"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Celts17Pride]

People are going to feel so dirty, disgusted and depressed that they spent so much time in these trade threads when the trade deadline passes and Danny Ainge does absolutely nothing.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

So ideal scenario for me is we get Barnes using Thompson/2021 1st/non-Nesmith, non-Langford youngin. Then sign LMA as buyout big.

Curious if you (and others) consider Thompson as net negative, neutral, or positive when making these proposals. Also wonder if that opinion changes regarding his worth around the league if he is shopped in the off-season.

Net neutral for us and slightly positive in some games. SAC might not want him so a third (playoffs-bound) team who is looking for a backup big could take him off our hands. He'll be easier to move in the offseason.

You can replace "ideal" with "fantasy."

Yeah but brads basic system doest know how to use bugs like him. The minute he goes somewhere else he'll look.better. (see kanter)

[zoyathedestroya]

So ideal scenario for me is we get Barnes using Thompson/2021 1st/non-Nesmith, non-Langford youngin. Then sign LMA as buyout big.

Could be wrong, but Brad basically admitted the big were trading is Theis based on PT and his post-game comments about going down to 2 bigs.

Theis is better than TT. But he’ll want more than we’ll offer next year due to the tax. And I still think Ainge made an under the table promise with TT.

Yep, you could be wrong. Read SMTBSI's take on this. It's on a couple of threads. We'll find out soon enough. 10 days!

[zoyathedestroya]

Curious if you (and others) consider Thompson as net negative, neutral, or positive when making these proposals. Also wonder if that opinion changes regarding his worth around the league if he is shopped in the off-season.

Net neutral for us and slightly positive in some games. SAC might not want him so a third (playoffs-bound) team who is looking for a backup big could take him off our hands. He'll be easier to move in the offseason.

You can replace "ideal" with "fantasy."

Yeah but brads basic system doest know how to use bugs like him. The minute he goes somewhere else he'll look.better. (see kanter)

This is a myth. He's the exact same player for us. If anything, he was better, impact-wise, in BOS, than this season in POR.





The only reason Kanter is putting up those numbers is because he's playing a ton of minutes and is starting. He won't be if Nurkic and Collins were healthy.

Blazers are doing well mainly because Dame kicks ass and is an MVP candidate. We don't have anyone like him.

[Fencer reregistered]

People are going to feel so dirty, disgusted and depressed that they spent so much time in these trade threads when the trade deadline passes and Danny Ainge does absolutely nothing.

Remember: The EXCITING outcome is a trade for Harrison Barnes.

[Fierce1]

Portland is 29th in defensive rating.
That's 2nd to the last in the league.

I'm sure Kanter has a lot to do with that.

Kanter gives you points and rebounds, but he's horrible on defense.

Steph Curry and GSW swept the Blazers in the west finals in 2019 because GSW made sure Kanter would always be involved in defending the pick and roll with Steph.

[Fierce1]

People are going to feel so dirty, disgusted and depressed that they spent so much time in these trade threads when the trade deadline passes and Danny Ainge does absolutely nothing.

Remember: The EXCITING outcome is a trade for Harrison Barnes.

I prefer the EXCITING outcome of not seeing Semi and Grant getting significant minutes once Harrison Barnes becomes a Celtic.

[zoyathedestroya]

My preferred scenario is not happening. #sellerswagon

So the most I can hope for is FO "tries" to shore up our roster without giving up too much. I think adding Barnes via BOS-friendly trade and Aldridge via buyout achieves that.

Kemba | Brown | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Smart | Nesmith | Semi | Theis | LMA

That's enough firepower. We'll have 2 or 3 of Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Barnes/LMA at all times.

[sully00]

So ideal scenario for me is we get Barnes using Thompson/2021 1st/non-Nesmith, non-Langford youngin. Then sign LMA as buyout big.

If bought out LMA is headed to BK, LA, or Miami. Doubtful he chooses Boston. Moving on....

Not saying he would chose Boston but I think a chance to start or a top 8 role is going to be higher on his list than a bench role at this point. Everyone has to decide what is important but it would seem if he is bought out and goes and rides the pine for a contender then he is a vet min guy next year. If he can catch on with a playoff team with a role available and reestablish himself as a B player instead of a C+ there could be a two years 20 mil bucks out there.

I would think POR and BOS would be considerations for him with Gasol and Griffin in LAL and BRK respectively. MIA has turned it around so they are certainly going to be a team with options especially if they can get Oladipo at the deadline.

[fallguy]

Shams:

Aldridge: The Spurs are continuing to explore trades for Aldridge, sources said. Should Aldridge receive a buyout, Miami, Portland and Boston are expected to be leading suitors. Aldridge, a seven-time All-Star, is on an expiring $24 million contract.

Boston Celtics
Another player of interest for the Celtics: Hawks big man John Collins, sources said. Atlanta’s asking price has been steep for Collins, however: A high-level first-round draft pick and/or a talented young player.
As our Sam Amick reported last week, Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes appears to be a more logical and likely target for the Celtics.

[JediMasterRevan]

I am assuming the following

1) Theis gets traded
2) Grant WIlliams gets traded
3) Rob Williams is not starting to keep his name out of other teams' mouthes
4) Aaron Nesmith not playing for same reason as Timelord.

I expect Danny to make a deal that nets a backup reliable wing and a backup power forward.

I expect Danny to do all he can to send Kemba out in the offseason.

this -- take..... still...… lives?

I don’t even understand what he’s trying to say frankly

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

[BK_2020]

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

3) He has a medical condition which requires his minutes to be monitored.

