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Post#641 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:05 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Wait--your a Suns fan and critiquing anyone else's GM?you traded the Lakers pick for Brandon Knight. You drafted Bender and Chriss, both of whom have markedly performed worse than Brown. You took Alex **** Len over Noel. What a joke of a franchise.


again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?
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Post#642 » by Writebloc » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:06 pm

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Well he's not good, sorry. Unless when you said you didn't think he was good it was because you thought he was great? idk

All I'm saying is I thought maybe you'd want a real player instead of relying on Ainge drafting. We all know what's going to happen, he'll pass on a bunch of point guards that will end up being better than anyone he picks because you have Isiah.


How can you even comment if you don't even understand Ainge's drafting profile? This is ludicrous. Kid, get an education before you come to another board and talk smack. I'm sure the Raptors are your second favorite team because you jumped off the Golden State bandwagon when they lost game seven and jumped back on the Cavaliers parade float.


nope actually a suns fan lol

But how is it ludicrous? The best players at the top of the draft are point guards. Your best player is a point guard. Is it crazy to think Ainge will pass on DSJ? Ball? for a lesser prospect because he's already locked in with Isiah and Smart at PG? I don't think so...


How is it ludicrous? Take a look at the 2015 draft, that should tell you all you need to know about Ainge and drafting.
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Post#643 » by Homerclease » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:07 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Wait--your a Suns fan and critiquing anyone else's GM?you traded the Lakers pick for Brandon Knight. You drafted Bender and Chriss, both of whom have markedly performed worse than Brown. You took Alex **** Len over Noel. What a joke of a franchise.


again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?

Funny, Smart and Thomas don't play the same position now. Why should adding DSJ change that? What if they draft Josh Jackson instead? Why are you here?
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Post#644 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:11 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Wait--your a Suns fan and critiquing anyone else's GM?you traded the Lakers pick for Brandon Knight. You drafted Bender and Chriss, both of whom have markedly performed worse than Brown. You took Alex **** Len over Noel. What a joke of a franchise.


again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?

Funny, Smart and Thomas don't play the same position now. Why should adding DSJ change that? What if they draft Josh Jackson instead? Why are you here?


My point exactly. You guys are going to end up taking Jackson or Tatum over DSJ and Ball just because you're locked in a point guard.

DSJ and Ball will be better than both those guys and will be ranked higher by most scouts going into the draft.

Guarantee.
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Post#645 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:13 pm

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How can you even comment if you don't even understand Ainge's drafting profile? This is ludicrous. Kid, get an education before you come to another board and talk smack. I'm sure the Raptors are your second favorite team because you jumped off the Golden State bandwagon when they lost game seven and jumped back on the Cavaliers parade float.


nope actually a suns fan lol

But how is it ludicrous? The best players at the top of the draft are point guards. Your best player is a point guard. Is it crazy to think Ainge will pass on DSJ? Ball? for a lesser prospect because he's already locked in with Isiah and Smart at PG? I don't think so...


How is it ludicrous? Take a look at the 2015 draft, that should tell you all you need to know about Ainge and drafting.



Again, if the Celtics pick DSJ I'm laughing as a Raptors fan. Idc he'd probably end up taking Isiah's job but then you'd be wasting isiah as an asset.
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Post#646 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:15 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Wait--your a Suns fan and critiquing anyone else's GM?you traded the Lakers pick for Brandon Knight. You drafted Bender and Chriss, both of whom have markedly performed worse than Brown. You took Alex **** Len over Noel. What a joke of a franchise.


again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?


Straw man: I absolutely can and do criticize my team.

Your flaw is assuming we're gunna keep Isaiah, Smart, Bradley and Rozier. If we keep and make the pick (and it's a PG), one of IT and AB are likely gone, if not both. If we draft, we're gunna end up rebuilding, and neither IT or AB will be on the next championship team.
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Post#647 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:16 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
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again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?

Funny, Smart and Thomas don't play the same position now. Why should adding DSJ change that? What if they draft Josh Jackson instead? Why are you here?


