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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#641 » by captain green » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:26 am

hugepatsfan wrote:
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hugepatsfan wrote:As of right now we have 15 NBA contracts and extended tenders to Tremont and Fall on 2 ways...

Kemba / Teague / Pritchard
Smart / Langford / Edwards
Brown / Nesmith / Green
Tatum / G Williams / Ojeleye
Theis / Thompson / R Williams

I feel pretty good about the starting 5... it's the same group as last year's playoff run, though you could swap Theis/Thompson. Either way, Theis or Thompson are legit backup 5s. Teague is a solid enough backup PG, thought it would be great if Pritchard beat him out. I thought Grant showed enough to feel alright about him as a 15ish minute bench player.

The question is wing depth. And I know on paper it looks like a question mark, but Langford and Nesmith were both lottery picks. If not even one of them is capable of logging reserve minutes on the wing then those are massive misses by Ainge. I know people rip on Ainge's draft history, but his track record of "misses" is more that he drafted a role player vs the guy who maxed out his upside. In his however many years here drafting I think James Young is only complete miss in the mid 1st round or higher. He's had some busts in the 20s obviously but which team hasn't over the last 17 years.

I understand it's a question mark on paper and as a tam trying to contend you always want some veteran options to fall back on, but if Langford/Nesmith aren't capable backup wing depth then Ainge really messed up. Hopefully Nesmith can be a day 1 reserve, which is not at all an unreasonable expectation for his draft spot. And hopefully Langford goes the route of Bradley and Rozier of barely playing in year 1 before becoming rotation piece in year 2.


What I'd REALLY like to see, is Nesmith push to start. I just like Smart better as a bench player who can come off the bench and sub in for practically anyone. Plus having him and Teague as veteran ballhandlers off the bench really soothes a lot of my agita from last season.

For Nesmith, we brought him in here to open space for the Jays and Kemba so the sooner he can get to doing that consistently, the better. It simplifies his job in a shortened rookie season by just setting him up to do what he does best and doing it playing off the players who will most benefit from it. If he can grasp the defense well enough, he should ascend to that starting 2-spot and put a stranglehold on it for the next 5 years.


100% agree that you hope for a starter. You draft a guy in the lottery, even the last pick in the lottery, and that's what you're hoping for. Smart on the bench balances your ball handlers between 1st/2nd unit too. But if Nesmith isn't a day 1 starter that's not the end of the world. If he isn't good enough to play 15 minutes a night right away, not that's kind of problematic for me. Because he isn't some massive upside guy who needs time to grow. He's king of a lower floor lower ceiling type guy by most accounts.

On paper that scares no one. Someone has to take the leap. Eastern conference got a whole lot better we didn't even upgrade we sat and waited for what was giving dropped to us. And got the scrap heap of teague and at lest we didn't over pay Thompson the only real upgrade on the roster. I'll root my heart out but this team ain't ring material.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#642 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:20 am

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What I'd REALLY like to see, is Nesmith push to start. I just like Smart better as a bench player who can come off the bench and sub in for practically anyone. Plus having him and Teague as veteran ballhandlers off the bench really soothes a lot of my agita from last season.

For Nesmith, we brought him in here to open space for the Jays and Kemba so the sooner he can get to doing that consistently, the better. It simplifies his job in a shortened rookie season by just setting him up to do what he does best and doing it playing off the players who will most benefit from it. If he can grasp the defense well enough, he should ascend to that starting 2-spot and put a stranglehold on it for the next 5 years.


100% agree that you hope for a starter. You draft a guy in the lottery, even the last pick in the lottery, and that's what you're hoping for. Smart on the bench balances your ball handlers between 1st/2nd unit too. But if Nesmith isn't a day 1 starter that's not the end of the world. If he isn't good enough to play 15 minutes a night right away, not that's kind of problematic for me. Because he isn't some massive upside guy who needs time to grow. He's king of a lower floor lower ceiling type guy by most accounts.

On paper that scares no one. Someone has to take the leap. Eastern conference got a whole lot better we didn't even upgrade we sat and waited for what was giving dropped to us. And got the scrap heap of teague and at lest we didn't over pay Thompson the only real upgrade on the roster. I'll root my heart out but this team ain't ring material.