[JediMasterRevan]

My preferred scenario is not happening. #sellerswagon

So the most I can hope for is FO "tries" to shore up our roster without giving up too much. I think adding Barnes via BOS-friendly trade and Aldridge via buyout achieves that.

Kemba | Brown | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Smart | Nesmith | Semi | Theis | LMA

That's enough firepower. We'll have 2 or 3 of Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Barnes/LMA at all times.

I dont think BArnes is in the equation at all anymore. And with Brad talking about being "Smaller" I think the upgrades come to the bench.

Kemba/Pritchard/Teague
Smart/../Green
Brown/../Nesmith or Romeo
Tatum/../Semi or Grant
Timelord/Thompson

Safe to assume that is the outlook, imo, with Theis, Edwards, Romeo or Nesmith amd Grant or Semi being offered along with Capsavings to try and upgrade the 2nd string sg/sf/pf

Ellington
Knox
Tucker
Monk
Hill
Ross
Fournier
Hart
Young
Giles

a few names that would improve the 7-11 rotation

[Feed Your Head]

My preferred scenario is not happening. #sellerswagon

So the most I can hope for is FO "tries" to shore up our roster without giving up too much. I think adding Barnes via BOS-friendly trade and Aldridge via buyout achieves that.

Kemba | Brown | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Smart | Nesmith | Semi | Theis | LMA

That's enough firepower. We'll have 2 or 3 of Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Barnes/LMA at all times.

I dont think BArnes is in the equation at all anymore. And with Brad talking about being "Smaller" I think the upgrades come to the bench.

Kemba/Pritchard/Teague
Smart/../Green
Brown/../Nesmith or Romeo
Tatum/../Semi or Grant
Timelord/Thompson

Safe to assume that is the outlook, imo, with Theis, Edwards, Romeo or Nesmith amd Grant or Semi being offered along with Capsavings to try and upgrade the 2nd string sg/sf/pf

Barnes is 100% in the equation, is by far at the top of the list.

[JediMasterRevan]

My preferred scenario is not happening. #sellerswagon

So the most I can hope for is FO "tries" to shore up our roster without giving up too much. I think adding Barnes via BOS-friendly trade and Aldridge via buyout achieves that.

Kemba | Brown | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Smart | Nesmith | Semi | Theis | LMA

That's enough firepower. We'll have 2 or 3 of Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Barnes/LMA at all times.

I dont think BArnes is in the equation at all anymore. And with Brad talking about being "Smaller" I think the upgrades come to the bench.

Kemba/Pritchard/Teague
Smart/../Green
Brown/../Nesmith or Romeo
Tatum/../Semi or Grant
Timelord/Thompson

Safe to assume that is the outlook, imo, with Theis, Edwards, Romeo or Nesmith amd Grant or Semi being offered along with Capsavings to try and upgrade the 2nd string sg/sf/pf

Barnes is 100% in the equation, is by far at the top of the list

Maybe, yeah. I would love him. But I am not sure it happens anymore.
Would love to see Kemba off the bench, an improved bench wing player and Barnes starting with the Jays, Smart and Rob

Smart/Kemba
Brown
Barnes
Tatum
Timelord/Thompson

That is a serious team, imo

[BK_2020]

I dont think BArnes is in the equation at all anymore. And with Brad talking about being "Smaller" I think the upgrades come to the bench.

Harrison Barnes is actually pretty small due to his subpar wingspan. He will absolutely make us smaller.

[zoyathedestroya]

My preferred scenario is not happening. #sellerswagon

So the most I can hope for is FO "tries" to shore up our roster without giving up too much. I think adding Barnes via BOS-friendly trade and Aldridge via buyout achieves that.

Kemba | Brown | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Smart | Nesmith | Semi | Theis | LMA

That's enough firepower. We'll have 2 or 3 of Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Barnes/LMA at all times.

I dont think BArnes is in the equation at all anymore. And with Brad talking about being "Smaller" I think the upgrades come to the bench.

Kemba/Pritchard/Teague
Smart/../Green
Brown/../Nesmith or Romeo
Tatum/../Semi or Grant
Timelord/Thompson

Safe to assume that is the outlook, imo, with Theis, Edwards, Romeo or Nesmith amd Grant or Semi being offered along with Capsavings to try and upgrade the 2nd string sg/sf/pf

Barnes is 100% in the equation, is by far at the top of the list.

They're already doing the promos... Expect this to be hanging outside the TD Garden soon...

[GoCeltics123]

So Shams says Barnes is the most likely trade target, and Jake Fischer of B/R now says Aldridge is. I find it kinda hard to believe we'd waste the TPE on Aldridge, to be honest, so this is a weird quote.

And like Gordon, Vucevic's contract also deescalates in its final two years, dropping to $24 million in 2021-22 and $22 million in 2022-23. But Boston's overtures, for example, have fallen short of piquing Orlando's interest, sources said, and the same goes for the Celtics' conversations about Gordon. Plus, after recent weeks in which it seemed Boston was more interested in acquiring Harrison Barnes, league personnel now say Boston is primarily focused on landing LaMarcus Aldridge.

[TheMartian]

So ideal scenario for me is we get Barnes using Thompson/2021 1st/non-Nesmith, non-Langford youngin. Then sign LMA as buyout big.

[CeltsfaninDC]

this -- take..... still...… lives?

I don’t even understand what he’s trying to say frankly

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

Its fairly commonly known that they've been intentionally keeping him on a minutes restriction due to his injuries. They've also stated that they'll generally increase these as the season goes on.