Trade Thread, Part 4: The Hayward Game

Homerclease · Post #661 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:35 pm

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The Corey's · Post #662 » by **The Corey's** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:35 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Writebloc wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Truth is the thinking man's **** poster lol.

I met Truth at the Barclay's center the night we drafted Tatum. It was quite a celebration. Glad I went to a draft, knocked an item off my bucket list. Hopefully there will be another one to attend someday. Truth is a great guy.

I bartended a Celts draft party once. First person at the bar was Tommy Heinsohn. Just a massive human being. He sat in the back with his wife, nursing his one scotch.

We wanted Keyon Dooling, but he went a pick ahead of us and we were stuck with Moiso. It was like ten straight minutes of f-bombs and shaked fists when Dooling's and Moiso's names were called, lol.

What a legend. Every year I'd be in awe opening night that tommy was still commentating and sharp as a knife. Rip buddy, it won't be the same.

BostonCouchGM · Post #663 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:36 pm

yeleven11 wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
yeleven11 wrote:
They can get up to 44M in cap space without trading Dedmon.

Think they can reasonably sign both Hayward and Gallo outright based on what the deals look like.

It's not the money that baffles me, it's that they already have Huerter/Hunter/Reddish. Signing Gallo and Hayward moves two of those young pieces to the bench for a team that's ceiling is the 5-6 seed I think

There's a reason why Trae signed with Klutch. He's already putting pressure on the organization to win now. He probably thinks he deserved all-nba last year and was tired of hearing the media saying they just couldn't vote for Trae because Atlanta won 25 games

Trae
30-4-9 and shot 36% from three playing terrible defense and with just a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio

Luka
29-9-9 and shot 31.6% from three playing terrible defense and with just a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio

the only difference is one guy has Porzingis and his team boxes out so he gets a handful of uncontested defensive rebounds a game and the other plays with a bunch of kids but shoots better.

So if Trae is thinking he should have made an all-NBA team he has a point. When is the last time a guy averaged close to 30 points and 9 assists and DIDN'T make an all-star team. Oh that's right, it's never happened. Only Oscar, Westbrook, Harden, and Doncic have done it and they all made all-NBA.

as a reminder the following made all-nba over him

Chris Paul
17-5-7 36% from three

Russell Westbrook
27-8-7 26% from three

Jimmy Butler
20-7-6 24% from three

Pascal Siakam

23-7-4 shooting 36% from three

If Doncic deserved 1st team (he didn't) than Trae deserved 3rd team with way better stats than the above. Yes his defense sucks but so does Doncic and Westbrook

Post #664 » by **djFan71** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:36 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:hayward/14/26/30 for Wiggy and 2

Do the numbers work again? Or are we just on a draft day high?

Yeah. It wouldn't use their TPE just straight salary for salary since Wiggins makes 29 mil this season

No, I mean for us taking on Wiggins. SWC and I discussed the future lux tax bill several times. Thought it was doable once, decided it wasn't, then now he may be back to it is.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #665 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:36 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:

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hayward/14/26/30 for Wiggy and 2

If we did manage to do that, I wonder if they'd just take Wiseman at two, or trade 2 for WCJ and 4. I would prefer either of those options to going all in on Harden. If we get Harden, I think it'll be a really unlikable team, just like the Kyrie team was.

Captain_Caveman · Post #666 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:36 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:hayward/14/26/30 for Wiggy and 2

Do the numbers work again? Or are we just on a draft day high?

Yeah. It wouldn't use their TPE just straight salary for salary since Wiggins makes 29 mil this season

They'd want Smart as well.

reload141 · Post #667 » by **reload141** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:37 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Do the numbers work again? Or are we just on a draft day high?

Yeah. It wouldn't use their TPE just straight salary for salary since Wiggins makes 29 mil this season

They'd want Smart as well.

