Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[Captain_Caveman]

Wade Baldwin - remember that name

Givony already has him 18th on DX.

You think he goes higher?

[KJandHondo35]

Dunn was really good last night, not sure he's top 5 good but he definitely handled every UMass guard with ease. But considering he was dealing with the flu and still played really well... He shot way better than I thought he would, probably was a +30 something, does everything, most likely gonna be a Sixer next year.

[Justin33]

Dunn was really good last night, not sure he's top 5 good but he definitely handled every UMass guard with ease. But considering he was dealing with the flu and still played really well... He shot way better than I thought he would, probably was a +30 something, does everything, most likely gonna be a Sixer next year.

Your impression of Bentil?

[KJandHondo35]

Dunn was really good last night, not sure he's top 5 good but he definitely handled every UMass guard with ease. But considering he was dealing with the flu and still played really well... He shot way better than I thought he would, probably was a +30 something, does everything, most likely gonna be a Sixer next year.

Your impression of Bentil?

he OWNED the Minutemen, absolutely OWNED them. Don't know much about him like age or whatever but looks like he could have a NBA career. Really athletic, long, did whatever he wanted, reminds me of Rakeem Christmas in his senior year.

[ddb]

Dunn was really good last night, not sure he's top 5 good but he definitely handled every UMass guard with ease. But considering he was dealing with the flu and still played really well... He shot way better than I thought he would, probably was a +30 something, does everything, most likely gonna be a Sixer next year.

Yeah, I believe he's been dealing with the flu recently. Nontheless, he is the real deal. Playing against Umass isn't what it used to be either. Its just another game on the schedule for Dunn....
He is the best player on the floor every time he takes the floor. He can score at ease, but often times defers to teammates and plays team basketball. He defends. He's long for a PG.
When I see Dunn I see a mix of John Wall & Dwayne Wade. Thats his ceiling. He has all-star potential.
17ppg 8apg 5rpg type stat lines, and if he ends up in Philly, could easily drop 20ppg and up

[Justin33]

Dunn was really good last night, not sure he's top 5 good but he definitely handled every UMass guard with ease. But considering he was dealing with the flu and still played really well... He shot way better than I thought he would, probably was a +30 something, does everything, most likely gonna be a Sixer next year.

Your impression of Bentil?

he OWNED the Minutemen, absolutely OWNED them. Don't know much about him like age or whatever but looks like he could have a NBA career. Really athletic, long, did whatever he wanted, reminds me of Rakeem Christmas in his senior year.

He was right around 100 in his hs class a tad old for his class also.Last year he kept on getting stuck too far under the backboard having to jump back into the defense resulting in him getting his shot blocked quite a bit.This year he has had none of those issues and he runs the floor as well as any big in recent times His inside/outside skills are really starting to intrigue me and obviously he hits the weight room
He is currently averaging 18.8 8 rebounds

[BfB]

Wade Baldwin - remember that name

Givony already has him 18th on DX.

You think he goes higher?

Not sure where he goes in the draft, but he's one of the 10 best players in this draft. The kid could be groomed into a monster - length, size, shooting, playmaking, 2 way player - he's the goods.

If BOS gets "stuck" with picks this year, I got no problem ending up with this kid with the DAL pick and moving some guard depth in a trade. Love him.

[Gant]

Wade Baldwin - remember that name

Givony already has him 18th on DX.

You think he goes higher?

Not sure where he goes in the draft, but he's one of the 10 best players in this draft. The kid could be groomed into a monster - length, size, shooting, playmaking, 2 way player - he's the goods.

If BOS gets "stuck" with picks this year, I got no problem ending up with this kid with the DAL pick and moving some guard depth in a trade. Love him.

6'10" wingspan! http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wade-Baldwin-82826/

[165bows]

Wade Baldwin - remember that name

Givony already has him 18th on DX.

You think he goes higher?

Not sure where he goes in the draft, but he's one of the 10 best players in this draft. The kid could be groomed into a monster - length, size, shooting, playmaking, 2 way player - he's the goods.

If BOS gets "stuck" with picks this year, I got no problem ending up with this kid with the DAL pick and moving some guard depth in a trade. Love him.

Is Hammons a knucklehead or does he have potential?

[ddb]

Givony already has him 18th on DX.

You think he goes higher?

Not sure where he goes in the draft, but he's one of the 10 best players in this draft. The kid could be groomed into a monster - length, size, shooting, playmaking, 2 way player - he's the goods.

If BOS gets "stuck" with picks this year, I got no problem ending up with this kid with the DAL pick and moving some guard depth in a trade. Love him.

Is Hammons a knucklehead or does he have potential?

AJ Hammons? I dont think he is a knuckhead, but he's been at Purdue forever. Nothing special. Solid college Center.

