Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Hal14]

Tate is having his worst season shooting ever.
Lastly, if poor shooters can become 40% three-point shooters by virtue of joining the Celtics, then why are we targeting 6'4 tweener forwards? Get a 6'10 guy who can't shoot and turn him into a 40% shooter.

Tate is having his best shooting season ever. The stats are right on basketball reference.

3 pt shooting:
20-21 season: 30%
21-22 season: 31%
22-23 season: 28%
23-24 season: 32%

While it looks like he's listed at 6'4" now, I know for a fact that earlier in his career he was listed at 6'5". And he's 230 lbs so pretty similar build to Grant Williams - except tate is quicker, more athletic, better handles, better passing, better defense, better at posting up, driving to the basket but worse shooter..

He's at 31.9% on wide open threes which is the worst since his rookie season. He shoots .357 on corner threes. He is a horrible shooter.
Having a similar build to Grant Williams is not a positive.

Yeah well Grant Williams' build has allowed him to defend 4's and 5's, despite being shorter.

So i pointed that out, since you were implying that Tate is just a 6'4" short guy who is undersized. He's not, if you've seen him play, he plays much bigger than his listed height. Kind of like how PJ Tucker plays much bigger than his.

Also, it's weird. The rest of us are bringing up possible trade targets, discussing the pros and cons of each. You're contributing nothing except negativity about every player that's brought up.

Anyone we get is gonna have flaws - we're not gonna get a perfect player, considering the financial implications, the limited assets/resources we have to make a move and how few teams right now appear to be sellers and considering the limited amount of playing time we can offer any player we might add, given how good our top 6 guys are..

[Hal14]

Too bad Tate doesn't fit the Grant TPE.

Banton, Svi, and Lamar for Tate?

I believe he does fit, cause there's a buffer where you can acquire a guy who makes like $250K more than the TPE.

He doesn't. He makes $47,500 more than the TPE + $250K.

Oh snap..

[165bows]

I believe he does fit, cause there's a buffer where you can acquire a guy who makes like $250K more than the TPE.

He doesn't. He makes $47,500 more than the TPE + $250K.

Oh snap..

Guess they didn't want him that much lol.

[ddb]

Tate is having his best shooting season ever. The stats are right on basketball reference.

3 pt shooting:
20-21 season: 30%
21-22 season: 31%
22-23 season: 28%
23-24 season: 32%

While it looks like he's listed at 6'4" now, I know for a fact that earlier in his career he was listed at 6'5". And he's 230 lbs so pretty similar build to Grant Williams - except tate is quicker, more athletic, better handles, better passing, better defense, better at posting up, driving to the basket but worse shooter..

He's at 31.9% on wide open threes which is the worst since his rookie season. He shoots .357 on corner threes. He is a horrible shooter.
Having a similar build to Grant Williams is not a positive.

Yeah well Grant Williams' build has allowed him to defend 4's and 5's, despite being shorter.

So i pointed that out, since you were implying that Tate is just a 6'4" short guy who is undersized. He's not, if you've seen him play, he plays much bigger than his listed height. Kind of like how PJ Tucker plays much bigger than his.

Also, it's weird. The rest of us are bringing up possible trade targets, discussing the pros and cons of each. You're contributing nothing except negativity about every player that's brought up.

Anyone we get is gonna have flaws - we're not gonna get a perfect player, considering the financial implications, the limited assets/resources we have to make a move and how few teams right now appear to be sellers and considering the limited amount of playing time we can offer any player we might add, given how good our top 6 guys are..

Call me an A-Hole but I'm relieved and thrilled that Marcus Smart & Grant Williams are no longer on the Celtics. Celts are a better team without them. Sorry, but it's true. Jrue & DWhite are both better than Marcus. And I love having a committee filling in for Grant, who I never liked. Solid-yes, but frustrating to watch.

[ddb]

Here's what is awesome about the 23-24 Celtics. They really DON'T need to make a trade to have a good shot at winning the title. But with that said, they probably will make a trade to further bolster the roster. I'd say it's safe to say ownership & front office are ALL-IN on winning a title or two over the next 2-3 seasons. Cap/tax problems aside. For now.

My approach on the deadline is find a deal, if possible, for a player that can actually help in the playoffs. Need to envision the player contributing against the likes of the Heat, 76ers, Bucks, etc. It's a tough road ahead in the east this season. I don't see the point in bringing in another body just to bring in another body.

