Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard!

[BK_2020]

Why can’t he be a Seth Curry lite type player? Same size and “lite” because he’s not the shooter Seth is, but before this year a plus shooter and at 40% for his young career. A little better on defense and rebounds and a little more play making too. Is the shooting that much of a difference that he couldn’t make up for it other places?

Because Pritchard isn't better on defense or playmaking, and rebounds for 6'0 guards is just irrelevant, all it measures is when the ball bounced your way. Even if Pritchard is theoretically better in these areas (and he's not), that's not going to make up for Seth Curry being one of top 20 all time best shooters ever in the history of pro basketball and Pritchard struggling to shoot 32% in the playoffs or 33% this season, and that's when he can get a shot off, which is a rare occurrence with his slow and low release.

[Wes-J]

Why can’t he be a Seth Curry lite type player? Same size and “lite” because he’s not the shooter Seth is, but before this year a plus shooter and at 40% for his young career. A little better on defense and rebounds and a little more play making too. Is the shooting that much of a difference that he couldn’t make up for it other places?

Because Pritchard isn't better on defense or playmaking, and rebounds for 6'0 guards is just irrelevant, all it measures is when the ball bounced your way. Even if Pritchard is theoretically better in these areas (and he's not), that's not going to make up for Seth Curry being one of top 20 all time best shooters ever in the history of pro basketball and Pritchard struggling to shoot 32% in the playoffs or 33% this season, and that's when he can get a shot off, which is a rare occurrence with his slow and low release.

Not that I'm some PP fan boy, but to be fair he's a career 40% three point shooter, .398 to be exact. Those other seasons count too. His numbers are down this year but so are the minutes, not by a little, but a lot. He's a rhythm guy, the shooting slump is not surprising. Many cases he doesn't even play at all, especially when we're squadded up.

You can't bash Payton for his woes in one sentence and then in the next excuse your boy Hauser who gets the cleaner looks.

[BK_2020]

Why can’t he be a Seth Curry lite type player? Same size and “lite” because he’s not the shooter Seth is, but before this year a plus shooter and at 40% for his young career. A little better on defense and rebounds and a little more play making too. Is the shooting that much of a difference that he couldn’t make up for it other places?

Because Pritchard isn't better on defense or playmaking, and rebounds for 6'0 guards is just irrelevant, all it measures is when the ball bounced your way. Even if Pritchard is theoretically better in these areas (and he's not), that's not going to make up for Seth Curry being one of top 20 all time best shooters ever in the history of pro basketball and Pritchard struggling to shoot 32% in the playoffs or 33% this season, and that's when he can get a shot off, which is a rare occurrence with his slow and low release.

Not that I'm some PP fan boy, but to be fair he's a career 40% three point shooter, .398 to be exact. Those other seasons count too. His numbers are down this year but so are the minutes, not by a little, but a lot. He's a rhythm guy, the shooting slump is not surprising. Many cases he doesn't even play at all, especially when we're squadded up.

You can't bash Payton for his woes in one sentence and then in the next excuse your boy Hauser who gets the cleaner looks.

I'm a little suspicious of shooting numbers from 2020-21. Anecdotal but so many poor to average 3 point shooters really lit it up in that anomalous season--Saddiq Bey, Dubious Handle, one of Lebron's best 3 point seasons, Jaylen Brown, etc.
Of course Pritchard shot well in 21-22 but that's only one regular season for track record to weigh against the playoffs and this season.

[shackles10]

That’s why it’s “Seth lite”. He’s never been a good playmaker either with his career high 3.6 assists in 33 minutes per game.

[BostonCouchGM]

That’s why it’s “Seth lite”. He’s never been a good playmaker either with his career high 3.6 assists in 33 minutes per game.

because the Celtics play him off ball as a 6'1" SG instead of letting him run the offense. He's better than Seth Curry in every single aspect of basketball except maybe 3 pt shooting, by a considerable amount. Man I hope he gets traded. We don't deserve him.

[BostonCouchGM]

Why can’t he be a Seth Curry lite type player? Same size and “lite” because he’s not the shooter Seth is, but before this year a plus shooter and at 40% for his young career. A little better on defense and rebounds and a little more play making too. Is the shooting that much of a difference that he couldn’t make up for it other places?

You're saying Pritchard is better on defense than Seth Curry? No way. Especially not Seth Curry when he was younger and in his prime..

yes, by A LOT too. Seth is a garbage defender. Pritchard holds his own with lots of effort. It's not even a comparison.

