahead and keep telling us otherwise.

Aweeee the Cobra haters are out again.... This is mind boggling. Marcus is one of our leaders and we don't even sniff the ECF without him this past season. He's the Draymond Green, Bruce Bowen to the C's. ridiculous to think otherwise

[BK_2020]

Smart is nowhere near Draymond don't be ludicrous. Bigs impact the game with their defense far more than 6'3 guards and Draymond is a genius passer.
Just because Marcus likes to shout and get angry doesn't make him the leader. You can't be serious. All stars are not leaning on Marcus freaking Smart to tell them how to play good.

[ConstableGeneva]

Wiggins and the #2 for HArden. Will Houston get a better deal than that? GState can also throw in some other picks.

Kemba and HAyward for HArden or Wiggins and the #2 pick , which is greater value?

Otto Porter, Jr.'s expiring, Coby White, and #4 from Bulls is a better offer. Just don't know if Chicago would want to do that or just continue with their slow-build.

Whatever future picks Dubs add, Bulls can match. They can even absorb Eric Gordon's contract if need be.

[100proof]

Assist turnover ratio is an absurdly poor way to measure playmaking ability. Smart can make a hundred bad plays--passes that miss best reads or passes that are off target or late or trying to score when he should pass and passing when he should try to score--and still keep his ratio as long as there's no turnover.
Literally just watch Smart play and do the wrong thing almost every time.

Assist percentage
turnover percentage

assists/100
turnovers/100

That is literally the best way to measure someone's ability as a playmaker.

[100proof]

Smart is nowhere near Draymond don't be ludicrous. Bigs impact the game with their defense far more than 6'3 guards and Draymond is a genius passer.
Just because Marcus likes to shout and get angry doesn't make him the leader. You can't be serious. All stars are not leaning on Marcus freaking Smart to tell them how to play good.

I went back through the last page and I see no one talking about Draymond and Smart.

And if they did it is due to the "Heart" Factor.

Smart has it in spades, and while Draymond is a better passer, smart is a superior 3pt shooter and is a genius defender.

Have you not watched any games the last couple seasons? Marcus wins games with Defense.

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And what allstars are leaning on Green to tell them how to play good? Durant? Curry?

[playa-hater]

My 2 cents on Smart.. he is both over rated and under rated !!! some have him way too high while others way to low..

[Darth Celtic]

Here is an article about sign and trades. Please understand how they work when posting trade ideas.

If the player who is being signed and traded is getting a huge raise, he's most likely BYC making it almost unworkable in the CBA.
Also, the team who accepts the sign and trade player is hard capped and can't go over tax apron about 6m over tax line for the entire season.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare-2.html

Now think about trade kickers, how they work, and how hard they made trades. Gordon, Kanter, and Kemba have 15% trade kickers.

Kanter no big deal, the other two is a big chunk of money which makes it hard to match salaries in outgoing trades unless they agree to waive some or all of it.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/nba-players-with-trade-kickers-in-201920.html

you don't have to do it, and i'm not the trade police, but if we can check the cba (not all trade checkers look for this stuff, most don't allow for sign and trades) it would make the thread more readable.

[themoneyteam2]

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[djFan71]

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This is why I think trades to SAC type destinations are out. But, IND, GSW, maybe DAL he could agree to opt-in/extend early. But he has control where goes (if anywhere) on draft day. After opt-in day, the control is all back to Danny, though. So, working together behooves both sides - if a trade is actually the plan.

[100proof]

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That changes nothing, as that just means one team is picking for another team prior to an official trade happening

That happens alot.

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That changes nothing, as that just means one team is picking for another team prior to an official trade happening

That happens alot.

But this is different because at the time of the draft it won't be known if Hayward is even going to be available for a trade. What happens if a team agrees to a trade, the draft picks are made for the other team, and then Hayward opts out? The trade is off and one or both team ended up with players from the draft they didn't necessarily want.

[100proof]

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That changes nothing, as that just means one team is picking for another team prior to an official trade happening

That happens alot.

But this is different because at the time of the draft it won't be known if Hayward is even going to be available for a trade. What happens if a team agrees to a trade, the draft picks are made for the other team, and then Hayward opts out? The trade is off and one or both team ended up with players from the draft they didn't necessarily want.

Yup, its plausible, but chances are there is a wink wink in place with confirmation of an agreement to opt in or out etc.

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That changes nothing, as that just means one team is picking for another team prior to an official trade happening

That happens alot.

But this is different because at the time of the draft it won't be known if Hayward is even going to be available for a trade. What happens if a team agrees to a trade, the draft picks are made for the other team, and then Hayward opts out? The trade is off and one or both team ended up with players from the draft they didn't necessarily want.

Yup, its plausible, but chances are there is a wink wink in place with confirmation of an agreement to opt in or out etc.

Yes, if Hayward is on board a trade is possible. But he might as well just opt-in at that point instead of doing a wink deal.

I guess it's fair to say that a trade involving Hayward and 2020 draft picks is possible, but it requires Hayward to want to do it. So if you add that caveat, you can continue to propose those kinds of trades.

[djFan71]

That changes nothing, as that just means one team is picking for another team prior to an official trade happening

That happens alot.

But this is different because at the time of the draft it won't be known if Hayward is even going to be available for a trade. What happens if a team agrees to a trade, the draft picks are made for the other team, and then Hayward opts out? The trade is off and one or both team ended up with players from the draft they didn't necessarily want.

Yup, its plausible, but chances are there is a wink wink in place with confirmation of an agreement to opt in or out etc.

Semantics, but it wouldn't be wink wink. He can/would opt in before the draft for a trade if he was on board. He just doesn't HAVE to until the deadline after the draft. But to make a trade happen he would.

So, if you can justify why he'd agree to opt in early to go somewhere, we can still 2k the **** out of Hayward trades.