If a Caruso deal is possible. He's a guy I'd want. If Xavier Tillman is available, I'm interested in him too. Dario Saric, absolutely. Somebody like that. Needs to be someone that's tough and mentally tough. Furthermore, I'd like to see someone that brings at least 1 elite skill i.e. perimeter defense, rebounding, high hoops IQ. Celts don't really need a score first guy, but it would be nice if the player can at least make a shot when left open.

Caruso is blue sky. He adds so much. I like Pritchard, don't get me wrong....but I struggle to see him contributing in the east finals or finals unless it's swinging the crowd at home by making a shot or two. he will not help in any other way. Caruso is a dog. A trio of Jrue/White/Caruso is CRAZY

[TatumMVP]

I think Bey is better than Tate.

Bey's ceiling is also higher.

Tate is a finished product.

Way way better.

[TatumMVP]

Here's what is awesome about the 23-24 Celtics. They really DON'T need to make a trade to have a good shot at winning the title. But with that said, they probably will make a trade to further bolster the roster. I'd say it's safe to say ownership & front office are ALL-IN on winning a title or two over the next 2-3 seasons. Cap/tax problems aside. For now.

My approach on the deadline is find a deal, if possible, for a player that can actually help in the playoffs. Need to envision the player contributing against the likes of the Heat, 76ers, Bucks, etc. It's a tough road ahead in the east this season. I don't see the point in bringing in another body just to bring in another body.

If a Caruso deal is possible. He's a guy I'd want. If Xavier Tillman is available, I'm interested in him too. Dario Saric, absolutely. Somebody like that. Needs to be someone that's tough and mentally tough. Furthermore, I'd like to see someone that brings at least 1 elite skill i.e. perimeter defense, rebounding, high hoops IQ. Celts don't really need a score first guy, but it would be nice if the player can at least make a shot when left open.

Caruso is blue sky. He adds so much. I like Pritchard, don't get me wrong....but I struggle to see him contributing in the east finals or finals unless it's swinging the crowd at home by making a shot or two. he will not help in any other way. Caruso is a dog. A trio of Jrue/White/Caruso is CRAZY

Adding Caruso to this team would be like the Lakers adding Rondo to their championship team.

[Memokerobi]

Tillman is 6'7. No thanks.

7'2 wingspan tho

[BK_2020]

Tillman is 6'7. No thanks.

7'2 wingspan tho

7'6 wingspan or bust

[playa-hater]

Take this for what it's worth, but my one "supposedly connected" talking head is claiming everyone But Curry is available for a trade.

*this person has been right quite a bit last summer.

[Larry_Russell]

Take this for what it's worth, but my one "supposedly connected" talking head is claiming everyone But Curry is available for a trade.

*this person has been right quite a bit last summer.

hat makes sense on GSW sense.

Not sure who gives them what they need (Maybe Toronto?)

but we can certainly help with picks for moody.


Something like
Wiggins, Looney, Svi and picks from Boston and GSW to Toronto

Siakam, Brissett and Porter Jr to GSW

Moody to Boston (WOuld love kuminga as well, but love moody)


LEaves GSW with

Curry/Joseph
Podz/Payton2
Klay/Porter Jr
Siakam/Brissett
Donkey/Saric


Toronto
Quickley/Schroeder
Barrett/Trent
Wiggins/McDaniels
Barnes/Boucher
Poeltl/Looney


Boston

Jrue/Pritchard
White/Moody
Brown/Hauser
Tatum/Kuminga
Porzingas/Horford

dont rain on my parade.

[Hal14]

Read on Twitter

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Read on Twitter

Ouch. That is a bit of a disappointment.
Why even bother to create TPEs when you rarely use them?
And we all know the Celtics could use a backup wing upgrade and another scorer from the bench.
Let's hope this report is of low merit...

[fallguy]

Read on Twitter

Ouch. That is a bit of a disappointment.
Why even bother to create TPEs when you rarely use them?
And we all know the Celtics could use a backup wing upgrade and another scorer from the bench.
Let's hope this report is of low merit...

Don't get your hopes up. We have a tiny TPE and all the pieces we need to win a title. Another player is probably incoming but it'll probably be underwhelming.

