Welcome Derrick White

[BostonCouchGM]

Did it make you smile for a second? I'm sorry if that made you uncomfortable.

huge smile. Super duper clever!

You're more annoying that I thought. Hats off to you.

reeeeeee. You don't agree with me. Reeeee. You don't appreciate me being a condescending child! Reeee. Talk about annoying. No sir...hats off to YOU!

edit- ughhh they don't let you add mods or administrators to the foe list? I HAVE to see his posts?

[SuperDeluxe]

huge smile. Super duper clever!

You're more annoying that I thought. Hats off to you.

reeeeeee. You don't agree with me. Reeeee. You don't appreciate me being a condescending child! Reeee. Talk about annoying. No sir...hats off to YOU!

edit- ughhh they don't let you add mods or administrators to the foe list? I HAVE to see his posts?

Mild punishment for the rest of this website having to see yours. Deal with it.

[BostonCouchGM]

You're more annoying that I thought. Hats off to you.

reeeeeee. You don't agree with me. Reeeee. You don't appreciate me being a condescending child! Reeee. Talk about annoying. No sir...hats off to YOU!

edit- ughhh they don't let you add mods or administrators to the foe list? I HAVE to see his posts?

Mild punishment for the rest of this website having to see yours. Deal with it.

Except they DON’T have to see mine. See how that works?

[SuperDeluxe]

reeeeeee. You don't agree with me. Reeeee. You don't appreciate me being a condescending child! Reeee. Talk about annoying. No sir...hats off to YOU!

edit- ughhh they don't let you add mods or administrators to the foe list? I HAVE to see his posts?

Mild punishment for the rest of this website having to see yours. Deal with it.

Except they DON’T have to see mine. See how that works?

I'm really sorry for your plight. Life's tough.

[Patsfan1081]

Watch every one and he was so underwhelming last season (shooting his customary 31% from three)

You do realise that's the only season he has shot below 34% from three and that he is a 35% career shooter from distance right ?

We went into the tax and it cost a promising former #1 in Nesmith (whose stats aren’t all that far from White’s this season) and a 1st.

Except the Celtics didn't go into the tax to get White. While Nesmith is getting stats that might look similar he's also much worse at basketball so there is that to consider as well.

His awful play cost us games in multiple series forcing long series and eventually Tatum being washed by the time the Finals came around.

You should have no problem giving us a list of those games then. What I remember is the Nets series being a sweep so it can't be that one and I recall the Bucks series shifting Boston's way once the Celtics went smaller and played White a lot more so it can't be that one either. You can complain about his performance in the Finals, that's fair, he wasn't good beyond game 1 (though he was hardly the only one). What you can't complain about is his role in getting the Celtics there, they don't sniff the Finals without him.

And true evaluation won’t be possible until we feel the ramifications of trading away back to back 1st rounders, whether those young players traded amount to anything and what happens to the pick swap

For perspective the best rookie selected after the pick the Celtics sent in the White trade is Andrew Nembhard and he's a 23 years old averaging 8 points per game on below average efficiency. Even if the Celtics could have handpicked the best guy available with the benefit of hindsight, they still wouldn't have gotten a player anywhere near White's level.

Again, if we don’t win a championship and Jaylen leaves us for nothing this will come back to haunt us. Since people love to rejoice after good games I guess to counterbalance that I’ll start pointing out his bad ones. Maybe point out the multiple times per game ge gets blown by on defense. Should be fun.

If we are just going to throw hypotheticals around maybe the reason Jaylen stays is because he prefers playing with White than a 2027 pick swap.

a) two years as a starter he's shot .338 and .312 from three

b) they went into the tax getting Brogdon which they wouldn't have felt the need to do if White was the answer. And White's salary contributes as well since we traded away cheaper assets to get him.

c) In the three losses in Games 3, 4, 5 to the Warriors, White shot a combined 5-21. In the game 2 close loss to MIA he had a whopping zero points. We won in the playoffs because opponents had major injuries and Tatum carried us. lol imagine thinking we got there because of Derrick White who put up 11-3-4 shooting 31% from three with average defense. Good Lord smh.

