"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[JediMasterRevan]

I don’t even understand what he’s trying to say frankly

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

Its fairly commonly known that they've been intentionally keeping him on a minutes restriction due to his injuries. They've also stated that they'll generally increase these as the season goes on.

We will see, It has been 15 months since the injury. Still not playing many minutes.

[Duke4life831]

I like Collins a lot on a good team. I bashed the Wolves being interested in him because I dont think he changes the culture for that team. But I dont think you guys need a culture change, you need a shot in the arm with this roster and I think he could be that. The question then becomes, can you get him without giving up Brown? If so a lineup of

Williams
Collins
Tatum
Brown
?

Is a hell of a core to build around.

It would probably have to be a Smart/Theis and probably 2 1sts. Then ideally you flip Kemba in the offseason and from the PG spot, all you really need is a good defender who makes smart decisions. A high assist/TO guy that plays good defense would be a great fit.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Make the move for Collins. They already goofed up not getting Christian Wood, Collins is the next best thing

Theyre not going to trade Collins for anything less than Jaylen Brown. Sure, they’d be willing to add to that deal [Hunter and a pick?], but theyre not going to take our **** sandwich for him.

I hate even asking lol, but would you do that deal?

Oh hell NO.
I'm legitimately surprised by all the love here for John Collins.

[Feed Your Head]

Theyre not going to trade Collins for anything less than Jaylen Brown. Sure, they’d be willing to add to that deal [Hunter and a pick?], but theyre not going to take our **** sandwich for him.

I hate even asking lol, but would you do that deal?

Oh hell NO. I'm legitimately surprised by all the love here for John Collins

Danny wouldn’t either lol.

I think Smart/Theis/picks get it done. And like Duke4life831 said above, we’d definitely have to dump Kemba in the off-season

And the love for Collins is because he’s improved a ton defensively, ontop of being an awesome offensive big.

[Celts17Pride]

I like Collins a lot on a good team. I bashed the Wolves being interested in him because I dont think he changes the culture for that team. But I dont think you guys need a culture change, you need a shot in the arm with this roster and I think he could be that. The question then becomes, can you get him without giving up Brown? If so a lineup of

Williams
Collins
Tatum
Brown
?

Is a hell of a core to build around.

It would probably have to be a Smart/Theis and probably 2 1sts. Then ideally you flip Kemba in the offseason and from the PG spot, all you really need is a good defender who makes smart decisions. A high assist/TO guy that plays good defense would be a great fit.

I could see the Celtics offering something like Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard, 2021 1st, 2022 1st swap, 2023 1st, 2 2nd round picks to Atlanta for Collins and Snell if they were really interested.

Doubt the Celtics offer Smart but who knows.

[Feed Your Head]

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

Its fairly commonly known that they've been intentionally keeping him on a minutes restriction due to his injuries. They've also stated that they'll generally increase these as the season goes on.

We will see, It has been 15 months since the injury. Still not playing many minutes.

It’s something that will always have to be managed. But he should still be playing more than he has.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I hate even asking lol, but would you do that deal?

Its interesting, but piecing out one of our stars isnt the move we should be making IMO.

Danny would never so it’s moot, but I wonder if the Hawks would add enough to make it enticing. Jaylen being a hometown star, who that fan base would rightfully fall in love with.

Back to reality, I think it would cost at least Smart/Theis/picks. Maybe we could get Rondo back somehow too? But the way the Hawks are playing, I think they just stand pat.

I was meh on Collins in the past, but he’s worked really hard and improved a TON on the defensive end.

Wouldnt even think twice at that cost

[sully00]

I suspect Pritchard will get dealt along with Theis and that they won't use the TPE on Barnes. There's just way too much buzz and Ainge typically works under the radar. Perhaps something like this happens?

BOS In: Thad Young and Garret Temple
CHI in: Grant Williams, Payton Prichard, Carson Edwards, Vernon Carey, CHAR 2nd Rounder, and Kanter TPE
CHAR in: Theis

All I can say is that if people hate Tristan Thompson for being him your going to lose your mind with Thad Young being him. Again he is a pretty good player coming off the bench. But the assist game is an outlier and while he has shot the 3 better in other years this year is non existent. He is good at what he does but at 32 years old he is a back up F/C. I would welcome him on the team but I have a hard time believing the assists and rebounds are sustainable based on the previous 12 seasons. I guess that is what the showcase in the starting line up will be about. It seems like a decent move for the rest of the season but no upside for sending out 2 1sts and a high 2nd in the last two drafts.