My point exactly. You guys are going to end up taking Jackson or Tatum over DSJ and Ball just because you're locked in a point guard.

DSJ and Ball will be better than both those guys and will be ranked higher by most scouts going into the draft.

Guarantee.


Yah, no, Ball won't. You're tripping 'Balls' if you think he'll be a better prospect than Tatum. Wings are always more in demand than pass first PGs
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Post#648 » by Homerclease » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:16 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Wait--your a Suns fan and critiquing anyone else's GM?you traded the Lakers pick for Brandon Knight. You drafted Bender and Chriss, both of whom have markedly performed worse than Brown. You took Alex **** Len over Noel. What a joke of a franchise.


again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?


Straw man: I absolutely can and do criticize my team.

Your flaw is assuming we're gunna keep Isaiah, Smart, Bradley and Rozier. If we keep and make the pick (and it's a PG), one of IT and AB are likely gone, if not both. If we draft, we're gunna end up rebuilding, and neither IT or AB will be on the next championship team.

No no, let the Suns fan with his franchises recent success tell us what the Celtics should do, like trade a top 3 pick for JV. Lmao
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Post#649 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:18 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Wait--your a Suns fan and critiquing anyone else's GM?you traded the Lakers pick for Brandon Knight. You drafted Bender and Chriss, both of whom have markedly performed worse than Brown. You took Alex **** Len over Noel. What a joke of a franchise.


again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?


Straw man: I absolutely can and do criticize my team.

Your flaw is assuming we're gunna keep Isaiah, Smart, Bradley and Rozier. If we keep and make the pick (and it's a PG), one of IT and AB are likely gone, if not both. If we draft, we're gunna end up rebuilding, and neither IT or AB will be on the next championship team.


Good luck with that. Ask the sixers how it's going trying to get rid of a big. Or even ask me how it's going trying to get rid of a PG lol

When teams know you gotta move a guy at a certain position, they'll lowball all day everyday. "oh you don't wanna trade? go forward with isiah, Smart and DSJ" waste away your assets
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Post#650 » by CavemanDoctor » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:20 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong.


Heh, this must be the very first day you've been on this board. If you only knew how ruthless we are about our own team. Difference is our ruthlessness is borne from high expectations of our franchise. Yours is because your franchise is terrible, has always been terrible, and will always be terrible.
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Post#651 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:22 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
again this is the difference between you and I. I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong. You just automatically assume I'm a homer for my team the same way you're a homer for yours. When my team makes bad moves, I admit it.

I'll even go on record right now with Bledsoe knight and Ulis, if we pass on BPA because he's a point guard I'll be pissed. The difference between the suns and the Celtics is you guys are close, we aren't. We can't pass on BPA where if DSJ is on the board and is BPA when you pick? I have a feeling you pass

you really going forward with DSJ, Isiah and Smart all playing the same position?


Straw man: I absolutely can and do criticize my team.

Your flaw is assuming we're gunna keep Isaiah, Smart, Bradley and Rozier. If we keep and make the pick (and it's a PG), one of IT and AB are likely gone, if not both. If we draft, we're gunna end up rebuilding, and neither IT or AB will be on the next championship team.


Good luck with that. Ask the sixers how it's going trying to get rid of a big. Or even ask me how it's going trying to get rid of a PG lol

When teams know you gotta move a guy at a certain position, they'll lowball all day everyday. "oh you don't wanna trade? go forward with isiah, Smart and DSJ" waste away your assets


Okay. And then we let Isaiah walk at the end of the year while developing the PG we drafted. Where's the harm in that?
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Post#652 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:24 pm

CavemanDoctor wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong.


Heh, this must be the very first day you've been on this board. If you only knew how ruthless we are about our own team. Difference is our ruthlessness is borne from high expectations of our franchise. Yours is because your franchise is terrible, has always been terrible, and will always be terrible.


the problem with your post is I replied to a post where he assumed I wasn't happy about moves my franchise made.

Because that's how he acts with his own franchise.
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Post#653 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:26 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
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Straw man: I absolutely can and do criticize my team.

