The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[ConstableGeneva]

IMO it helps to look at the big picture. Durant chose Roc Nation as an agency ostensibly since he thinks that's who can best represent his interests, ie, get him what he wants.

They have a history of making big, surprising moves that don't always match up with cliched FA talking points. Eg moving Robinson Cano out of NY to the Seattle Mariners.

It's also worth considering the Celtics have been attached to most of Roc Nations' basketball clients up to this point, including James Young, Justise Winslow and their rumored interest in Willie Cauley-Stein in 2014.

So to me it boils down to whether they want to pick a team that can be looked at as 'his team' or if they'd rather a splashy team-up scenario. The on-court money is very similar either way so it's really about what is the best off-court avenue for them to take.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/703808560212226049[/tweet]He could always make the Lakers relevant again. *Puke*

[FlatearthZorro]

IMO it helps to look at the big picture. Durant chose Roc Nation as an agency ostensibly since he thinks that's who can best represent his interests, ie, get him what he wants.

They have a history of making big, surprising moves that don't always match up with cliched FA talking points. Eg moving Robinson Cano out of NY to the Seattle Mariners.

It's also worth considering the Celtics have been attached to most of Roc Nations' basketball clients up to this point, including James Young, Justise Winslow and their rumored interest in Willie Cauley-Stein in 2014.

So to me it boils down to whether they want to pick a team that can be looked at as 'his team' or if they'd rather a splashy team-up scenario. The on-court money is very similar either way so it's really about what is the best off-court avenue for them to take.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/703808560212226049[/tweet]He could always make the Lakers relevant again. *Puke*

I don't see Durant, wating to play for the Lakers.. Much easier for him to take more money and just stay with Westbrook on the Thunder team...


That being said, we should be in much more of a consideration than LAL... I mean we got a better team, we're in the East and so on...

On a side note, I see people around saying Westbrook is better than Durant, which to me is absurd.... I don't see Westbrook winning anything in his career, unless things change dramatically... He just takes way too many bad shots, any time I watch him play. I'd take Durant over Westbrook 100 out of 100 times and Durant would fit our team so well.... Ohh and just I was writing this- last night Westbrook 10 of 29 for 26 points... Has always seemed so inefficient to me.

[165bows]

IMO it helps to look at the big picture. Durant chose Roc Nation as an agency ostensibly since he thinks that's who can best represent his interests, ie, get him what he wants.

They have a history of making big, surprising moves that don't always match up with cliched FA talking points. Eg moving Robinson Cano out of NY to the Seattle Mariners.

It's also worth considering the Celtics have been attached to most of Roc Nations' basketball clients up to this point, including James Young, Justise Winslow and their rumored interest in Willie Cauley-Stein in 2014.

So to me it boils down to whether they want to pick a team that can be looked at as 'his team' or if they'd rather a splashy team-up scenario. The on-court money is very similar either way so it's really about what is the best off-court avenue for them to take.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/703808560212226049[/tweet]He could always make the Lakers relevant again. *Puke*

I don't see Durant, wating to play for the Lakers.. Much easier for him to take more money and just stay with Westbrook on the Thunder team...


That being said, we should be in much more of a consideration than LAL... I mean we got a better team, we're in the East and so on...

On a side note, I see people around saying Westbrook is better than Durant, which to me is absurd.... I don't see Westbrook winning anything in his career, unless things change dramatically... He just takes way too many bad shots, any time I watch him play. I'd take Durant over Westbrook 100 out of 100 times and Durant would fit our team so well.... Ohh and just I was writing this- last night Westbrook 10 of 29 for 26 points... Has always seemed so inefficient to me.

Hey only took him forty possessions lol.

