Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[VeryMuchWoke]

I could also see us getting out of Horford's contract agreeably at that point - send him to Washington, where he almost signed, get Gortat and Mahinmi, send Ian somewhere else for a big contract, salary chip. You could do Horford to WAS, Gortat and Butler to BOS, Mahinmi, Jaylen + to Chicago for Butler.

If it's giving us Gortat and Jimmy Butler? And it's replacing their one aging good player with a big contract with another aging good player with a bigger contract, and is cap neutral for them? CHI would be getting Mahinmi as salary ballast, with other assets from us/WAS going to them.

Look at the trade from Washington's perspective. It's pretty easy to see they get over on us and Chicago. They give up the two worst assets (and worst players) in the deal, and come out of it with Horford. There are 0 teams that would prefer Ian and Gortat's deal to Horford's.

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

[Andrew McCeltic]

Right, except Drummond does impact our rebounding immediately. I'd also say about his scoring, you know, anyone remember the year Rondo was out and we had Avery playing point guard? Disaster. But I'm not sure you get this year's Avery, with great situational handles, without that year's Avery bottoming out.

Drummond doesn't need to become Al Jefferson with varied post moves. He needs one or two reliable go-to's, some sense of how to use his size and strength, and that's it. Then he's a competent scorer you have to at least defend against.

He's not my first choice, he has a ways to go, but with Horford, whoever else, Brad, Danny, he'd be in an environment to maximize his potential, teach him well and at the right pace, and increase the odds he gets better. He'd be a defensible gamble at the 5 spot. My only worry would be giving up the BKN 18 for him and then missing on a better center in next year's draft.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I could also see us getting out of Horford's contract agreeably at that point - send him to Washington, where he almost signed, get Gortat and Mahinmi, send Ian somewhere else for a big contract, salary chip. You could do Horford to WAS, Gortat and Butler to BOS, Mahinmi, Jaylen + to Chicago for Butler.

If it's giving us Gortat and Jimmy Butler? And it's replacing their one aging good player with a big contract with another aging good player with a bigger contract, and is cap neutral for them? CHI would be getting Mahinmi as salary ballast, with other assets from us/WAS going to them.

Look at the trade from Washington's perspective. It's pretty easy to see they get over on us and Chicago. They give up the two worst assets (and worst players) in the deal, and come out of it with Horford. There are 0 teams that would prefer Ian and Gortat's deal to Horford's.

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

Those Washington picks are unlikely to be in the lottery. But I think you're overestimating how valuable that salary dump is to Washington, and underestimating how much we'd benefit in the deal.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I could also see us getting out of Horford's contract agreeably at that point - send him to Washington, where he almost signed, get Gortat and Mahinmi, send Ian somewhere else for a big contract, salary chip. You could do Horford to WAS, Gortat and Butler to BOS, Mahinmi, Jaylen + to Chicago for Butler.

If it's giving us Gortat and Jimmy Butler? And it's replacing their one aging good player with a big contract with another aging good player with a bigger contract, and is cap neutral for them? CHI would be getting Mahinmi as salary ballast, with other assets from us/WAS going to them.

Look at the trade from Washington's perspective. It's pretty easy to see they get over on us and Chicago. They give up the two worst assets (and worst players) in the deal, and come out of it with Horford. There are 0 teams that would prefer Ian and Gortat's deal to Horford's.

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

Those Washington picks are unlikely to be in the lottery. But I think you're overestimating how valuable that salary dump is to Washington, and underestimating how much we'd benefit in the deal.

It's an upgrade for us right now, until Gortat goes off a cliff, gets injured, or expires in 2 years. We get the best player in the deal so I don't hate it, but sacrificing young players and/or picks to make a marginal win-now move isn't optimal in my opinion.

Washington gives up a pick to dump Mahinmi, and another to upgrade Gortat to Horford. Pretty fair. It's not perfect by any stretch and I'm not advocating it by any stretch. I was only trying to illustrate the imbalance in your initial proposal.

[Curmudgeon]

I'm all for trading Horford, but you ought to be able to get more than that. My target would be DeAndre Jordan. The Clippers are about to go into complete rebuild mode.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we acquired Kevin Love for Bradley+, getting Jimmy Butler (++++++) and Marcin Gortat for Horford is A+++++++, especially because you're faced with the problem of dealing your best paid player, best citizen, a year after you signed him. Which I would hate to do, honestly.