[BK_2020]

Read on Twitter

Ouch. That is a bit of a disappointment.
Why even bother to create TPEs when you rarely use them?
And we all know the Celtics could use a backup wing upgrade and another scorer from the bench.
Let's hope this report is of low merit...

It's not a report, it's just some guy saying we aren't in any of the rumors.

[Hal14]

Read on Twitter

Ouch. That is a bit of a disappointment.
Why even bother to create TPEs when you rarely use them?
And we all know the Celtics could use a backup wing upgrade and another scorer from the bench.
Let's hope this report is of low merit...

I interpret the tweet to mean "there's some spicy rumors going around, involving big names like Klay Thompson, Siakam, Zach Lavine and Dejounte Murray. The Celtics aren't involved in those rumors"

That shouldn't be surprising. Our top 6 guys is set. We're obviously not going after someone like Lavine, Klay, Siakam or Dejounte.

So we might make a small move for a bench piece with the TPE, but don't expect us to go after any of the big names.

That's how I interpret it..

[BK_2020]

Biyombo waived.
Doubtful a guy who just got waived by the Grizzlies have a role for us.

[Dogen]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274257/Warriors-Willing-To-Consider-Any-Player-In-Trade-Scenario-Except-Stephen-Curry

"In the front office, they're big fans of Jonathan Kuminga, they're big fans of Brandon Podziemski, big fans of Trace Jackson-Davis. But [Andrew] Wiggins and everyone else on that roster, except Steph Curry, has to be in play for this team.

Not big fans of Moses? I think if they trade Moody, Celtics don't have what it takes to get him, but he fits in the TPE, which can be seasoned with picks.

Kerr is starting to play him. Maybe get him some chance in the rotation? Maybe showcase him for trade?


....and, he's injured! Dang it: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-moses-moody-injury-steve-kerr-provides-latest-update-warriors-guard-s-setback

[Captain_Caveman]

Take this for what it's worth, but my one "supposedly connected" talking head is claiming everyone But Curry is available for a trade.

*this person has been right quite a bit last summer.

hat makes sense on GSW sense.

Not sure who gives them what they need (Maybe Toronto?)

but we can certainly help with picks for moody.


Something like
Wiggins, Looney, Svi and picks from Boston and GSW to Toronto

Siakam, Brissett and Porter Jr to GSW

Moody to Boston (WOuld love kuminga as well, but love moody)


LEaves GSW with

Curry/Joseph
Podz/Payton2
Klay/Porter Jr
Siakam/Brissett
Donkey/Saric


Toronto
Quickley/Schroeder
Barrett/Trent
Wiggins/McDaniels
Barnes/Boucher
Poeltl/Looney


Boston

Jrue/Pritchard
White/Moody
Brown/Hauser
Tatum/Kuminga
Porzingas/Horford

dont rain on my parade.

[Dogen]

Take this for what it's worth, but my one "supposedly connected" talking head is claiming everyone But Curry is available for a trade.

*this person has been right quite a bit last summer.

hat makes sense on GSW sense.

Not sure who gives them what they need (Maybe Toronto?)

but we can certainly help with picks for moody.


Something like
Wiggins, Looney, Svi and picks from Boston and GSW to Toronto

Siakam, Brissett and Porter Jr to GSW

Moody to Boston (WOuld love kuminga as well, but love moody)


LEaves GSW with

Curry/Joseph
Podz/Payton2
Klay/Porter Jr
Siakam/Brissett
Donkey/Saric


Toronto
Quickley/Schroeder
Barrett/Trent
Wiggins/McDaniels
Barnes/Boucher
Poeltl/Looney


Boston

Jrue/Pritchard
White/Moody
Brown/Hauser
Tatum/Kuminga
Porzingas/Horford

dont rain on my parade.

When I first looked at this, I thought, "no way". But the Celtics are stinking it up in Milwaukee so I took another look.

Interesting.

Warriors get the best player and a few bench pieces but lose a trusty center and an underwhelming year for Wiggins.

Toronto gets native son Wiggins back in Canada, a solid big, a bench shooter and picks (split from GSW and BOS)

Boston gets the guy I want in Moody (he'd fit right in) and lose some bench players we don't really need (maybe they want to keep Brissett).

I see how you conveniently dropped Kuminga in for Boston. I don't see that happening (hope you brought an umbrella). GS will probably keep him, or get something more than that offer.

But two guys going out for Boston opens the door for using the TPE and adding a 2 way player to the roster.