Fire Brad Stevens.

chrisab123 · Post #641 » by **chrisab123** » Sat May 29, 2021 6:39 pm

Overhaul the coaching staff. Bring in Posey KG Pierce and Perk in various capacities. Sign Rondo to be kind of a coach on the floor. This would help Brad a ton.

Dangit · Post #642 » by **Dangit** » Sat May 29, 2021 7:30 pm

BK_2020 wrote:People just can't accept that the reason the Celtics are losing is because the players are just not that good. Our best player Tatum is probably the 4th best player on the Nets. Our 2nd best player Brown is out and I would rather have Joe Harris (at least for this season). Our 3rd and 4th best players Kemba and Smart are bench players on the Nets. Timelord, who people have at various times said is a top 5 center in the league and better than Gobert or something is a foul-prone, undisciplined toolsy guy who wouldn't start for half the teams in the league. Fournier is a guy who gets salary dumped for 2 seconds. Pritchard is slower than Deandre Jordan.
Boston is grossly outmatched in this series and it's a miracle that Game 1 was not a blow out. But people want to believe the reason Boston is losing is because Brad Stevens doesn't yell at people.

100% on point here

moonie_mcgee · Post #643 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Sat May 29, 2021 8:04 pm

Ernest wrote:Well that game 3 win shut this place up for a few days. Nice to see the players who get the most hate around here stepping up when it matters most. Smart and TT had great games. Even Grant did well.

The game 3 win was shockingly excellent.
TT did and does everything he was hired to do.
Aside from coming in out of shape I've been a
fan of his abilities, energy and toughness. Smart too.
Grant block was out of this world awesome.
Stevens IMHO did the best job he did all season.
His coached to his capability. Sweet plays especially that defensive wall. Really worked the sidelines, very animated.

moonie_mcgee · Post #644 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Sat May 29, 2021 8:10 pm

chrisab123 wrote:Overhaul the coaching staff. Bring in Posey KG Pierce and Perk in various capacities. Sign Rondo to be kind of a coach on the floor. This would help Brad a ton.

I agree he needs more help and a staff with varying options would be a good start. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it seem like his staff is right out of Butler University. The Hawks had Nate McMillan as an assistant. Celts need more gravitas and talent on the coaching staff.

robdog_5 · Post #645 » by **robdog_5** » Sat May 29, 2021 10:10 pm

Heat go down in lifeless sweep to Bucks. I wonder if Spo will get fired.

return2glory · Post #646 » by **return2glory** » Sun May 30, 2021 1:29 am

robdog_5 wrote:Heat go down in lifeless sweep to Bucks. I wonder if Spo will get fired.

I’m glad you posted this because I was just about it.

Heat are our or the playoffs before Boston. We don’t even have Brown and Rob has been hurt and Tatum was hurt in game 2 with a groin and eye injury. Kemba was hurt in game 3 and might not play in game 4.

Or does Spo get a pass because he won a ring with Lebron, Wade and Bosh? Or with Shaq and Wade?

Also does Nick Nurse also get fired because the Raptors didn’t even make the playoffs?

return2glory · Post #647 » by **return2glory** » Sun May 30, 2021 1:32 am

I’ve been saying for over a month now that the 4 last teams standing last year (Nuggets, Celtics, Heat and Lakers) have all had a hard time this season because of the extra short off season.

Heat are now out. Celtics battled injuries all season and have Brown out. Nuggets have Murray out. Lakers has AD and Lebron out during the season but they got lucky they got healthy at the right time, going into the playoffs.

Ernest · Post #648 » by **Ernest** » Sun May 30, 2021 2:14 am

robdog_5 wrote:Heat go down in lifeless sweep to Bucks. I wonder if Spo will get fired.

Did their forum have "Fire Spo" and "Fire Riley" threads on the front page all year?

Post #649 » by **ParticleMan** » Sun May 30, 2021 10:30 am

BK_2020 wrote:People just can't accept that the reason the Celtics are losing is because the players are just not that good. Our best player Tatum is probably the 4th best player on the Nets. Our 2nd best player Brown is out and I would rather have Joe Harris (at least for this season). Our 3rd and 4th best players Kemba and Smart are bench players on the Nets. Timelord, who people have at various times said is a top 5 center in the league and better than Gobert or something is a foul-prone, undisciplined toolsy guy who wouldn't start for half the teams in the league. Fournier is a guy who gets salary dumped for 2 seconds. Pritchard is slower than Deandre Jordan.
Boston is grossly outmatched in this series and it's a miracle that Game 1 was not a blow out. But people want to believe the reason Boston is losing is because Brad Stevens doesn't yell at people.

other than the usual jaylen bashing this is spot on.