Not to pick on you specifically but every year we get these posts about how mediocre our team is. Before this last season there were projections of first round exits everywhere. "We didn't improve anything". "We got lapped by the rest of the conference.". Etc., etc. Obviously nothing is promised, but that goes for EVERYBODY, not just us. I think we improved in our biggest area of concern: bench shooting and scoring. Just let it play.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#643 » by playa-hater » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:42 am

For the record I'm one of those who definitely believes in putting your young players right ins thae fire let them make some mistakes but By the end of the year they will have so much more confidence and experience to play big in big games. Boston has to late lottery pigs in Romeo Langford and neesmith, one of them should be automatically put into the starting lineup and left them learn to gel with the starters. Since Romeo Langford is hurt and Aaron nee Smith is considered a pure shooter I believe he should get the Spot. Unfortunately Brad Stevens has an opposit philosophical approach. He likes the ease in his rookies very slowly, unless of course you are picked in the top 3. But even then if it was in forward Gordon Hayward getting hurt I wonder how much he really would have played Jason Tatum and jelen Brown.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#644 » by playa-hater » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:45 am

Excuse my many typos it always happens on my phone
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#645 » by Justin33 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:48 am

The one thing I like is that all 4 players brought in have a rep of playing hard bordering on dirty. We got pushed around a little to much last year.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#646 » by batabatuta » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:54 am

I'd wish they'd give Prichard more PT to develop but that position is a logjam atm but given the state of Kemba's injury-prone state (please let this not be a jinx), won't be surprised Teague starts and Prichard handles the 2nd unit.

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#647 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:34 am

Not unrealistic we have 3 guys averaging 22+ ppg next season with Tatum in the 26-28 ppg range. That 17 ppg from Hayward has to go to someone or several someones. Hoping Kemba is healthy and plays more like Charlotte Kemba.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#648 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:15 pm

Average roster age last season on opening night: 25.08 yo
Average roster age this season on opening night: 25.48 yo

We're a bit older this season due to guys aging a year, not because we acquired more vets.

Wanamaker was replaced by the older Teague but Kanter, Poirier, and Hayward were replaced by the younger Nesmith, Pritchard, and Thompson, respectively.

(...assuming no more moves are made.)
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#649 » by jirrit » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:17 pm

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Looks like Grant’s playing Catan with the new rooks. Nice!
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#650 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:28 pm

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Looks like Grant’s playing Catan with the new rooks. Nice!


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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#651 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:36 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Average roster age last season on opening night: 25.08 yo
Average roster age this season on opening night: 25.48 yo

We're a bit older this season due to guys aging a year, not because we acquired more vets.

Wanamaker was replaced by the older Teague but Kanter, Poirier, and Hayward were replaced by the younger Nesmith, Pritchard, and Thompson, respectively.

(...assuming no more moves are made.)

Combined years of NBA experience:

2019-20 roster - 41 years
2020-21 roster - 54 years (11 retained players gained a year of experience each)

Combined playoff minutes should increase significantly with additions of Thompson and Teague.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#652 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:04 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Average roster age last season on opening night: 25.08 yo
Average roster age this season on opening night: 25.48 yo

We're a bit older this season due to guys aging a year, not because we acquired more vets.

Wanamaker was replaced by the older Teague but Kanter, Poirier, and Hayward were replaced by the younger Nesmith, Pritchard, and Thompson, respectively.

(...assuming no more moves are made.)

Years of combined NBA experience:

2019-20 roster - 41 years
2020-21 roster - 54 years (11 retained players gained a year of experience each)

Combined playoff minutes should increase significantly with additions of Thompson and Teague.


And that's where those additions matter the most. People can complain about Wanamaker vs Teague or Thompson vs whomever but the fact is, the regular season isn't an issue for these guys. It's not. We need guys that can execute and have executed in playoff games and know what it takes to win those games in this league. And I'm sorry but Wanamaker has no knowledge that the young talent on this team is inclined to respect because he hasn't done anything in this league. Neither has Kemba before last season so if you wanna be real about it, even Kemba could learn something from Teague's 70 playoff games worth of experience. Whether he has won or lost, Teague has playoff knowledge and does Thompson. We just watched a team blow how many close games in the bubble?
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#653 » by jmr07019 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:10 pm

Contrary to the popular opinion I'm actually pretty happy with the offseason.