[Floody100]

because the Celtics play him off ball as a 6'1" SG instead of letting him run the offense. He's better than Seth Curry in every single aspect of basketball except maybe 3 pt shooting, by a considerable amount. Man I hope he gets traded. We don't deserve him.

yes, by A LOT too. Seth is a garbage defender. Pritchard holds his own with lots of effort. It's not even a comparison.

[shackles10]

That’s why it’s “Seth lite”. He’s never been a good playmaker either with his career high 3.6 assists in 33 minutes per game.

because the Celtics play him off ball as a 6'1" SG instead of letting him run the offense. He's better than Seth Curry in every single aspect of basketball except maybe 3 pt shooting, by a considerable amount. Man I hope he gets traded. We don't deserve him.

I meant Seth has never been a good playmaker and those were Seth’s numbers.

[ThePigeon]

Currently I would trade a dog and two cats for PP
He is unplayable in a playoff situation and a liability in a switching defense in the playoff (where the play is smarter and aggressive)

If you need someone to eat minutes in the regular season - play JD
And I would trade PP for Seth Curry in a flash. They are not even close

[Hal14]

This is why Brad kept him on the team instead of trading him.

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[BK_2020]

This is why Brad kept him on the team instead of trading him.

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He probably kept him because no one wanted to trade for him.

[Wes-J]

This is why Brad kept him on the team instead of trading him.

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He probably kept him because no one wanted to trade for him.

Actually weren't there reports of him being shopped for Poetl at least?

[playa-hater]

It is not often PP gets steady playing time, but when he does, he tends to play very well. It's like no one realizes that steady time = success.

So on that note, look at Cam Thomas. He finally had a chance to start and play a ton.. he came up with 43, 47 and 44 point games (on really high shooting pcts) Now he is back to the bench, playing 14 minutes and currently shooting 2-8 at the time of this post..

what a scrub!

[BK_2020]

It is not often PP gets steady playing time, but when he does, he tends to play very well. It's like no one realizes that steady time = success.

So on that note, look at Cam Thomas. He finally had a chance to start and play a ton.. he came up with 43, 47 and 44 point games (on really high shooting pcts) Now he is back to the bench, playing 14 minutes and currently shooting 2-8 at the time of this post..

what a scrub!

Payton Pritchard is 6/20 in the 2 games he's played more than 30 minutes. He's 3 for 13 from the three in those 2 games.
In the 4 games he's played between 20-30 minutes, he's 1/6 and 1/3 from the three in two of them, 4/7 and 4/6 in the other.
Basically 4 out of 6 games he's played more than 20 minutes, he's sucked really hard.

[ballup]

It is not often PP gets steady playing time, but when he does, he tends to play very well. It's like no one realizes that steady time = success.

So on that note, look at Cam Thomas. He finally had a chance to start and play a ton.. he came up with 43, 47 and 44 point games (on really high shooting pcts) Now he is back to the bench, playing 14 minutes and currently shooting 2-8 at the time of this post..

what a scrub!

Payton Pritchard is 6/20 in the 2 games he's played more than 30 minutes. He's 3 for 13 from the three in those 2 games.
In the 4 games he's played between 20-30 minutes, he's 1/6 and 1/3 from the three in two of them, 4/7 and 4/6 in the other.
Basically 4 out of 6 games he's played more than 20 minutes, he's sucked really hard.

Steady doesn't mean 20+ mpg. It means playing every game for a consistent time. No one is banging the "Pritchard should play heavy minutes" drum. Simply not being yanked around extremes of garbage time and heavy rotation player allows players to be consistent.



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[BK_2020]

Simply not being yanked around extremes of garbage time and heavy rotation player allows players to be consistent.

Consistency is a function of sample size. As sample size increases, the actual observed value will approach the true value. There is no proof that playing same or similar minutes every game makes you more consistent. A player playing 3 minutes per game every game is still going to face the same variability on each discrete shooting event, which for someone like Pritchard is about 33% on his threes if he's lucky to get a shot off in 3 minutes.

Not ignoring the boost you get from starting/ playing and getting into rhythm. We know that that's a real thing from studies in baseball comparing pinch hitting to starting. But it's marginal and in any case Pritchard is never going to be a starter and if he is, the boost he gets from rhythm is simply obliterated by having to play against better defenders.

[hugepatsfan]

I think Pritchard is good enough to be playing 15-20 minutes for some team night in and night out, with more minutes if someone is hurt. Not saying he is a standout player, but not ever team has standout players as their 7th/8th/9th man.

Instead, he's playing here where he's only getting those 15-20 minutes when someone is hurt. It's just being knocked down a level on the depth chart.

He doesn't deserve to play more on this team because the guys ahead of him are better and thus he belongs exactly where he is on the depth chart. But it's totally normal for him to want to be on a team where he can move up the depth chart and he's good enough to have that out there for him.

