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Re: Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread 

Post#661 » by Berkcelt » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:09 pm

GuyClinch wrote:I think you and other fans are reading this entirely wrong. And that piece was a pretty awful hit piece that was in fact entirely nonsensical.


I feel like you misunderstood my post. I was agreeing that people were misunderstanding what it means to be professional.

I wasn't really talking about loyalty either; yeah fans are upset because he flipped off their favorite team, I'm definitely there. I'm just saying for a guy who presented himself as above the fray, he is in it like everyone else. In actuality, leaving in part to go to your rival for spite is not classy.

It's fine though, especially after I stepped back from the emotional part; the reaction was based on an emotional attachment disconnected from reality, mea culpa; Ray can do what he wants, and he can be replaced. Hopefully he will be; Raja Bell doesn't count. Also I do think people are underselling how he'll help Miami.
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Re: Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread 

Post#662 » by EJay33 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:51 pm

I want to hate Allen, I really do, but I just can't do it. When he returns I'll give him his much deserved standing O, and then it's back to business as usual, which of course is hating the Heat. The thing is, if he dogged his way through his contracts and then took less money to go to the Heat, then I'd hate him. That didn't happen, though. The guy busted his ass for us and gave us some great moments and years. He is the hardest working player we've had since the Legend. People are killing him for his play this season, but him playing on 2 ankles that needed surgery and still having some big moments such as a solid game 7 and solid D on Wade saved us from having to watch Daniels or Pietrus, who was playing in full-blown downsyndrome mode for 75% of the playoffs, in that spot.

I have had multiple breakups that have effected me less than Ray Allen leaving the Celtics. Yesterday day "Remember When" by Alan Jackson came on and I found myself thinking about Ray Allen. It was at that moment that I realized that I am a huge tool, but it actually does fit pretty well with the Ray years in Boston, granted in about the most homoerotic way possible. It just shouldn't have ended this way, with Ray on bad terms. I can't believe how under-appreciated he felt considering how much I as a fan valued having him on the team.

The thing is, he is criminally underrated by Celtics fans right now. This past post-season was sad to watch. 71% FT shooting? I would have guessed Ray could do better than that lefty. Still, he gave us great moments. The 3 in game 5 against Atlanta that ended up being a loss was awesome. The guy could barely play, yet dug down deep and drilled the big shot. Then there was game 4 at home against Miami when Boston had a 14-point halftime lead and then pissed it all away.

I was in the building and it was eerily reminiscent of the previous season when Boston won game 3 at home and lost game 4. It just felt like history was repeating itself. Rondo was playing like he had a streak of diarrhea running down his leg. Had the Pistons executed an Isiah Thomas Pistons patented walk-off at the start of the 4th quarter, I still don't think Rondo would have attempted a shot for the rest of the game.

Pierce was doing one of his "my knee hurts, even tho I'm the leader of this team and best scorer, I'm not even going to try to get the ball" routines. As the Heat took the lead, I was talking to the guy with the season ticket next to me asking him where his seats were for next year, thinking it could be the last time I ever saw the guy haha..

Then, big Ray drilled a 3 to put Boston back up with about 7:30 left. The fans came to life, the team stopped playing like they were pissing their pants, and the game eventually went to OT and Boston won, then went on to win game 6, and gave us a legit chance at the finals. People underestimate how pumped a Ray 3 got the crowd. Even just seeing him launch one has half the building ready to pop out of their seats. That doesn't happen when Mickael Pietrus lines up an ill-advised step-back 3.

Another thing is that people seem to think the Ray we just watched is the Ray that's going to exist moving forward. Guys, he is having ankle surgery. He'll be fine. He is probably going to lead the NBA in threes next year and could easily play into his 40s if he wants to. I had always hoped he would do this in a bench role here with the Celtics. Rondo did not look for him in transition enough, and even dating back to 2008 he was underutilized here.

Consider that Ray gave up 8 shots per game to make the big 3 marriage work. Why was he the one sacrificing the most? His teams in Seattle were the 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, and 9th best offenses in the league in the 4 years prior to the trade. KG's 'Sota teams were 5th, 6th, 28th, and 25th. Pierce's Celtics were 17th, 9th, 19th, and 28th. His Bucks offenses were also top of the league (1st one year, 2nd another year, top 10 a couple other years). So, based on the fact that you can consistently build a top 10, if not top 5 offense around Ray Allen, why are we sacrificing 8 shots from that guy when Pierce and KG didn't have similar track records of success offensively?

Yet of course, people are saying he road the coattails of Pierce and KG, which is ridiculous. He sacrificed to make this work. If Pierce had to sacrifice 8 shots per game and become the 3rd option I suspect he would have pouted his way out of town, and honestly that was my biggest concern at the time of the trade - that Paul wasn't going to be able to adjust to a reduced role. Ray was the guy who sacrificed the most to allow this to work and he'll be a fantastic addition for the Heat.