[Captain_Caveman]

Correct
Jimmy Butler was the target. A friend works in the front office, the deal agreed to was Jimmy Butler for Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Nets ’16 Pick. Agreed to by Celtics and Bulls, but Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf vetoed the trade. The Celtics will try again for Butler in the offseason.

by greenteam17 on Feb 27, 2016 | 8:27 AM up reply
!!
How certain are you about your source and your information?

by Greenteamer99 on Feb 27, 2016 | 8:45 AM up reply
100%, I have no agenda to push, and nothing to gain from promoting bad information. I know people will challenge or question this, but I wanted other Celtics fans to hear this because when I heard it I was floored. The goal was to get Butler to attract KD as a free agent. But now the offseason goal is to get two of: K Love, KD, and Butler. This is the goal, but obviously that doesn’t guarantee anything.

by greenteam17 on Feb 27, 2016 | 9:27 AM up reply

Found this on Celticsblog...

No way Danny would give 3 top assest for Butler, Do not see this!

I 100% believe this, actually.

[FlatearthZorro]

Correct
Jimmy Butler was the target. A friend works in the front office, the deal agreed to was Jimmy Butler for Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Nets ’16 Pick. Agreed to by Celtics and Bulls, but Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf vetoed the trade. The Celtics will try again for Butler in the offseason.

by greenteam17 on Feb 27, 2016 | 8:27 AM up reply
!!
How certain are you about your source and your information?

by Greenteamer99 on Feb 27, 2016 | 8:45 AM up reply
100%, I have no agenda to push, and nothing to gain from promoting bad information. I know people will challenge or question this, but I wanted other Celtics fans to hear this because when I heard it I was floored. The goal was to get Butler to attract KD as a free agent. But now the offseason goal is to get two of: K Love, KD, and Butler. This is the goal, but obviously that doesn’t guarantee anything.

by greenteam17 on Feb 27, 2016 | 9:27 AM up reply

Found this on Celticsblog...

No way Danny would give 3 top assest for Butler, Do not see this!

I 100% believe this, actually.

Me too, that's a fantastic offer for Butler. I mean Butler is better than Smart and Crowder, but a young guy, a very good role player on a fantastic long-term deal and a potential top 5 pick for Butler is a pretty darn good offer, imo..

[FlatearthZorro]

Oh, also word is Kevin Martin is about to get bought out by Minny. I really think, he can fit our bench and play well with Smart/Turner. Decent 3 point shooter, good scorer. Wouldn't mind having him for the vet min(he's a bad defender, but Brad is able to make every1 look good on D so far outside of Lee and maybe Zeller)

[Captain_Caveman]

Found this on Celticsblog...

No way Danny would give 3 top assest for Butler, Do not see this!

I 100% believe this, actually.

Me too, that's a fantastic offer for Butler. I mean Butler is better than Smart and Crowder, but a young guy, a very good role player on a fantastic long-term deal and a potential top 5 pick for Butler is a pretty darn good offer, imo..

Lbf also already relayed that Butler was the likely target. Ddb claimed there was a near huge deal as well.

[SMTBSI]

Correct
Jimmy Butler was the target. A friend works in the front office, the deal agreed to was Jimmy Butler for Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Nets ’16 Pick. Agreed to by Celtics and Bulls, but Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf vetoed the trade. The Celtics will try again for Butler in the offseason.

by greenteam17 on Feb 27, 2016 | 8:27 AM up reply
!!
How certain are you about your source and your information?

by Greenteamer99 on Feb 27, 2016 | 8:45 AM up reply
100%, I have no agenda to push, and nothing to gain from promoting bad information. I know people will challenge or question this, but I wanted other Celtics fans to hear this because when I heard it I was floored. The goal was to get Butler to attract KD as a free agent. But now the offseason goal is to get two of: K Love, KD, and Butler. This is the goal, but obviously that doesn’t guarantee anything.

by greenteam17 on Feb 27, 2016 | 9:27 AM up reply

Found this on Celticsblog...

No way Danny would give 3 top assest for Butler, Do not see this!

I 100% believe this, actually.

Yup. No way to be sure, but that's the kind of deal it would have taken, and I see us being willing to make it. Also synergizes with lbf.