I think the problem with trading him for Stevens, honestly more so than anything on the court, was his salary. At $2.2M you just can't match on anyone meaningful with him. Reports keep sayin git's expected he's moved this offseason and I think a big part of that is the jump to over $4M allows for easier aggregation of salaries so the return can be something worthwhile for us.

[playa-hater]

It is not often PP gets steady playing time, but when he does, he tends to play very well. It's like no one realizes that steady time = success.

So on that note, look at Cam Thomas. He finally had a chance to start and play a ton.. he came up with 43, 47 and 44 point games (on really high shooting pcts) Now he is back to the bench, playing 14 minutes and currently shooting 2-8 at the time of this post..

what a scrub!

Payton Pritchard is 6/20 in the 2 games he's played more than 30 minutes. He's 3 for 13 from the three in those 2 games.
In the 4 games he's played between 20-30 minutes, he's 1/6 and 1/3 from the three in two of them, 4/7 and 4/6 in the other.
Basically 4 out of 6 games he's played more than 20 minutes, he's sucked really hard.

Steady doesn't mean 20+ mpg. It means playing every game for a consistent time. No one is banging the "Pritchard should play heavy minutes" drum. Simply not being yanked around extremes of garbage time and heavy rotation player allows players to be consistent.



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This is exactly what I meant and it should mean.

[ballup]

Simply not being yanked around extremes of garbage time and heavy rotation player allows players to be consistent.

Consistency is a function of sample size. As sample size increases, the actual observed value will approach the true value. There is no proof that playing same or similar minutes every game makes you more consistent. A player playing 3 minutes per game every game is still going to face the same variability on each discrete shooting event, which for someone like Pritchard is about 33% on his threes if he's lucky to get a shot off in 3 minutes.

Not ignoring the boost you get from starting/ playing and getting into rhythm. We know that that's a real thing from studies in baseball comparing pinch hitting to starting. But it's marginal and in any case Pritchard is never going to be a starter and if he is, the boost he gets from rhythm is simply obliterated by having to play against better defenders.

This is some blog boi crap. Pritchard was shooting 41% on threes in his first two seasons. Even if you took his career average, it's still significantly higher than the dishonest bs you put out. Baseball isn't a 1:1 comparison to basketball, which has many more variables. Get outta here with that.

Playing garbage time is meaningless for stat evaluation. It's a period of no stakes and a bunch of players trying to prove themselves rather than play the flow of the game. It has extremely variable results unless someone clearly is tiers above in talent. Payton is a 4th guard and he's only solid overall with a couple of strengths. He's not going to stand out. Hell, even practice scrimmages are better to evaluate players as at least the starters and bench players are mixed.

Payton was playing against bench and starters in his first two seasons. Anyone who actually watches the team and not a single player could see that he belongd in the NBA as a rotation player

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[BK_2020]

Simply not being yanked around extremes of garbage time and heavy rotation player allows players to be consistent.

Consistency is a function of sample size. As sample size increases, the actual observed value will approach the true value. There is no proof that playing same or similar minutes every game makes you more consistent. A player playing 3 minutes per game every game is still going to face the same variability on each discrete shooting event, which for someone like Pritchard is about 33% on his threes if he's lucky to get a shot off in 3 minutes.

Not ignoring the boost you get from starting/ playing and getting into rhythm. We know that that's a real thing from studies in baseball comparing pinch hitting to starting. But it's marginal and in any case Pritchard is never going to be a starter and if he is, the boost he gets from rhythm is simply obliterated by having to play against better defenders.

This is some blog boi crap. Pritchard was shooting 41% on threes in his first two seasons. Even if you took his career average, it's still significantly higher than the dishonest bs you put out. Baseball isn't a 1:1 comparison to basketball, which has many more variables. Get outta here with that.

Playing garbage time is meaningless for stat evaluation. It's a period of no stakes and a bunch of players trying to prove themselves rather than play the flow of the game. It has extremely variable results unless someone clearly is tiers above in talent. Payton is a 4th guard and he's only solid overall with a couple of strengths. He's not going to stand out. Hell, even practice scrimmages are better to evaluate players as at least the starters and bench players are mixed.

Payton was playing against bench and starters in his first two seasons. Anyone who actually watches the team and not a single player could see that he belongd in the NBA as a rotation player

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Someone who watches the games would know that Pritchard struggles to get a shot off if the defense cares to stop him. Why do you think his 3pt% is so low in the playoffs? A bad player doesn't become a good player by playing a lot. All that happens is the team gets worse. Look at Aaron Nesmith now that he's getting regular minutes. He sucks.