Your flaw is assuming we're gunna keep Isaiah, Smart, Bradley and Rozier. If we keep and make the pick (and it's a PG), one of IT and AB are likely gone, if not both. If we draft, we're gunna end up rebuilding, and neither IT or AB will be on the next championship team.


Good luck with that. Ask the sixers how it's going trying to get rid of a big. Or even ask me how it's going trying to get rid of a PG lol

When teams know you gotta move a guy at a certain position, they'll lowball all day everyday. "oh you don't wanna trade? go forward with isiah, Smart and DSJ" waste away your assets


Okay. And then we let Isaiah walk at the end of the year while developing the PG we drafted. Where's the harm in that?



Can you guys help out your man for a second? He's planning on letting your best player walk...or are all you guys planning for this as well? if so, thank you, thank you and thank you on behalf of the Raptors
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Post#654 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:26 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
CavemanDoctor wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong.


Heh, this must be the very first day you've been on this board. If you only knew how ruthless we are about our own team. Difference is our ruthlessness is borne from high expectations of our franchise. Yours is because your franchise is terrible, has always been terrible, and will always be terrible.


the problem with your post is I replied to a post where he assumed I wasn't happy about moves my franchise made.

Because that's how he acts with his own franchise.


Straw man and weak take. Do better.
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Post#655 » by Writebloc » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:27 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
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No one is trolling. But for you guys to proclaim Ainge good at drafting is laughable. This is the problem my fanbase has as well. They think everyone of our players is the best and everyone else sucks. I just look at things logically.

I can give you a perfect example of how I'm a logical fan and you are a homer. My 2nd fav team in the Raptors, I can admit Derozan and Lowry aren't stars. I bet all of you think Isiah is a star

I'm able to look at my team realistically where you guys think Marcus smart and Jalyn brown are actually that good when in reality both are probably career back ups.

And you suggesting that they trade a top 3 pick for JV because they cut RJ Hunter is laughable, as is writing off a 20 year old rookie 40 games into a season as a career backup or calling Smart a career backup at the age of 22. Just quit now man before you get embarrassed further



embarrassed for what? You said Ainge is good at drafting. Go find one credible NBA scout or reporter that will tell you Ainge is good at drafting. you are trolling yourself


Not that I necessarily agree with any of these pundits but you asked...

2016

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2016-nba-draft-grades-winners-and-losers-062416

My goodness did Boston have a great night.

The Celtics used the third pick on arguably the third-best player in this draft (Brown), who also happens to fill an immediate need for them (wing scoring). Yabusele should be able to develop into a physical presence down low, and Zizic might be the second-best "true" international prospect in this draft behind only Dragan Bender. He’ll need time, but could develop into a big-time rotation player.

What put Boston over the top, however, was adding two first-round-caliber talents (Jackson and Bentil) in the second round. Jackson specifically might be the steal of the draft, as an ultra-quick guard who averaged 18 points at Notre Dame and tested off the charts at the Combine.

I’m not sure how Danny Ainge did it, but he got five guys who could one day be rotation players in Boston.


http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-grades

Hoping to make a big move is easier than finalizing one. Ainge was only going to move the 2rd pick if a team met his terms. Given that no game changing deal was done, the Celtics continued on their path of taking the slow and steady route. By going to Cal, Jaylen Brown did not have the support around him that most elite recruits are afforded when starting their college careers. Despite it, he had a solid freshman season and got the Golden Bears to the tournament. Many a great prospects had lousy final college games, so his performance in March should not be over scrutinized. He needs to work on his shot, in particular his shot selection. His shooting touch is actually quite solid. Also, in going to a competitive team, he will have to battle to get time initially. Guerschon was a ballsy selection at 16, one that we really like, and you can;t help but think Ainge had LeBron and Draymond in mind with that selection, as Yabusele offers a big nimble body that can match up with them, at least physically, with his strength. Zizic is a young center who's closer than you might expect to being ready, despite being 19 years old and 230 lbs. He has the perfect mentality for a big, as he loves contact and has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and high motor. Demetrius Jackson seemed to land in a tough spot. He is a fantastic athlete and great prospect for a 2nd round pick, especially in this draft, but one would have to think he would have been better going undrafted as opposed to a team with so many point guards already. Likewise, Ben Bentil should be able to go to training camp and compete for a roster spot, but the Celtics training camp as a smaller power forward without a guaranteed contract might not be the greatest spot, either. Abdel Nader was probably the biggest surprise to be drafted, and seems to be destined for DLeague or Europe.


