Celtics General Thread 2019-20, "Re-Start"

MagicBagley18 · Post #681 » by **MagicBagley18** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:06 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:

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That’s staggering when you see it documented like that

3D Chess · Post #682 » by **3D Chess** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:52 am

MagicBagley18 wrote:
That’s staggering when you see it documented like that

It's slightly misleading because all of those midrange shots are just from Kobe jackin em

Post #683 » by **Bleeding Green** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:35 pm

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Every team broken down into brackets and how each team performs against those brackets. Celtics one of three teams to have a positive net-rating against all brackets (MIL, LAL other two). Basically beating everyone except the Sixers (two of three games have been on second night of B2B against Sixers).

kb24k · Post #684 » by **kb24k** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:58 am

The next 26 games are brutal. I'd be amazed if they do better than .500 during this stretch if they don't make any trades

4th toughest remaining sos. Philly heat and raptors have some the easiest remaining sos. embiid is hurt so that might save them, but I find it very hard to stay ahead of heat and raptors

Dannyboy36 · Post #685 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:12 pm

Brad is a wimp. Always has been. Hayward is the best all around offensive player and facilitator. The offense should be running thru him waaay more than Tatum and Brown. Brown is unselfish enough to take a back seat to Tatum ( even though he’s way more efficient) but I don’t think he’d be happy being #4. Brad has to tip toe around 2 guys- smart and Tatum. Both are selfish offensive players. So Hayward takes a back seat to help the team and then Tatum is out, he shines, but I guess he got too many touches or shots cuz they went away from it. But its true they went away from Jaylen’s hot hand earlier so we’ll.
When do we ever go away from Tatum and Smart when they’re hot? Never. Cannot risk updating these two. Cuz remember Tatum has a goal of averaging 20 ppg .
I think Tatum will get there and Brown will put in a ton of work. But Brad is doing this team and the jays a disservice now and in the future by not playing to our strengths. It won’t change. We’re talented enough to maybe get far but smart players like Gordon can see what’s going on. Stevens will never put his foot down with selfish players.

Post #686 » by **Feed Your Head** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:10 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:Brad is a wimp. Always has been. Hayward is the best all around offensive player and facilitator. The offense should be running thru him waaay more than Tatum and Brown. Brown is unselfish enough to take a back seat to Tatum ( even though he’s way more efficient) but I don’t think he’d be happy being #4. Brad has to tip toe around 2 guys- smart and Tatum. Both are selfish offensive players. So Hayward takes a back seat to help the team and then Tatum is out, he shines, but I guess he got too many touches or shots cuz they went away from it. But its true they went away from Jaylen’s hot hand earlier so we’ll.
When do we ever go away from Tatum and Smart when they’re hot? Never. Cannot risk updating these two. Cuz remember Tatum has a goal of averaging 20 ppg .
I think Tatum will get there and Brown will put in a ton of work. But Brad is doing this team and the jays a disservice now and in the future by not playing to our strengths. It won’t change. We’re talented enough to maybe get far but smart players like Gordon can see what’s going on. Stevens will never put his foot down with selfish players.

Smart and Tatum definitely for sure take a few too many poor shots a game, but i don't think that's any more selfish than not putting in effort defensively on a consistent basis. And Jaylen/Hayward are two of the biggest offenders on the team, if not the biggest. The offense is fine for the most part, the defense has been playing like ass for awhile.

I do agree with your point about Brad, he needs to make players more accountable. I genuinely wonder if he ever will be that type of coach.

Post #687 » by **Feed Your Head** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:30 pm

Tatum has the 12th most votes in the league, not bad. Tacko mania still going relatively strong.

cloverleaf · Post #688 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:22 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:Brad is a wimp. Always has been. Hayward is the best all around offensive player and facilitator. The offense should be running thru him waaay more than Tatum and Brown. Brown is unselfish enough to take a back seat to Tatum ( even though he’s way more efficient) but I don’t think he’d be happy being #4. Brad has to tip toe around 2 guys- smart and Tatum. Both are selfish offensive players. So Hayward takes a back seat to help the team and then Tatum is out, he shines, but I guess he got too many touches or shots cuz they went away from it. But its true they went away from Jaylen’s hot hand earlier so we’ll.
When do we ever go away from Tatum and Smart when they’re hot? Never. Cannot risk updating these two. Cuz remember Tatum has a goal of averaging 20 ppg .
I think Tatum will get there and Brown will put in a ton of work. But Brad is doing this team and the jays a disservice now and in the future by not playing to our strengths. It won’t change. We’re talented enough to maybe get far but smart players like Gordon can see what’s going on. Stevens will never put his foot down with selfish players.

I agree with you about Gordo being underused and Brad having too much wimp in him. And yes, Brown can be selfish, though usually it is working out well for the team, which needs that sort of offensive fierceness. But I think Tatum has taken lots of nudging from the organization to get him to shoot more like an alpha this year and that's a good thing--even if his shooting percentage has taken a dip. Tatum is too consistently good a defensive player for a guy also trying to juggle an alpha offensive role--all at age 21!--to call his actual play selfish. Unless maybe you want to get to his stubbornness re: shot selection, but he's coming around on that, it seems.