He should have stayed here. With all that said, he did sell out this organization because his ego ended up getting in the way. His role on this team was working. The team was a perennial contender and one of the most feared in the league. What they were doing collectively was working. As a fan, I am able to see what Ray sacrificed and I know he is as important to that ring as KG and Paul were. I feel he should have been the 08 finals MVP. I never would have disrespected his contributions and I wish he felt what I saw and chose to stay over taking 1/2 the money to legitimately ride the coattails of LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. He wants to talk about respect, well, he just signed up for 1/5 the money that those guys are making and they're all 5-8 years younger than him. Ridiculous that it had to end this way. I just think he made a decision specifically to spite the Celtics. He won't get more minutes, money, respect, or a bigger role in Miami. All he accomplished was hitting Boston where it hurts. Too bad. It was a good thing while it lasted.
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Re: Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread 

Post#663 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:14 pm

Wtf ray will wear 34?? Smh, Ray! There's only 1 player in the league with that number, that matters and his name is Paul Pierce!
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Post#664 » by Chris435 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:23 pm

Paul Pierce having #34 was the only reason he gave that number up
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Post#665 » by Heyvoon24 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:36 pm

He's a punk for leaving, especially after KG committed for 3 more years. Straight up POS.
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Post#666 » by pac213up » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:38 pm

Ray already looks like he regrets his decision.
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Post#667 » by Berkcelt » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:40 pm

I don't think you can say Ray rode coattails, but to me he has always been the clear number 3 out of the new big 3. Per 36, he gave up one more FGA than Pierce; pace adjusted numbers would probably be best, but my guess is he played at a higher pace in Seattle than Pierce did in Boston. And regardless of what people are saying now, I don't think it was common sentiment at all that he rode coattails in '08. He had a bad playoffs to start, but there were a lot of people who thought he deserved Finals MVP (I think they got it right, personally). But he will be riding them in Miami, that's for sure.

I'm still impressed by Ray gutting it out in the last postseason. He was a big part in pulling Celtics basketball off the mat, but leaving like this, he won't be remembered like the other guys which I think is fair after this. I know I won't.

I do think he'll get more playing time in Miami, probably not a lot but more; I have a feeling Miami used that to help sell him, and that they conflated more p.t. with bigger role; I guess generally they do go hand in hand, but hitting threes for us or hitting threes for them is about the gist of it.
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Re: Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread 

Post#668 » by [Presence] » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:48 pm

Riley talking about retiring his number in Miami. It's like Ray was never in Boston at all. This is f*cking disgusting.
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Post#669 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:49 pm

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Post#670 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:51 pm

Screw Ray Allen.
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Post#671 » by Berkcelt » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:52 pm

[Presence] wrote:Riley talking about retiring his number in Miami. It's like Ray was never in Boston at all. This is f*cking disgusting.


They're already retiring his number? lol ...well, they did retire Jordan's, so I guess... why not!
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Post#672 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:56 pm

FU Ray you sell out. The heat stand for everything that is wrong with the NBA and you joined them. Allen is just another one of the mindless players that wants to take the easy way out to get a ring and join a super team. That is what the NBA is all about these days. It is so sad how pussafied this one great league has become.
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Post#673 » by Celtics_Champs » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:04 pm

Is it true he said he texted Pierce and KG? If so that's pretty bull, but not surprising as we get to know the new ray. He can't even have a phone conversation with them. It's not like ya know, the things those three did together were a big **** deal or something
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Post#674 » by RondoToKG » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:13 pm

Godmoney wrote:I want to hate Allen, I really do, but I just can't do it. When he returns I'll give him his much deserved standing O, and then it's back to business as usual, which of course is hating the Heat. The thing is, if he dogged his way through his contracts and then took less money to go to the Heat, then I'd hate him. That didn't happen, though. The guy busted his ass for us and gave us some great moments and years. He is the hardest working player we've had since the Legend. People are killing him for his play this season, but him playing on 2 ankles that needed surgery and still having some big moments such as a solid game 7 and solid D on Wade saved us from having to watch Daniels or Pietrus, who was playing in full-blown downsyndrome mode for 75% of the playoffs, in that spot.

I have had multiple breakups that have effected me less than Ray Allen leaving the Celtics. Yesterday day "Remember When" by Alan Jackson came on and I found myself thinking about Ray Allen. It was at that moment that I realized that I am a huge tool, but it actually does fit pretty well with the Ray years in Boston, granted in about the most homoerotic way possible. It just shouldn't have ended this way, with Ray on bad terms. I can't believe how under-appreciated he felt considering how much I as a fan valued having him on the team.

The thing is, he is criminally underrated by Celtics fans right now. This past post-season was sad to watch. 71% FT shooting? I would have guessed Ray could do better than that lefty. Still, he gave us great moments. The 3 in game 5 against Atlanta that ended up being a loss was awesome. The guy could barely play, yet dug down deep and drilled the big shot. Then there was game 4 at home against Miami when Boston had a 14-point halftime lead and then pissed it all away.

I was in the building and it was eerily reminiscent of the previous season when Boston won game 3 at home and lost game 4. It just felt like history was repeating itself. Rondo was playing like he had a streak of diarrhea running down his leg. Had the Pistons executed an Isiah Thomas Pistons patented walk-off at the start of the 4th quarter, I still don't think Rondo would have attempted a shot for the rest of the game.