with jaylen i think we'd be more competitive, but we are thoroughly out-talented here. we needed kemba to be prime kemba, or one of the rooks to step up way more than any of them have. that's on ainge for putting us in that position, it's his job to evaluate and bring in talent. the jay's are not the problem, and neither is brad, he is just trying to make a decent meal out of the mostly unripe or rotting ingredients that ainge has handed him.

reload141 · Post #650 » by **reload141** » Sun May 30, 2021 10:52 am

ParticleMan wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:People just can't accept that the reason the Celtics are losing is because the players are just not that good. Our best player Tatum is probably the 4th best player on the Nets. Our 2nd best player Brown is out and I would rather have Joe Harris (at least for this season). Our 3rd and 4th best players Kemba and Smart are bench players on the Nets. Timelord, who people have at various times said is a top 5 center in the league and better than Gobert or something is a foul-prone, undisciplined toolsy guy who wouldn't start for half the teams in the league. Fournier is a guy who gets salary dumped for 2 seconds. Pritchard is slower than Deandre Jordan.
Boston is grossly outmatched in this series and it's a miracle that Game 1 was not a blow out. But people want to believe the reason Boston is losing is because Brad Stevens doesn't yell at people.

other than the usual jaylen bashing this is spot on.

with jaylen i think we'd be more competitive, but we are thoroughly out-talented here. we needed kemba to be prime kemba, or one of the rooks to step up way more than any of them have. that's on ainge for putting us in that position, it's his job to evaluate and bring in talent. the jay's are not the problem, and neither is brad, he is just trying to make a decent meal out of the mostly unripe or rotting ingredients that ainge has handed him.

I wrote this season off after seeing how the other teams that lasted a long time in the bubble performed... couple that with CC posting how interchangeable our starting unit has been and how frustrating it is for everyone involved.

I’m giving Brad a pass this season. If there isn’t significant improvement next season then I’ll jump onboard but given what he’s accomplished so far, it’s crazy that people want him fired.

I’d also say Tatum is the 3rd best player... he’s better than Kyrie just for the simple fact he plays both ends at an elite level.

We purposely switched Tatum on him like they do with Walker because neither can defend a chair.

reload141 · Post #651 » by **reload141** » Sun May 30, 2021 10:53 am

return2glory wrote:I’ve been saying for over a month now that the 4 last teams standing last year (Nuggets, Celtics, Heat and Lakers) have all had a hard time this season because of the extra short off season.

Heat are now out. Celtics battled injuries all season and have Brown out. Nuggets have Murray out. Lakers has AD and Lebron out during the season but they got lucky they got healthy at the right time, going into the playoffs.

This right here.

Triple7 · Post #652 » by **Triple7** » Sun May 30, 2021 12:04 pm

Ernest wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
celtics543 wrote:
How many coaches keep their job for this long without winning a title? I'm not trying to troll. You brought up Doc which is interesting because he's considered a good coach by everyone but the Clippers still fired him because he'd been there so long without winning a title.

Is there a single coach in the league that's been with their team as long as Brad without winning a title? Sometimes it's just time to move on.

I agree with this. If it’s not working for almost a decade now, then i think the team needs to go in a different direction. New culture, new coach is what this team needs.

Not been working for a decade? It' been one disappointing year not 10. Give me a break.

One year really???? Lol. Almost a decade and no finals appearance to show for? I commend him for the 1st 5 years here, having a lesser team overachieve, but the guy never adjusted. The last 3 seasons have been a disaster. and don’t give me that crap about getting to the conf finals last season. We should have been to the finals easy. He was clearly outcoached. I don’t know what you’ve been watching the past 3 seasons, but you are clearly a Brad Stevens stan homer.

Triple7 · Post #653 » by **Triple7** » Sun May 30, 2021 12:10 pm

Ernest wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:Heat go down in lifeless sweep to Bucks. I wonder if Spo will get fired.

Did their forum have "Fire Spo" and "Fire Riley" threads on the front page all year?

Spo had championship rings under his belt, and went to the finals last season. If his team pulled a crap again next season, then he should be sacked after that. Brad has nothing to show for. The guy haven’t won anything in his coaching career. Unless he pulls some kind of miracle, and have his team fighting this series, then it’s time for the team to move in a different direction. You guys need to wake up. Its doesn’t mean he’s a horrible coach, but Sometimes a change is necessary.

Post #654 » by **ParticleMan** » Sun May 30, 2021 1:28 pm

Triple7 wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
I agree with this. If it’s not working for almost a decade now, then i think the team needs to go in a different direction. New culture, new coach is what this team needs.

Not been working for a decade? It' been one disappointing year not 10. Give me a break.