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Post#656 » by CavemanDoctor » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:29 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
CavemanDoctor wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:I'm able to critize my own team where your team can do no wrong.


Heh, this must be the very first day you've been on this board. If you only knew how ruthless we are about our own team. Difference is our ruthlessness is borne from high expectations of our franchise. Yours is because your franchise is terrible, has always been terrible, and will always be terrible.


the problem with your post is I replied to a post where he assumed I wasn't happy about moves my franchise made.

Because that's how he acts with his own franchise.


Just stop, you've been strongly implying that we are all homers as a fanbase.

Also, a Suns fan is the last person who should be talking about Ainge's drafting. Didn't cheap *** Sarver sell Boston the 21st pick in '06 to make some quick cash, which turned into...Rondo?
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Post#657 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:29 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
Good luck with that. Ask the sixers how it's going trying to get rid of a big. Or even ask me how it's going trying to get rid of a PG lol

When teams know you gotta move a guy at a certain position, they'll lowball all day everyday. "oh you don't wanna trade? go forward with isiah, Smart and DSJ" waste away your assets


Okay. And then we let Isaiah walk at the end of the year while developing the PG we drafted. Where's the harm in that?



Can you guys help out your man for a second? He's planning on letting your best player walk...or are all you guys planning for this as well? if so, thank you, thank you and thank you on behalf of the Raptors


It's an option for sure. If he's not seen as a piece on our next championship team and we can't trade him due to your ridiculous hypothetical, you let him walk and let some other team pay him 30+ a year.

You don't force square pegs into round holes. That's how you end up on the treadmill with a hopeless future, much like your Raptors.
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Post#659 » by LonZoBallin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:33 pm

CavemanDoctor wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
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Heh, this must be the very first day you've been on this board. If you only knew how ruthless we are about our own team. Difference is our ruthlessness is borne from high expectations of our franchise. Yours is because your franchise is terrible, has always been terrible, and will always be terrible.


the problem with your post is I replied to a post where he assumed I wasn't happy about moves my franchise made.

Because that's how he acts with his own franchise.


Just stop, you've been strongly implying that we are all homers as a fanbase.

Also, a Suns fan is the last person who should be talking about Ainge's drafting. Didn't cheap *** Sarver sell Boston the 21st pick in '06 to make some quick cash, which turned into...Rondo?


again, you proved yourself wrong in your own post LMAO

You say I shouldn't talk crap about Ainge because the suns draft history? Why are you assuming I'm just like you boston fans and think my GM is good at drafting same way you guys think Ainge is good at drafting?

That is the PRoblem! I can criticize my own team but also criticize others as well. learn how to read and make sense before you make yourself look dumb.
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Post#660 » by CavemanDoctor » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:35 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
CavemanDoctor wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
the problem with your post is I replied to a post where he assumed I wasn't happy about moves my franchise made.

Because that's how he acts with his own franchise.


Just stop, you've been strongly implying that we are all homers as a fanbase.

Also, a Suns fan is the last person who should be talking about Ainge's drafting. Didn't cheap *** Sarver sell Boston the 21st pick in '06 to make some quick cash, which turned into...Rondo?


again, you proved yourself wrong in your own post LMAO

You say I shouldn't talk crap about Ainge because the suns draft history? Why are you assuming I'm just like you boston fans and think my GM is good at drafting same way you guys think Ainge is good at drafting?

That is the PRoblem! I can criticize my own team but also criticize others as well. learn how to read and make sense before you make yourself look dumb.


Sigh, why do I even interact with trolls?

All I showed in my post was that your owner is terrible, and that Ainge turned the 21st pick into Rondo as a data point for his drafting acumen.

Move along now.

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