It's been mentioned a lot that Gordon put up 17/7/4 in the regular season but it's rarely been mentioned that playoff Gordo put up 11/4/3 in 31 mpg with a crappy .504 TS%. Our playoff squad did not lose a significant piece. Further trying to keep 4 20 ppg guys happy is a task you have lost before you've even begun. Just not enough shots to go around. 3 20 ppg scorers is plenty especially when one (Tatum) should be at 25+. We have enough offense in the starting lineup.

LOVED the Nesmith pick. He was 1 of 2 guys I really wanted at 14. He will be a player in this league and help us immediately. Wouldn't be surprised to see him starting by seasons end.

Thompson was a real nice signing. Only 29. Started for a championship team. Wouldn't surprise me if he beat out Theis for the starting spot. Either way big man spot got an upgrade.

Teague is a big upgrade over Wannamaker. I don't understand the people who are upset with this move. Defensive versatility is overrated at the pg spot. You really want Wannamaker defending Butler? How bout Middleton? I sure as hell don't. Give me a guy who can do pg things.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#654 » by BK_2020 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:16 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote: We need guys that can execute and have executed in playoff games and know what it takes to win those games in this league.

And you think Jeff Teague is a guy who can execute in the playoffs? Career playoff TS% of .515 and 3pt% of .337. In his most recent playoffs sported a fancy 2 to 1 Asst to TO ratio.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#655 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:42 pm

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bucknersrevenge wrote: We need guys that can execute and have executed in playoff games and know what it takes to win those games in this league.

And you think Jeff Teague is a guy who can execute in the playoffs? Career playoff TS% of .515 and 3pt% of .337. In his most recent playoffs sported a fancy 2 to 1 Asst to TO ratio.


A cogent pick n roll? Yes, I think he can execute it. Certainly better than Wanamaker can. It's clear you value the shooting more and that's fine. I respect it. I'm confident enough in what Brad has built here that a decent PG like Teague surrounded by our talent can shoot at least league average and do fine here. AND unlike Wanamaker, Teague actually has the IQ to run an offensive set in the halfcourt. And enough respect through his experience and resume that the other players will trust him to do so. 5:2 career asst to TO ratio over his playoff career. You value whatever it is you value. I value this because I saw and remember how we lost playoff games last year.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#656 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:29 pm

I think Wanamaker is better than Teague, but not by much. Teague plays with an attitude, like Schroeder. Instigator.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#657 » by playa-hater » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:58 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I think Wanamaker is better than Teague, but not by much. Teague plays with an attitude, like Schroeder. Instigator.


I think it's a bit like comparing Apples to Oranges. Teague has always excelled in getting in the lane , beating defenders off the dribble and can create his shot a bit.

Meanwhile Wannamaker is more of a combo who really can't beat his defender off the dribble well. But has shown decent catch and shoot ability off the ball.

However I thought the drafting of PP would have made either non essential. Kemba should start at PG, Smart 2nd at PG, then PP at PG. Boston invested a first on PP. what good does it to make him the possible 4th option. I hate it.

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#658 » by Kalela » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:08 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I think Wanamaker is better than Teague, but not by much. Teague plays with an attitude, like Schroeder. Instigator.


In his Hawks days perhaps. :lol:
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#659 » by ballup » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:11 pm

With the roster pretty much set, the question remains as to how the backup 2/3 minutes are distruibuted. Semi is probably getting minutes at the 3, but he's more a split between the forward positions. If Langford were healthy, he'd get a crack at those minutes with the defensive flashes he shown. We don't know when he'll be back, so in that case, is Nesmith going to get those minutes? Or is Green stepping into this role?

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#660 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:52 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:I think Wanamaker is better than Teague, but not by much. Teague plays with an attitude, like Schroeder. Instigator.


I think it's a bit like comparing Apples to Oranges. Teague has always excelled in getting in the lane , beating defenders off the dribble and can create his shot a bit.

Meanwhile Wannamaker is more of a combo who really can't beat his defender off the dribble well. But has shown decent catch and shoot ability off the ball.

However I thought the drafting of PP would have made either non essential. Kemba should start at PG, Smart 2nd at PG, then PP at PG. Boston invested a first on PP. what good does it to make him the possible 4th option. I hate it.

play PP early. If he plays well enough increase his role.

The Teague signing is really unnecessary it feels. I really hope he's buried on the depth chart quickly. Pritchard, if he's good, should be a good player almost immediately; he's older than Tatum, started 140 college games, he really should be good to go from Game 1 even in an abbreviated training camp season like this one.
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