Then I'd want that Min pick for next year which is when the deal falls apart.

greenroom31 · Post #668 » by **greenroom31** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:38 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:

Read on Twitter

It's not too late... https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7355156

We send #14, they send #2

Danny is probably trying to get them to take #26 instead of #14 lol

ajones9219 · Post #669 » by **ajones9219** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:39 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Do the numbers work again? Or are we just on a draft day high?

Yeah. It wouldn't use their TPE just straight salary for salary since Wiggins makes 29 mil this season

They'd want Smart as well.

Then the numbers cease to work unless my math is off. TPEs can't be combined with any other contracts to make deals work unless we sent smart in a "separate" deal to skirt the rules

The Corey's · Post #670 » by **The Corey's** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:39 pm

Humble might as well of said "the most hated on of all those who say they get hated on"

fallguy · Post #671 » by **fallguy** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:39 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Writebloc wrote:
I met Truth at the Barclay's center the night we drafted Tatum. It was quite a celebration. Glad I went to a draft, knocked an item off my bucket list. Hopefully there will be another one to attend someday. Truth is a great guy.

I bartended a Celts draft party once. First person at the bar was Tommy Heinsohn. Just a massive human being. He sat in the back with his wife, nursing his one scotch.

We wanted Keyon Dooling, but he went a pick ahead of us and we were stuck with Moiso. It was like ten straight minutes of f-bombs and shaked fists when Dooling's and Moiso's names were called, lol.

What a legend. Every year I'd be in awe opening night that tommy was still commentating and sharp as a knife. Rip buddy, it won't be the same.

I met Tommy a few times. Same with Gorman. They are both great dudes. Gorman in particular is every bit the gentlemen you think he is.

chrisab123 · Post #672 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:39 pm

Homerclease wrote:

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Probably some truth to it. But have these guys ever gotten anything right? I look at them in the same light as Incarcerated Bob and Blakely.

Homerclease · Post #673 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

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pac213up · Post #674 » by **pac213up** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

This thread has turned into a slow walk down memory lane. The Humble post was fantastic.

chrisab123 · Post #675 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

The Corey's wrote:Humble might as well of said "the most hated on of all those who say they get hated on"

Humble was a magnet for that. He pretty much deserved everything he got. Banners I'd bring back lol. Moose just started nonsense threads.

fallguy · Post #676 » by **fallguy** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

At this point, it will be such a letdown if we just shift around draft picks.

greenroom31 · Post #677 » by **greenroom31** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

greenroom31 wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:

Read on Twitter

It's not too late... https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7355156

We send #14, they send #2

Danny is probably trying to get them to take #26 instead of #14 lol

Or maybe they want us to take Wiggins back: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7355161

They send #2 and we send #30

ajones9219 · Post #678 » by **ajones9219** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

djFan71 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Do the numbers work again? Or are we just on a draft day high?

Yeah. It wouldn't use their TPE just straight salary for salary since Wiggins makes 29 mil this season

No, I mean for us taking on Wiggins. SWC and I discussed the future lux tax bill several times. Thought it was doable once, decided it wasn't, then now he may be back to it is.

Wiggins and Hayward make nearly equal money so its around the same as just keeping hayward

Curmudgeon · Post #679 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:43 pm

No because Hayward has a trade kicker.

GS would have to throw in some cap fodder because of Hayward's trade kicker. 125% of Wiggins' salary is $34.375 mill. Hayward makes $34.4 but with his kicker that makes $38.4. So GS would have to find roughly $4M in additional cap fodder to send back. Kevon Looney would do it but they wouldn't want to part with him.

One solution would have been a sign and trade for Dragan Bender, their only unrestricted free agent. He would get a 4M+ windfall from the Celtics, who would then waive him so that he can go back to Europe. Alas, Bender is already under contract with Maccabai Tel Aviv. So I don't have an easy solution unless Hayward waives his trade kicker, which he won't do.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #680 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:43 pm

I'm with Timi on this :

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