[aim2please]

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicator of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

[KJandHondo35]

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicators of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

I was talking to my friend about this, Dunn really has feasted this year a lot purely bc he's the most seasoned/smartest player on the court. He does have nice athl and talent but I think most of him playing well is because he is calm and can operate, what happens when that isn't the case? In Smart's sophomore year he used that maturity with his talent to create a year worth of "WTF" moments, Dunn really hasn't nearly as much. To me he's Marginally better than Jerian Grant, not as good as Smart, I think he ends up closer to 10 than 5 but

[DarkAzcura]

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicators of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

I'm kinda interested in this too, but I don't think he should be completely written off because of a poor freshman year. He was pretty good last also (by the numbers at at least), and that was pretty much his second year of college (seems he was injured his soph year?).

Also, do you have any numbers on his at rim FG% in specific (I'm assuming that 46% number was his freshman year..)? His 2PT% is ~51%, and he's not really known as a shooter. How could he be poor at converting at the rim if his 2PT% is generally pretty good? Is his mid-range shot that good? I'll admit that I've not watched him much.

I'd say Kemba Walker is another example of what you are saying, though. He has turned out pretty good even though he had an eh freshman year.

[aim2please]

Spoiler:

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicators of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

I was talking to my friend about this, Dunn really has feasted this year a lot purely bc he's the most seasoned/smartest player on the court. He does have nice athl and talent but I think most of him playing well is because he is calm and can operate, what happens when that isn't the case? In Smart's sophomore year he used that maturity with his talent to create a year worth of "WTF" moments, Dunn really hasn't nearly as much. To me he's Marginally better than Jerian Grant, not as good as Smart, I think he ends up closer to 10 than 5 but

You won't believe, but I also thought about Jerian Grant when I was trying to find a good comp for Dunn. He also struggled 1st two seasons and had a good junior and senior year. I think Dunn can be a fine player, late lotto, mid first sounds about right. But top 5 pick? I don't see it.

[165bows]

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicators of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

I'm kinda interested in this too, but I don't think he should be completely written off because of a poor freshman year. He was pretty good last also (by the numbers at at least), and that was pretty much his second year of college (seems he was injured his soph year?).

Also, do you have any numbers on his at rim FG% in specific (I'm assuming that 46% number was his freshman year..)? His 2PT% is ~51%, and he's not really known as a shooter. How could he be poor at converting at the rim if his 2PT% is generally pretty good? Is his mid-range shot that good? I'll admit that I've not watched him much.

I'd say Kemba Walker is another example of what you are saying, though. He has turned out pretty good even though he had an eh freshman year.

http://hoop-math.com/Providence2016.php

[aim2please]

Spoiler:

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicators of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

I'm kinda interested in this too, but I don't think he should be completely written off because of a poor freshman year. He was pretty good last also (by the numbers at at least), and that was pretty much his second year of college (seems he was injured his soph year?).

Also, do you have any numbers on his at rim FG% in specific (I'm assuming that 46% number was his freshman year..)? His 2PT% is ~51%, and he's not really known as a shooter. How could he be poor at converting at the rim if his 2PT% is generally pretty good? Is his mid-range shot that good? I'll admit that I've not watched him much.

I'd say Kemba Walker is another example of what you are saying, though. He has turned out pretty good even though he had an eh freshman year.

46% at the rim - that number is from draftexpress article. They use it in this video, 4:03.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgDvoUfj5JY[/youtube]

[DarkAzcura]

Spoiler:

Couple of years ago, someone wrote a good article about how freshman year is a much better indicators of future success than junior or senior year. And really, when you go through drafts you find guys who struggled/haven't play much in their 1st year, had a good 3rd or 4th year, got picked in lottery and busted. Guys like Joe Alexander, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Terence Williams, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson..

Only guy I can think of that played poorly/sporadically as a freshman, had a great junior/senior year, got picked high then went to have a good NBA career is Oladipo.

I've been reading a lot of praises about Dunn, now draftexpress has him 4th. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about college basketball, but taking Dunn fourth seems ludicrous. If he's 4th best prospect than this draft is a lot weaker than I thought. Dunn is 17 months older than James Young. He's almost 22 years old. He's supposed to dominate in college.



Dunn shot 39% on a low volume his freshman year, 31% his sophomore year in 4 games before he got injured. Scoring guard who doesn't have an outside shot and shoots only 46% at the rim. Sounds great.

Can someone who follows college basketball explain what's the deal with Dunn? I agree he LOOKS smooth attacking the rim but the fact is he doesn't convert around the rim. What about shooting? He's not a great FT shooter so I see limited upside there. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand the hype.

I'm kinda interested in this too, but I don't think he should be completely written off because of a poor freshman year. He was pretty good last also (by the numbers at at least), and that was pretty much his second year of college (seems he was injured his soph year?).

Also, do you have any numbers on his at rim FG% in specific (I'm assuming that 46% number was his freshman year..)? His 2PT% is ~51%, and he's not really known as a shooter. How could he be poor at converting at the rim if his 2PT% is generally pretty good? Is his mid-range shot that good? I'll admit that I've not watched him much.