I love Crowder and Smart, and am plenty excited about the idea of keeping that pick and adding top-5 talent to this team, but IT, Butler, two more BRK picks, and a max salary slot is a darned good spot to find yourself in...

[radcot]

I would agree the deal sounds quite credible, especially knowing what Danny was willing to give up for Winslow. I love Butler and all, but, wow, is he THAT good? Sounds like an awful lot to give up.

[Green89]

Found this on Celticsblog...

No way Danny would give 3 top assest for Butler, Do not see this!

I 100% believe this, actually.

Yup. No way to be sure, but that's the kind of deal it would have taken, and I see us being willing to make it. Also synergizes with lbf.

I love Crowder and Smart, and am plenty excited about the idea of keeping that pick and adding top-5 talent to this team, but IT, Butler, two more BRK picks, and a max salary slot is a darned good spot to find yourself in...

Smart, Crowder, and the Nets pick is not worth it for a guy averaging 1PPG more than IT (in over 5 minutes more per game). I'm so glad none of you guys are our GM! We'd be a much worse team losing Smart and Crowder and adding Butler. If Crowder's offense comes on a little more, like it's been surging as of late, we nearly got ourselves a Jimmy Butler already. A glue guy like Crowder is a must for a title run. You don't just give him up unless it's for a guy like Durant, which makes you instrumentally better. Butler doesn't do that. I have a hard time believing if this deal was proposed that it was the Bulls that turned it down. Most likely it was Danny.

[Fencer reregistered]

I hope that's not a credible leak, because it suggests other teams will ask for the moon in any deal they're discussing with Ainge ...

[SmartWentCrazy]

I would agree the deal sounds quite credible, especially knowing what Danny was willing to give up for Winslow. I love Butler and all, but, wow, is he THAT good? Sounds like an awful lot to give up.

Yes, he is. He's also signed to a below market deal with 3 more seasons after this one. For as valuable an asset Crowder is with his contract, Butler is significantly more valuable.

This is unfortunately the cost of a star in his prime with multiple years left on his contract. Teams need to be overwhelmed to give up those players.

Lastly, I remember Ainge trying to flip Rondo for Curry 5 or so years ago-- he's very good at exchanging assets while their high for other assets that are undervalued. I love Crowder, but this trade reminds me a lot of Rondo for Curry. I'm imagining this deal will go through on the off-season, pending the outcome of the lottery. The Bulls owner loves money, and probably didn't want to pass on any extra playoff revenue, in my opinion.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I 100% believe this, actually.

Yup. No way to be sure, but that's the kind of deal it would have taken, and I see us being willing to make it. Also synergizes with lbf.

I love Crowder and Smart, and am plenty excited about the idea of keeping that pick and adding top-5 talent to this team, but IT, Butler, two more BRK picks, and a max salary slot is a darned good spot to find yourself in...

Smart, Crowder, and the Nets pick is not worth it for a guy averaging 1PPG more than IT (in over 5 minutes more per game). I'm so glad none of you guys are our GM! We'd be a much worse team losing Smart and Crowder and adding Butler. If Crowder's offense comes on a little more, like it's been surging as of late, we nearly got ourselves a Jimmy Butler already. A glue guy like Crowder is a must for a title run. You don't just give him up unless it's for a guy like Durant, which makes you instrumentally better. Butler doesn't do that. I have a hard time believing if this deal was proposed that it was the Bulls that turned it down. Most likely it was Danny.

Im not debating the merits of this deal-- I already said it seemed a little rich-- but on what planet is a "glue guy" only tradable for a top 5 player?

[truth18]

Yup. No way to be sure, but that's the kind of deal it would have taken, and I see us being willing to make it. Also synergizes with lbf.

I love Crowder and Smart, and am plenty excited about the idea of keeping that pick and adding top-5 talent to this team, but IT, Butler, two more BRK picks, and a max salary slot is a darned good spot to find yourself in...