Derricks White in the playoffs:

vs BK: 5-5-2 and .091% from three

vs MIL: 8-4-3 and 31% from three

vs. MIA: 10-3-4 and 33% from three

vs. GSW: 10-1-2 and shot 40% from three (distorted by a 5-8 game 1 win. The rest of the series he was 5-17)

d) It's WAY too early to determine how costly trading away Nesmith, the 2022 1st round pick and the later swap could be. Many of the players drafted haven't even been given an opportunity to play much. It'll take time for the dust to settle. And who knows who else we may have been able to obtain with that package. Surely we wouldn't have had much trouble finding someone to duplicate White's stellar 11-3-4 shooting 31% from three with average defense would we?

e) Derrick White isn't under contract in 2025/26 so Jaylen will be looking at who will still be on the Celtics going forward should he sign an extension. He's going to look around and see that Brogdon, Horford, and White all will be UFA and likely gone. Smart will be into his 30s and a UFA a year later. Years of not having 1st round picks might have caught up to us and we may be facing a rebuild especially if Jaylen leaves which makes that pick swap potentially devastating. Everything is peaches and cream while we're beating scrub tanking teams.

Why are they likely gone, especially a somewhat still young White? I’ve been as hard on him as anyone but lets not forget that he was traded mid season after spending his whole career for one org. Players do improve and take time to allocate to their new teams. The guy looks like a totally different player this season and has def benefitted from the improved bench play. And while typing this White had another good game vs a very good/not scrub Grizzlies team. And you’re cherry picking a rookie season 27 minutes for a non contender, hard to believe they couldnt find that same player with a early second round pick. Late firsts arent that hard to aquire, Danny has given away his fair share as the GM.Im sure if Brad was that worried about the future he would have acquired another pick to stash in the g league with everyone else.

[31to6]

I've never seen the words "Derrick" and "All-Star" in the same sentence, so here goes: it seems pretty clear that if the Celtics didn't have Jaylen, Smart, Brogdon, and maybe JT, that White would get stats that would make some wonder if he could be a candidate for an All-Star team or two.

[shackles10]

I've never seen the words "Derrick" and "All-Star" in the same sentence, so here goes: it seems pretty clear that if the Celtics didn't have Jaylen, Smart, Brogdon, and maybe JT, that White would get stats that would make some wonder if he could be a candidate for an All-Star team or two.

Well that would be a terrible team over the course of a whole season lol but not many guys can put up numbers like an all-star on a bad team (like I agree White could) and can be incredibly useful role players on a championship team level team like White can. They’re either empty stat guys or just role players. IMO that’s a lot of his value as we’re seeing with both Smart and Brown out (and Brogdon today).

[ballup]

White has been incredible since he got here and stepped up a level this season. The blocks are cool, but the real value is having additional weak side rim protection. He's been money from 3 and has got back confidence he lost in the POs.

[Floody100]

BostonCouchGM every game watching White this year

[seiffert82]

Why do some posters double down and make boring wordy defences of their bad calls rather than just admit they were wrong?

BC-GM, you're just highlighting how bad a call you made on White. I love JT, but blaming White for Tatum's poor finals performance last year is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read on a fan forum.

For the record, he has been unreal for us this year. The huge defensive plays are one thing, but the energy and stability he brings is invaluable. The way he can collapse the opposition defence and open up our offence has been outstanding.

[sam_I_am]

Derrick White couldn’t buy a bucket in first quarter last night. Instead of losing his aggressiveness he kept shooting and was player of the game for Celtics. That could be a huge development for him. Hope to see more.

[Curmudgeon]

White is an all-star caliber player even though he may never be an all star. There are only 3-4 guards in the league I'd take over him. Last night he outplayed Ja Morant.

[zoyathedestroya]

Watch on YouTube

I enjoy watching him play on both ends.

EDIT: …OF THE FLOOR!! You sickos.

[flintsky21]

White is definitely much better when he's the lead guard. Hopefully he finds a way to keep up with his current play even after Smart returns. As we've seen so far, when all 3 PGs are healthy, Joe seems to be set upon giving Smart the most minutes regardless, and then whoever between White and Brogdon plays better in that particular night would be the one playing more. Hopefully that changes.