[Froob]

I could also see us getting out of Horford's contract agreeably at that point - send him to Washington, where he almost signed, get Gortat and Mahinmi, send Ian somewhere else for a big contract, salary chip. You could do Horford to WAS, Gortat and Butler to BOS, Mahinmi, Jaylen + to Chicago for Butler.

If it's giving us Gortat and Jimmy Butler? And it's replacing their one aging good player with a big contract with another aging good player with a bigger contract, and is cap neutral for them? CHI would be getting Mahinmi as salary ballast, with other assets from us/WAS going to them.

Look at the trade from Washington's perspective. It's pretty easy to see they get over on us and Chicago. They give up the two worst assets (and worst players) in the deal, and come out of it with Horford. There are 0 teams that would prefer Ian and Gortat's deal to Horford's.

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

Better be a hell of a sweetner lol. Two late picks (and a pick swap?) for Butler? No way that's happening.

[Froob]

I'm all for trading Horford, but you ought to be able to get more than that. My target would be DeAndre Jordan. The Clippers are about to go into complete rebuild mode.

I think Horford is better than Jordan.

[Gant]

I'm all for trading Horford, but you ought to be able to get more than that. My target would be DeAndre Jordan. The Clippers are about to go into complete rebuild mode.

I think Horford is better than Jordan.

Don't post that sentence on the Chicago board.

[jcappy]

I came across a mock draft today (Matt Lombardo) that has us trading #1 to Philly for Okafor, Holmes, and the LA '18 pick. Then trading the #3 for the #5 and #10 and taking Jackson and Smith. Four for one or five for one actually.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I could also see us getting out of Horford's contract agreeably at that point - send him to Washington, where he almost signed, get Gortat and Mahinmi, send Ian somewhere else for a big contract, salary chip. You could do Horford to WAS, Gortat and Butler to BOS, Mahinmi, Jaylen + to Chicago for Butler.

If it's giving us Gortat and Jimmy Butler? And it's replacing their one aging good player with a big contract with another aging good player with a bigger contract, and is cap neutral for them? CHI would be getting Mahinmi as salary ballast, with other assets from us/WAS going to them.

Look at the trade from Washington's perspective. It's pretty easy to see they get over on us and Chicago. They give up the two worst assets (and worst players) in the deal, and come out of it with Horford. There are 0 teams that would prefer Ian and Gortat's deal to Horford's.

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

Better be a hell of a sweetner lol. Two late picks (and a pick swap?) for Butler? No way that's happening.

Definitely, but its better than the original deal for them which was Mahinmi and Jaylen for Butler. To be fair, we have a lot of sweetener.

[djFan71]

Zeller & resigned JJ or Amir for Pau Gasol as they look to shed salary for CP3? I think either of them going from Brad to Pop would work out nicely for SAS.

If you're in the Hayward camp, do this after we sign/s&t for him. Would have to come together quick with Zeller's guarantee date pretty early, I believe.

[GoCeltics123]

Zeller & resigned JJ or Amir for Pau Gasol as they look to shed salary for CP3? I think either of them going from Brad to Pop would work out nicely for SAS.

If you're in the Hayward camp, do this after we sign/s&t for him. Would have to come together quick with Zeller's guarantee date pretty early, I believe.

Eh, Gasol seems pretty cooked at this point to me

[Andrew McCeltic]

I came across a mock draft today (Matt Lombardo) that has us trading #1 to Philly for Okafor, Holmes, and the LA '18 pick. Then trading the #3 for the #5 and #10 and taking Jackson and Smith. Four for one or five for one actually.

So, Okafor, Holmes, Josh Jackson, Dennis Smith, and LA '18? Jackson doesn't last to 5, and that's like trading a dollar for five quarters. In the NBA, one dollar is worth more.

[ddb]

I'm all for trading Horford, but you ought to be able to get more than that. My target would be DeAndre Jordan. The Clippers are about to go into complete rebuild mode.

The Celtics aren't trading Horford anytime soon. He is a great fit in Boston. Why in the world would you want a Modern style big man like Horford being traded for a DJordan or Drummond type? NO THANKS. Those guys are 1 dimensional.

People are sleeping on Zizic. Can't wait until summer league. You will all be salivating of the mouth over Zicic/Brown/Fultz.

