"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[cellar-door]

Lots of do-everything college scorers struggle with the transition to the pros- Adam Morrison is one. No one has convinced me yet that Hield is in the Lillard/Curry mold..

He isn't.
He's more like JJ Reddick.
That isn't a knock, JJ is a terrific shooter who is respectable on D, but can't distribute or create full time. Hield is likely in that mold, and if the team that drafts him plays to that he'll be good. If they try to make him a ball handling slasher he's going to struggle badly.

[Kolkmania]

They tried Murray at the 1 at the beginning of the season, but he was horrible with the ball in his hands. With Ulis' playmaking Murray was free to run beautifully around the picks and flourished. It depends how you categorize athleticism, Murray is a decent leaper, but his lateral quickness is poor. However, with this roster every player that is able to hit a three is welcome.

I'll throw a name in, Timothe Luwawu. Athletic wing that shoots the 3. With his size he has potential and quickness he could become a great 3&D, who occasionally creates something for himself. Danny Ainge proved with Rozier last year that he is willing to take a risk, if the Nets pick falls out of the top 2, he could be a serious option.

Thanks for the info on Murray -- I watched him in maybe 3 games all year (I'm in NC so college ball is 99% ACC here) but it seemed like Ulis was dominating the ball most of the time. Didn't realize he had a chance to run PG at the start of the season.

As for Luwawu I won't even pretend to know more about him than is available at Draftexpress/NBAdraft.net. He seems like an intriguing prospect, but I had thought about him as more of an option at #16 in the group with all the young PFs (Rabb, Davis, Chriss, etc.) I actually really like having a pick in that range this year as there's a bunch of guys who seem like they'll be available there (at least according to draft sites) that can be good role players or even starters. In addition to the group above, Valentine seems like a guy with the potential to help a team right away.

No problem. It were only a couple of games, they handed the keys to Ulis early if I remember correctly. This draft has a clear top 2 (Ingram, Simmons), after these players I can't see that much difference in terms of talent between #3 and #20. Agree with your opinion of Valentine, he does not excel at one thing, but does everything well. I really appreciate good decision makers and he definitely is one.

[soxfan2003]

Lots of do-everything college scorers struggle with the transition to the pros- Adam Morrison is one. No one has convinced me yet that Hield is in the Lillard/Curry mold..

I'm one of the few people that said Morrison would be a bust. Hield is no Adam Morrison.

Morrison was perhaps one of the easiest players ever for me to spot as a bust. He wasn't athletic enough given his other attributes and he didn't even shoot that well in college for a player who was supposed to be a shooter. Played 3 years of college bball and never shot above 77.2% from the free throw line. Only once shot above 40% from 3. He also had type 1 diabetes which makes it tougher.

[Envelope]

Lots of do-everything college scorers struggle with the transition to the pros- Adam Morrison is one. No one has convinced me yet that Hield is in the Lillard/Curry mold..

I'm one of the few people that said Morrison would be a bust. Hield is no Adam Morrison.

Morrison was perhaps one of the easiest players ever for me to spot as a bust. He wasn't athletic enough given his other attributes and he didn't even shoot that well in college for a player who was supposed to be a shooter. Played 3 years of college bball and never shot above 77.2% from the free throw line. Only once shot above 40% from 3. He also had type 1 diabetes which makes it tougher.

Way to spot the diabetic

[Gomes3PC]

Lots of do-everything college scorers struggle with the transition to the pros- Adam Morrison is one. No one has convinced me yet that Hield is in the Lillard/Curry mold..

He isn't.
He's more like JJ Reddick.
That isn't a knock, JJ is a terrific shooter who is respectable on D, but can't distribute or create full time. Hield is likely in that mold, and if the team that drafts him plays to that he'll be good. If they try to make him a ball handling slasher he's going to struggle badly.

If Hield turns into JJ Redick, that would be a really nice outcome for him. Redick is a top-10 SG and frankly is the kind of player the Celtics specifically need on their roster. Would I use a top-3 pick on him? Nope. But if the C's could find a way to trade up into the 7-10 range to get Hield, I'd be cool with that, or if the ping-pong's screwed them and they somehow wind up 6th, he'd be a fine pick there.

I mean, look back at that 2006 draft, which was similarly weak to 2016. After LMA, Lowry, Rondo, and Brandon Roy (if his knees held up), who else would you take over Redick in that class? I guess maybe Millsap but he was never in consideration for a top-20 pick and his transformed himself in a way nobody could've predicted. Redick is probably a top-5 pick in a re-draft of that year.

[soxfan2003]

I'm one of the few people that said Morrison would be a bust. Hield is no Adam Morrison.