On that note, I think I'd rather have White over Smart for that starting PG position. He's obviously a better shooter, better at attacking the basket and finishing, and better man to man defender.

[Larry_Russell]

Just sayin.....


If White keeps playing to his full potential like he has been pretty much all season, he certainly makes Jaylen Brown expendable for another stud.


Smart/Pritchard
White/Brogdon
Tatum/Hauser
???/GrantW
Timelord/Horford/Muscala


If Brown brought in a starter, impact level PF I would think long and hard about sending him off.

(No Collins is not that guy)


Markannen+
JJJr?
Siakam (Brown and Gallo for Siakam)
Wendal Carter Jr (WCJr, Suggs, Isaac for Brown and Gallo)

[Hal14]

Basketball nerds love player like Derrick White, high IQ, never really force the issue, When he is handling the ball, he just has that calming presence.

Same thing can be said about Al.

Brad knew what he was doing with those 2 trades.

[themoneyteam2]

Why do some posters double down and make boring wordy defences of their bad calls rather than just admit they were wrong?

BC-GM, you're just highlighting how bad a call you made on White. I love JT, but blaming White for Tatum's poor finals performance last year is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read on a fan forum.

For the record, he has been unreal for us this year. The huge defensive plays are one thing, but the energy and stability he brings is invaluable. The way he can collapse the opposition defence and open up our offence has been outstanding.

Why argue with someone who doesn’t know this sport and posts blasphemy every other post he makes? Don’t pay him attention since he doesn’t know basketball.

He said Kyle Lowry, Westbrook, and RJ Barrett were better than Jaylen Brown 2 weeks after the finals ended last week. Let that sink in.

The fact he’s still allowed to discuss basketball in real life and on this board is ludicrous

[zoyathedestroya]

White is definitely much better when he's the lead guard. Hopefully he finds a way to keep up with his current play even after Smart returns. As we've seen so far, when all 3 PGs are healthy, Joe seems to be set upon giving Smart the most minutes regardless, and then whoever between White and Brogdon plays better in that particular night would be the one playing more. Hopefully that changes.

On that note, I think I'd rather have White over Smart for that starting PG position. He's obviously a better shooter, better at attacking the basket and finishing, and better man to man defender.

Dammit! I’m the biggest Smartstan and even I am considering this. Massive hit to Marcus’s ego who waited his turn for so long lol.

Then the next question would be who finishes close games?

I wouldn’t want to be in Joe’s shoes hehe.

[sam_I_am]

Just sayin.....


If White keeps playing to his full potential like he has been pretty much all season, he certainly makes Jaylen Brown expendable for another stud.


Smart/Pritchard
White/Brogdon
Tatum/Hauser
???/GrantW
Timelord/Horford/Muscala


If Brown brought in a starter, impact level PF I would think long and hard about sending him off.

(No Collins is not that guy)


Markannen+
JJJr?
Siakam (Brown and Gallo for Siakam)
Wendal Carter Jr (WCJr, Suggs, Isaac for Brown and Gallo)

White does not make Brown expendable Brown if your plan is to trade Brown for an all star like Siakam - arguably just as good as Brown - to stay competitive.

Now White might make Smart expendable (I don’t agree) such that if you traded him to Orlando for Suggs and their unprotected first round pick for example (not realistic of course), you could remain competitive and possibly land a stud in the draft. If you made that same trade with Brown….. we don’t get very far in the playoffs IMO.

[31to6]

Just sayin.....


If White keeps playing to his full potential like he has been pretty much all season, he certainly makes Jaylen Brown expendable for another stud.


Smart/Pritchard
White/Brogdon
Tatum/Hauser
???/GrantW
Timelord/Horford/Muscala


If Brown brought in a starter, impact level PF I would think long and hard about sending him off.

(No Collins is not that guy)


Markannen+
JJJr?
Siakam (Brown and Gallo for Siakam)
Wendal Carter Jr (WCJr, Suggs, Isaac for Brown and Gallo)

1. love JB
2. for years I talked myself into thinking I'd down JB for Sabonis
3. now I know I'd do JB for Siakam
4. not any of those other ones, though