Smart, Crowder, and the Nets pick is not worth it for a guy averaging 1PPG more than IT (in over 5 minutes more per game). I'm so glad none of you guys are our GM! We'd be a much worse team losing Smart and Crowder and adding Butler. If Crowder's offense comes on a little more, like it's been surging as of late, we nearly got ourselves a Jimmy Butler already. A glue guy like Crowder is a must for a title run. You don't just give him up unless it's for a guy like Durant, which makes you instrumentally better. Butler doesn't do that. I have a hard time believing if this deal was proposed that it was the Bulls that turned it down. Most likely it was Danny.

Im not debating the merits of this deal-- I already said it seemed a little rich-- but on what planet is a "glue guy" only tradable for a top 5 player?

I loved Crowder the moment he arrived here, and actually liked him in Dallas as well, but people have become overly attached to him. Great player, but I would trade him for Butler. Obviously the ideal would be to pair them as they are friends and old teammates.

[Homerclease]

I'd love to keep crowder and swap him out for Bradley and another 1st rounder but I would totally get why the Bulls would rather have Jae. I'd do the original deal in a heartbeat, Butler is that good and he'd be even better here. Of all the players floated around in trade rumors, Butler is the best of the bunch and that includes guys like Blake and Boogie.

[FakeScreenName123]

He could always make the Lakers relevant again. *Puke*

if you add Durant to Lakers they're still not a championship level team


lololololkers

[Captain_Caveman]

Found this on Celticsblog...

No way Danny would give 3 top assest for Butler, Do not see this!

I 100% believe this, actually.

Yup. No way to be sure, but that's the kind of deal it would have taken, and I see us being willing to make it. Also synergizes with lbf.

I love Crowder and Smart, and am plenty excited about the idea of keeping that pick and adding top-5 talent to this team, but IT, Butler, two more BRK picks, and a max salary slot is a darned good spot to find yourself in...

BfB also talked about Butler as the target in free agency last year, in order to lure LMA and Mathews.

[Captain_Caveman]

I 100% believe this, actually.

Yup. No way to be sure, but that's the kind of deal it would have taken, and I see us being willing to make it. Also synergizes with lbf.

I love Crowder and Smart, and am plenty excited about the idea of keeping that pick and adding top-5 talent to this team, but IT, Butler, two more BRK picks, and a max salary slot is a darned good spot to find yourself in...

Smart, Crowder, and the Nets pick is not worth it for a guy averaging 1PPG more than IT (in over 5 minutes more per game). I'm so glad none of you guys are our GM! We'd be a much worse team losing Smart and Crowder and adding Butler. If Crowder's offense comes on a little more, like it's been surging as of late, we nearly got ourselves a Jimmy Butler already. A glue guy like Crowder is a must for a title run. You don't just give him up unless it's for a guy like Durant, which makes you instrumentally better. Butler doesn't do that. I have a hard time believing if this deal was proposed that it was the Bulls that turned it down. Most likely it was Danny.

A David Lee fanboy lecturing people about basketball? Whatever. Danny plays chess on a level that your brain can't even compute. If you have a top 5 player and another two top 25 players, you can win titles. And if you don't, you won't.

In the big picture, Smart and Crowder are absolute nobodies. Jimmy Butler is not.

That trade barely even makes a dent in our asset base, and would leave us enough to add another all-star before pursuing a major free agent like Durant, who we currently have no shot whatsoever to land. All while retaining a bunch of future first rounders and a top-tier supporting cast of role players.

[DarkAzcura]

At face value, Butler is absolutely not worth that much, but if Ainge somehow knows that Durant had 'x about a chances' to sign on with Boston if they traded for 'x player,' you should probably do the deal. If Ainge is making that trade without knowledge that it definitely improves his shot at luring in Durant, that is a significant overpay.

[truth18]

Have people not seen Butler play recently? I mean I don't blame you given how boring the Bulls are but he's an amazing player.