Red2 · Post #689 » by **Red2** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:41 am

I think we have a shot tonight because I think ( and hope) that we are a pissed off team. I can handle an L against the best team in the league if we play hard and aren't careless with the ball. I don't want to see any more no look passes from smart or bungled fast breaks from Tatum and brown. we have to cash in on our opportunities but we have to play smart. Emotion is fine and we will need it but Marcus has to play within himself. He can't lose his cool and his focus again. Kemba needs to come out strong and look for his shot. When the double team comes or they put a bigger guy on him he needs to find a way to get in the paint and draw defenders and either get to the line or kick to open guys. If we settle for jumpers all night and don't attack the rim we're dead. We aren't a good enough offensive team to hope that our shot is falling. ANyone who doesn't play hard D from the jump should be pulled immediately. DItto for anyone not setting picks or doing their job right.

cloverleaf · Post #690 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:14 pm

Speaking of pissed-off team, if I were Theis I'd be tired of Brad's constantly talking about their "best five", intending to include Marcus instead of him with the starters for that.

Theis right now is 8th in the league for block % (17th per game and 18th for total), 6th for defensive box plus/minus, 11th for defensive rating, 20th for offensive rebounds.

Smart? He shows up as 13th in steals per game.

Both are in the negative in on/off+/-, but Theis is at -2.9 to Smart's -4.2. Theis has a .574 TS% to Smart's .509. WS/48 of .177 to Smart's .120. BPM of 4.0 to Smart's 1.7. VORP of 1.2 to Smart's 0.9. PER 16.4 to Smart's 13.5.

Arguably Theis is the one player the C's could least afford to lose right now, given the lack of depth in who else they have available, but beyond that he probably has been the better and more important player toward the C's wins so far this year.

3D Chess · Post #691 » by **3D Chess** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:30 pm

I would be more pissed at the refs for treating him like a rookie every damn night.

BillTheGOAT · Post #692 » by **BillTheGOAT** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:21 pm

Tatum 4th in jersey sales.

Post #693 » by **K For Three** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:49 pm

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Fencer reregistered · Post #694 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:18 am

cloverleaf wrote:Speaking of pissed-off team, if I were Theis I'd be tired of Brad's constantly talking about their "best five", intending to include Marcus instead of him with the starters for that.

Theis right now is 8th in the league for block % (17th per game and 18th for total), 6th for defensive box plus/minus, 11th for defensive rating, 20th for offensive rebounds.

Smart? He shows up as 13th in steals per game.

Both are in the negative in on/off+/-, but Theis is at -2.9 to Smart's -4.2. Theis has a .574 TS% to Smart's .509. WS/48 of .177 to Smart's .120. BPM of 4.0 to Smart's 1.7. VORP of 1.2 to Smart's 0.9. PER 16.4 to Smart's 13.5.

Arguably Theis is the one player the C's could least afford to lose right now, given the lack of depth in who else they have available, but beyond that he probably has been the better and more important player toward the C's wins so far this year.

Fortunately he's signed for one more year, so there's time to fix any such issues.

Fencer reregistered · Post #695 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:45 am

The Celtics now have 5 guys who have scored 34 or more points in a game this season. And by the way, four of them set or tied their career highs.

zoyathedestroya · Post #696 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:06 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:The Celtics now have 5 guys who have scored 34 or more points in a game this season. And by the way, four of them set or tied their career highs.

Celtics players scoring 25+ pts in a game:
2019-20, half season: Kemba (15), Others (26)
2018-19, full season: Kyrie (31), Others (14)

GoCeltics123 · Post #697 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:56 pm

Boston fell behind by 16 in the first quarter on Saturday night, continuing a trend of inept starts no matter who is healthy on any given night. Over the first six minutes of each game, Boston ranks 28th in point differential, getting outscored by an average of 15 points per 48 minutes. They have now trailed after the first six minutes in 12 of their last 15 games and its been double-digits in five of their last ten games.

kb24k · Post #698 » by **kb24k** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:19 pm

No way this team makes the top 4 with the schedule left

Hayward played like crap in every game against elite teams and people still want to give him more touches. Let's give him 20 shots against the bucks so he can go 2-20

GoCeltics123 · Post #699 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:27 pm

I think another thing that sucks this year is that the East is so much better.

If this team was 27-14 last year, they'd be the clear-cut third seed.

Roddy · Post #700 » by **Roddy** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:38 pm

kb24k wrote:No way this team makes the top 4 with the schedule left

Hayward played like crap in every game against elite teams and people still want to give him more touches. Let's give him 20 shots against the bucks so he can go 2-20

Vs Phily : 25 points (53%) 5 rebounds
Vs Bucks : 21 points (53%) 10 rebounds, 7 assists
Vs Phily : 19 points (50%) 4 rebounds, 5 assists
Vs Toronto : 14 points (66%) 5 rebounds, 6 assists

I can understand that people are mad after Hayward for last two games, but what about the other 4 starters that are always sleeping in the 1st quarter and let the opponents have a between 10 and 15 points lead after 12 minutes ???