Morrison was perhaps one of the easiest players ever for me to spot as a bust. He wasn't athletic enough given his other attributes and he didn't even shoot that well in college for a player who was supposed to be a shooter. Played 3 years of college bball and never shot above 77.2% from the free throw line. Only once shot above 40% from 3. He also had type 1 diabetes which makes it tougher.

Way to spot the diabetic

Type 1 diabetes was only a small part of the reason I thought he would be a bust but it did go into my evaluation since its a very tough disease for anyone to have.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Tonight's game is exactly why I want Buddy Hield.

When I watched Hield, he reminded me most of a smaller, quicker Paul Pierce. Just a professional scorer. I don't see Morrison at all.

I'd be happy with Hield. I also like Dunn. Like them both better than Murray. I'd be happy if we come away with Hield and Valentine from this draft.

[ddb]

Tonight's game is exactly why I want Buddy Hield.

When I watched Hield, he reminded me most of a smaller, quicker Paul Pierce. Just a professional scorer. I don't see Morrison at all.

I'd be happy with Hield. I also like Dunn. Like them both better than Murray. I'd be happy if we come away with Hield and Valentine from this draft.

I wouldn't hate a Hield, Valentine draft. Maybe Stone, DJones or Maker if they're around at 23

[ddb]

Hield is a star in my mind. Gonna be a Top 5 SG

[return2glory]

So what's the difference? It's not a direct comparison, but why do you think Hield's scoring and shot creation will transfer to the pros?

Hield will be able to get his shot off. Morrison had a low point of release on his shot. He got away with it in college against smaller, less athletic guys. That's the main thing I said about him, he wouldn't be able to get his shot off in the NBA anywhere close to what he was doing in college.

[Envelope]

So what's the difference? It's not a direct comparison, but why do you think Hield's scoring and shot creation will transfer to the pros?

Hield will be able to get his shot off. Morrison had a low point of release on his shot. He got away with it in college against smaller, less athletic guys. That's the main thing I said about him, he wouldn't be able to get his shot off in the NBA anywhere close to what he was doing in college.

The same is largely true for Hield.

[return2glory]

Hield is a star in my mind. Gonna be a Top 5 SG

He would look nice or the Celtics along with Thomas and Durant.

I have a feeling Durant will be a Celtic next year.

[BakersDozen]

Hield is a star in my mind. Gonna be a Top 5 SG

He would look nice or the Celtics along with Thomas and Durant.

I have a feeling Durant will be a Celtic next year.

Well it is 4/20....


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[return2glory]

So what's the difference? It's not a direct comparison, but why do you think Hield's scoring and shot creation will transfer to the pros?

Hield will be able to get his shot off. Morrison had a low point of release on his shot. He got away with it in college against smaller, less athletic guys. That's the main thing I said about him, he wouldn't be able to get his shot off in the NBA anywhere close to what he was doing in college.

The same is largely true for Hield.

Not at all.

[return2glory]

Hield is a star in my mind. Gonna be a Top 5 SG

He would look nice or the Celtics along with Thomas and Durant.

I have a feeling Durant will be a Celtic next year.

Well it is 4/20....


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I don't do drugs.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Anyone have highlights of Simmons or ingrahm playing against ranked teams? All of these on YouTube I'm looking at are against scrubs and super unrealistic expectations of what these players can do.

[peachbucket]

He would look nice or the Celtics along with Thomas and Durant.

I have a feeling Durant will be a Celtic next year.

Well it is 4/20....


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I don't do drugs.

Your never to old to start...

[Bill Lumbergh]

Anyone have highlights of Simmons or ingrahm playing against ranked teams? All of these on YouTube I'm looking at are against scrubs and super unrealistic expectations of what these players can do.

Can't speak to Simmons vs, say, UK, but I have no doubts about his athleticism. All he lacks is a jumper.

Ingram, OTH, has got a lot of skills, but I'll be honest, I have some doubt about how his athleticism will translate. I saw him against near NBA caliber athletes of UK and Ingram didn't do much. Granted, it was very early in the year of his freshman season, but still raised some doubts in my mind. I think Ingram comes attached with some risk. He's nowhere near the athlete that Durant is, the guy he is most often compared to. It's not that I don't like him, but he's not the sure thing that Durant was, imo.

[Envelope]

Durant had a 26" standing vert and zero bench press at his NBA Combine. Durant gained athleticism in the NBA as his young body filled out. Ingram will do the same, being 18 and a year younger than his class.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Anyone have highlights of Simmons or ingrahm playing against ranked teams? All of these on YouTube I'm looking at are against scrubs and super unrealistic expectations of what these players can do.

Here are some for Simmons:

Vs Marquette (Ellenson)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Xl61KBWb8

Vs Vanderbilt
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZozP97PwwE

Vs Kentucky (was in early foul trouble)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=02zNb6qFTFY

Vs Oklahoma
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQWaX3g-Jww