Pierce was doing one of his "my knee hurts, even tho I'm the leader of this team and best scorer, I'm not even going to try to get the ball" routines. As the Heat took the lead, I was talking to the guy with the season ticket next to me asking him where his seats were for next year, thinking it could be the last time I ever saw the guy haha..

Then, big Ray drilled a 3 to put Boston back up with about 7:30 left. The fans came to life, the team stopped playing like they were pissing their pants, and the game eventually went to OT and Boston won, then went on to win game 6, and gave us a legit chance at the finals. People underestimate how pumped a Ray 3 got the crowd. Even just seeing him launch one has half the building ready to pop out of their seats. That doesn't happen when Mickael Pietrus lines up an ill-advised step-back 3.

Another thing is that people seem to think the Ray we just watched is the Ray that's going to exist moving forward. Guys, he is having ankle surgery. He'll be fine. He is probably going to lead the NBA in threes next year and could easily play into his 40s if he wants to. I had always hoped he would do this in a bench role here with the Celtics. Rondo did not look for him in transition enough, and even dating back to 2008 he was underutilized here.

Consider that Ray gave up 8 shots per game to make the big 3 marriage work. Why was he the one sacrificing the most? His teams in Seattle were the 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, and 9th best offenses in the league in the 4 years prior to the trade. KG's 'Sota teams were 5th, 6th, 28th, and 25th. Pierce's Celtics were 17th, 9th, 19th, and 28th. His Bucks offenses were also top of the league (1st one year, 2nd another year, top 10 a couple other years). So, based on the fact that you can consistently build a top 10, if not top 5 offense around Ray Allen, why are we sacrificing 8 shots from that guy when Pierce and KG didn't have similar track records of success offensively?

Yet of course, people are saying he road the coattails of Pierce and KG, which is ridiculous. He sacrificed to make this work. If Pierce had to sacrifice 8 shots per game and become the 3rd option I suspect he would have pouted his way out of town, and honestly that was my biggest concern at the time of the trade - that Paul wasn't going to be able to adjust to a reduced role. Ray was the guy who sacrificed the most to allow this to work and he'll be a fantastic addition for the Heat.

He should have stayed here. With all that said, he did sell out this organization because his ego ended up getting in the way. His role on this team was working. The team was a perennial contender and one of the most feared in the league. What they were doing collectively was working. As a fan, I am able to see what Ray sacrificed and I know he is as important to that ring as KG and Paul were. I feel he should have been the 08 finals MVP. I never would have disrespected his contributions and I wish he felt what I saw and chose to stay over taking 1/2 the money to legitimately ride the coattails of LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. He wants to talk about respect, well, he just signed up for 1/5 the money that those guys are making and they're all 5-8 years younger than him. Ridiculous that it had to end this way. I just think he made a decision specifically to spite the Celtics. He won't get more minutes, money, respect, or a bigger role in Miami. All he accomplished was hitting Boston where it hurts. Too bad. It was a good thing while it lasted.


wtf? Why don't you write an essay while you're at it.
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Post#675 » by King Of The 4th » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:25 pm

That picture is sickening. We need to knock out these clowns come June. See if Ray's decision will be as good when we send his team fishing early.
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Post#676 » by Roddy » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:31 pm

http://www.nesn.com/2012/07/ray-allen-news-conference-live-blog-heat-to-introduce-future-hall-of-famer-at-11-am.html

Allen texted Kevin Garnett after he made his decision to leave Boston.
According to Allen, Garnett pleaded with him to say, saying that Danny Ainge would get it done, but that obviously did not happen.

"I appreciate everything they did and it was a joy and a pleasure to play with them."

He also talked about the nature of the conversation with Ainge and Doc Rivers after informing them.

"They were disappointed. They really wanted me to come back. We won a lot together in five years. It's a lot obasketball and a lot of time spent together. They'll like not having me around because they won't have to pay me anymore when I beat up on them on the golf course. ... They're still friends of mine forever."
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Post#677 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:41 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jljKEpBqkI[/youtube]


Just listen to this.. Ray the politician strikes again.. I can't believe a grown man like Ray, who's supposed to be smart, fell for Riley's big talks, guess Ray's ego is bigger than any1's who's currently on our roster.. I still can't believe how he dissed us and signed for less money with the team that kept us from the finals and a potential ring this year.. I'm disgusted.
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Post#678 » by EJay33 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:48 pm

RondoToKG wrote:wtf? Why don't you write an essay while you're at it.


I pretty much did.. Just a lot to think about. On the one hand, he was disrespected. Ainge came up with a plan to bring back the boys that included him making less than Bass and Green. On the other hand, his demand to make $27mil from Boston, but willingness to take $9mil from Miami is completely childish.
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Post#679 » by Valid » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:50 pm

Is it just me, or does it look like Ray was close to crying at several points of that press conference? Seemed like his voice was shaking a lot.
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Post#680 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:56 pm

Valid wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like Ray was close to crying at several points of that press conference? Seemed like his voice was shaking a lot.


Crying with joy because he gets to ride the coattails of Lebron and Wade for another 3 titles.
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