I'd say Kemba Walker is another example of what you are saying, though. He has turned out pretty good even though he had an eh freshman year.

46% at the rim - that number is from draftexpress article. They use it in this video, 4:03.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgDvoUfj5JY[/youtube]

Based on 165bow's link, it says he takes 46% of his total FGA at the rim. That doesn't mean he shoots 46% at the rim. He shoots 62% at the rim according to the link. It seems your video was based on either his freshman year or his junior year. I really doubt his at rim FG% was that poor his junior year, though, so if the video cites a 46% FG at the rim, it is likely inaccurate considering his overall 2PT% last season and this season.

[aim2please]

Spoiler:

I'm kinda interested in this too, but I don't think he should be completely written off because of a poor freshman year. He was pretty good last also (by the numbers at at least), and that was pretty much his second year of college (seems he was injured his soph year?).

Also, do you have any numbers on his at rim FG% in specific (I'm assuming that 46% number was his freshman year..)? His 2PT% is ~51%, and he's not really known as a shooter. How could he be poor at converting at the rim if his 2PT% is generally pretty good? Is his mid-range shot that good? I'll admit that I've not watched him much.

I'd say Kemba Walker is another example of what you are saying, though. He has turned out pretty good even though he had an eh freshman year.

46% at the rim - that number is from draftexpress article. They use it in this video, 4:03.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgDvoUfj5JY[/youtube]

Based on 165bow's link, it says he takes 46% of his total FGA at the rim. That doesn't mean he shoots 46% at the rim. He shoots 62% at the rim according to the link.

The article/video is from March. So 46% is definitely not from this season. According to that 165bow's site, he's good finishing at the rim - even last year. I would like to see another source, draftexpress guy is usually pretty good source. Maybe there's a difference in what shot at the rim means for different sites. If he's converting 60% at the rim that's impressive.

Edit: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Kris-Dunn-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-4852/

"The two biggest areas of concern surrounding Dunn offensively is his finishing around the basket and extreme turnover rate. Dunn converted an extremely poor 45% of his shots inside the paint in the half-court this season. Despite having ample strength and explosiveness, he shows average touch around the rim when forced to finish over length, and tends to avoid contact at all costs, showing a concerning lack of toughness in the process. Some of this might have to do with amount of time he missed with injuries and concerns about getting hurt again, but this was an issue prior to that as well. To his credit, he has a very nice floater he's developed from the middle of the paint that helps make up for his struggles at the rim to a certain extent."

[DarkAzcura]

Spoiler:

I'm kinda interested in this too, but I don't think he should be completely written off because of a poor freshman year. He was pretty good last also (by the numbers at at least), and that was pretty much his second year of college (seems he was injured his soph year?).

Also, do you have any numbers on his at rim FG% in specific (I'm assuming that 46% number was his freshman year..)? His 2PT% is ~51%, and he's not really known as a shooter. How could he be poor at converting at the rim if his 2PT% is generally pretty good? Is his mid-range shot that good? I'll admit that I've not watched him much.

I'd say Kemba Walker is another example of what you are saying, though. He has turned out pretty good even though he had an eh freshman year.

46% at the rim - that number is from draftexpress article. They use it in this video, 4:03.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgDvoUfj5JY[/youtube]

[/Spoiler]

Based on 165bow's link, it says he takes 46% of his total FGA at the rim. That doesn't mean he shoots 46% at the rim. He shoots 62% at the rim according to the link.

The article/video is from March. So 46% is definitely not from this season. According to that 165bow's site, he's good finishing at the rim - even last year. I would like to see another source, draftexpress guy is usually pretty good source. Maybe there's a difference in what shot at the rim means for different sites. If he's converting 60% at the rim that's impressive.[/quote]

They either took the numbers from his freshman year or his 4 game soph year. I really doubt he has a 46% FG at the rim last season or this season considering his overall 2PT%. I'm going to lean towards hoopmath's site being accurate. He is a slashing guard it seems so if he were only shooting 46% at the rim, he would need a ridiculous floater/jumper to keep his 2PT% in the 50-51% range. It's likely draftexpress made an error or they are using numbers from his freshman year and not being forthcoming about it.

Almost all stat taking websites tally any shot within 3 feet of the rim to be an "at-rim" shot. I doubt draftexpress has a different definition of it.

EDIT: Yup, just checked hoopmath's site for Dunn's freshman year. In his freshman year he shot 48% at the rim so it seems like draftexpress's video is going off his fresh year numbers for whatever reason.

[Gomes3PC]

Brown and Dunn can't shoot. Skal can't rebound. At this point if Boston has 3-6 I think Poeltl would be my choice. I could easily see Valentine being a better pro than some of your top picks, so I wouldn't mind trading down for another draft pick if Poeltl is not available.

Dunn can shoot. Not a knockdown guy but he's not even remotely an Elfrid Payton/Rondo type.