One year really???? Lol. Almost a decade and no finals appearance to show for? I commend him for the 1st 5 years here, having a lesser team overachieve, but the guy never adjusted. The last 3 seasons have been a disaster. and don’t give me that crap about getting to the conf finals last season. We should have been to the finals easy. He was clearly outcoached. I don’t know what you’ve been watching the past 3 seasons, but you are clearly a Brad Stevens stan homer.

That's an argument to fire Ainge, not Brad. You can't make a chateaubriand out of mincemeat. When has Brad ever had a championship-level roster, or anywhere close? I'm talking a pair like Lebron/AD, or prime motivated Kawhi, that level good? The only player capable of leading a team to a title he's ever had is Tatum, this year. And Tatum is 23 and spent half this year dealing with covid. Lebron didn't even win his first title till he was 27, despite coming in younger than Tatum.

It's amazing what Brad has done with utter crap. IT was a nobody before he got here, and became a nobody after he left. Tatum and especially Brown have blossomed beyond most expectations. Did Brad having nothing to do with any of that? Or is he just a crap coach because he can't take a team led by a 22-year-old or a no-D midget to a championship?

return2glory · Post #655 » by **return2glory** » Sun May 30, 2021 2:44 pm

Triple7 wrote:
Ernest wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:Heat go down in lifeless sweep to Bucks. I wonder if Spo will get fired.

Did their forum have "Fire Spo" and "Fire Riley" threads on the front page all year?

Spo had championship rings under his belt, and went to the finals last season. If his team pulled a crap again next season, then he should be sacked after that. Brad has nothing to show for. The guy haven’t won anything in his coaching career. Unless he pulls some kind of miracle, and have his team fighting this series, then it’s time for the team to move in a different direction. You guys need to wake up. Its doesn’t mean he’s a horrible coach, but Sometimes a change is necessary.

How did Spo get his rings? He had Lebron, Wade and Bosh, that’s how.

Who did Brad have? IT, Horford and Crowder?
Was he supposed to win a title with Kyrie, who got outplayed in the playoffs by George Hill, the backup PG of the Bucks and an injured Hayward?

Brad got outcoached by Spo last year? Really? We forgetting Kemba had a banged up knee in the series and Hayward missed about a month of the playoffs and came back half of what he was? Heat has the better team. Not an excuse, just a fact.

What’s Pop done since Duncan retired? Coaches can only take you so far without great players.

playa-hater · Post #656 » by **playa-hater** » Sun May 30, 2021 3:11 pm

Don't like debates on game day.. too pumped right now, but for those on Stevens side, regardless of what Spo has done or not, how can anyone deny Stevens has now coached 2 of the most disappointing teams arguably in Celtic history.

And Particle man, you mentioned Stevens never had a championship roster, I'd argue that 2019 Roster was overflowing with talent. Some parts didn't fit for sure. But Stevens certainly shown he wasn't able to handle or motivate that squad as well.

GoCeltics123 · Post #657 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sun May 30, 2021 4:30 pm

Read on Twitter

This was a great adjustment by Brad

moonie_mcgee · Post #658 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Sun May 30, 2021 5:52 pm

playa-hater wrote:Don't like debates on game day.. too pumped right now, but for those on Stevens side, regardless of what Spo has done or not, how can anyone deny Stevens has now coached 2 of the most disappointing teams arguably in Celtic history.

And Particle man, you mentioned Stevens never had a championship roster, I'd argue that 2019 Roster was overflowing with talent. Some parts didn't fit for sure. But Stevens certainly shown he wasn't able to handle or motivate that squad as well.

Totally agree on both points. Stevens was rock solid in game 3 let's see what happens in game 4. That '19 roster was nearly favorites I believe. Talent, depth, experience. The drama and bickering that worked its way to the court was a real shame.

moonie_mcgee · Post #659 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Sun May 30, 2021 6:50 pm

Watching the Knicks Hawks and it made me think about our roster Ainge Stevens and Thibs. It seems that Ainge might be differing a bit too much to the coach when assembling the team through the draft, trades and FA. Knicks and other teams have a lot of players that'd really help our team but Ainge passed on them for other maybe inferior players.

chrisab123 · Post #660 » by **chrisab123** » Sun May 30, 2021 10:16 pm

moonie_mcgee wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Overhaul the coaching staff. Bring in Posey KG Pierce and Perk in various capacities. Sign Rondo to be kind of a coach on the floor. This would help Brad a ton.

I agree he needs more help and a staff with varying options would be a good start. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it seem like his staff is right out of Butler University. The Hawks had Nate McMillan as an assistant. Celts need more gravitas and talent on the coaching staff.

His staff consists of a bunch of Mid Major jobbers. They need actual NBA guys