[CeltsfaninDC]

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

You guys would absolutely HATE Gortat. If you think KO is inconsistent, just watch Gortat for a few games. He's maddening.

[VeryMuchWoke]

It should be more like:

Horford to Washington
Ian, Was 2018/2020 (unprotected), Bos Sweetener to Chicago
Butler, Gortat to Boston

You guys would absolutely HATE Gortat. If you think KO is inconsistent, just watch Gortat for a few games. He's maddening.

I'm not in favor of this deal. I was simply arguing against the original deal by Andrew, which was considerably worse for Chicago and Boston.

[ddb]

I came across a mock draft today (Matt Lombardo) that has us trading #1 to Philly for Okafor, Holmes, and the LA '18 pick. Then trading the #3 for the #5 and #10 and taking Jackson and Smith. Four for one or five for one actually.

So, Okafor, Holmes, Josh Jackson, Dennis Smith, and LA '18? Jackson doesn't last to 5, and that's like trading a dollar for five quarters. In the NBA, one dollar is worth more.

I sure hope the contributors to this board realize that the NBA is significantly different than the NHL, NFL and MLB. Basketball above all else, is a sport where you need great players to win. There are only a handful of great players in the league at any given time.
Every single NBA champion, aside from a select few, win because they have a superstar or 2 or 3 on their team. It's a 5 on 5 sport, where in key playoff games MAYBE 8 players see meaningful rotation minutes....the stars play 40+ minus when it matters.

The trade idea listed above by Matt Lombardo is a no brainer if we were talking about the NE Patriots. But I agree that trading quarters for dollars is absolutely ridiculous in basketball.

You draft Fultz at #1 because he has a legitimate chance of becoming a superstar guard. Potentially a Top 10 player, and maybe even a Top 5 player in the league down the line.

You sign Hayward because he is an efficient All-Star entering his prime years, who also happens to have a great relationship with your head coach. He is an excellent #2 or #3 scoring option, who is versatile and won't hurt you defensively. He handles the ball, rebounds, passes, takes good shots and plays within the flow of his team. Pair him with what we already have and the Celtics become very, very difficult to beat. I'm not saying they would be the favorites, but they would have a shot at making the finals assuming Ainge can round out the roster to where it makes sense.
I am NOT sold on the Cavs being this Eastern Conference juggernaut. LeBron is amazing, but their roster isn't deep. It's old. Kyrie and Love are awesome, but not in that Top tier. They cannot do it without LeBron.

Be patient people. The Golden State Warriors started making noise with David Lee as their leader. Meanwhile Steph Curry, Klay, Barnes started emerging. Dray was drafted and fit in seamlessly. They acquired Iggy & Bogut during this transition time...by the 13-14 season they finished 51-31, 2nd in the pacific. Lost to the Clippers 4-3 in the first round.....but they were right there....A fresh coaching outlook (Kerr) and the taste of success was all it took for their young core to take over.....

Honestly, I feel like the Celtics are ahead of schedule and in an even better position then the Warriors were 5 years ago. Ainge doesn't want to screw this up by rushing things. The Celtics situation is unique in that they can be good AND draft in the top 5 because of the BK trade. Like Golden State, the Celtics have mastered the cap situation, traded well, and all that's left is Boston continuing down the path they're on.

The Warriors are insanely good. Durant signing there wasn't to the fault of the Warriors. They were in a great, great position to sign a superstar player to join a superstar team. It sucks for the league. I think Durant is lame for signing there....but you cannot fault the Warriors. The GREAT NEWS is that Boston is on that same path... The Celtics time will come where it's am embarrassment of riches and the Green team is running the league. In fact, I'm pretty confident it will be the CELTICS that eventually take down the mighty Warriors. Just give it a little time.....but also enjoy the ride!

[Green89]

Yeah, I'm ready for some rumors about real trades that could help.

A. Sherrod to the rescue!

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/two-potential-boston-celtics-offers-new-york-knicks-kristaps-porzingis

[OFWGKTA]

Yeah, I'm ready for some rumors about real trades that could help.

A. Sherrod to the rescue!

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/two-potential-boston-celtics-offers-new-york-knicks-kristaps-porzingis

How do I go about getting paid to write **** trade scenario articles along with **** memes to go with them?