Giving up Prichard in that trade seems like a terrible idea.

[GoGreen]

That Collins report is so useless. "The Cs have interest but he may be too expensive"

..ok?? Lol that can be said for any team at any time. I'm just going to have low af expectations. Not expecting a move

[Celts17Pride]

I will say this, if Ainge should somehow find a home for Kemba Walker this trade deadline regardless of what he gets back he should be a leading contender for Executive of the Year. Obviously not expecting this.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I like Collins a lot on a good team. I bashed the Wolves being interested in him because I dont think he changes the culture for that team. But I dont think you guys need a culture change, you need a shot in the arm with this roster and I think he could be that. The question then becomes, can you get him without giving up Brown? If so a lineup of

Williams
Collins
Tatum
Brown
?

Is a hell of a core to build around.

It would probably have to be a Smart/Theis and probably 2 1sts. Then ideally you flip Kemba in the offseason and from the PG spot, all you really need is a good defender who makes smart decisions. A high assist/TO guy that plays good defense would be a great fit.

I could see the Celtics offering something like Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard, 2021 1st, 2022 1st swap, 2023 1st, 2 2nd round picks to Atlanta for Collins and Snell if they were really interested.

Doubt the Celtics offer Smart but who knows.

If we trade him its cuz Ainge knows hes gone next summer. Wouldnt shock me.

[fallguy]

I will say this, if Ainge should somehow find a home for Kemba Walker this trade deadline regardless of what he gets back he should be a leading contender for Executive of the Year. Obviously not expecting this.

I would rather trade Kemba this summer and give the guys a chance to make a run in the playoffs beforehand.

[fallguy]

Its interesting, but piecing out one of our stars isnt the move we should be making IMO.

Danny would never so it’s moot, but I wonder if the Hawks would add enough to make it enticing. Jaylen being a hometown star, who that fan base would rightfully fall in love with.

Back to reality, I think it would cost at least Smart/Theis/picks. Maybe we could get Rondo back somehow too? But the way the Hawks are playing, I think they just stand pat.

I was meh on Collins in the past, but he’s worked really hard and improved a TON on the defensive end.

Wouldnt even think twice at that cost

Atlanta makes that deal too, IMO.

[Duke4life831]

I like Collins a lot on a good team. I bashed the Wolves being interested in him because I dont think he changes the culture for that team. But I dont think you guys need a culture change, you need a shot in the arm with this roster and I think he could be that. The question then becomes, can you get him without giving up Brown? If so a lineup of

Williams
Collins
Tatum
Brown
?

Is a hell of a core to build around.

It would probably have to be a Smart/Theis and probably 2 1sts. Then ideally you flip Kemba in the offseason and from the PG spot, all you really need is a good defender who makes smart decisions. A high assist/TO guy that plays good defense would be a great fit.

I could see the Celtics offering something like Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard, 2021 1st, 2022 1st swap, 2023 1st, 2 2nd round picks to Atlanta for Collins and Snell if they were really interested.

Doubt the Celtics offer Smart but who knows.

The thing is, youre going to have to offer something of considerable value to get Collins. That package is a lot of okay values, but no single thing that has considerable value.

So looking from the Hawks point of view. Theis would be coming off the bench (Gallo/Capella) starting frontcourt. Nesmith wont be getting minutes (especially with Hunter returning soon). Pritchard also wouldnt get consistent minutes. The Hawks are looking to make the playoffs this year, so they will be looking for more than just Theis as an immediate return for Collins.

Smart is just that. Plus Smart fills a hole that the Hawks have needed for some time now, a legit guard defender. If you want a legit shot in the arm for this roster, youre going to have to give up some legit value in return.

[Celts17Pride]

I like Collins a lot on a good team. I bashed the Wolves being interested in him because I dont think he changes the culture for that team. But I dont think you guys need a culture change, you need a shot in the arm with this roster and I think he could be that. The question then becomes, can you get him without giving up Brown? If so a lineup of

Williams
Collins
Tatum
Brown
?

Is a hell of a core to build around.

It would probably have to be a Smart/Theis and probably 2 1sts. Then ideally you flip Kemba in the offseason and from the PG spot, all you really need is a good defender who makes smart decisions. A high assist/TO guy that plays good defense would be a great fit.

I could see the Celtics offering something like Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard, 2021 1st, 2022 1st swap, 2023 1st, 2 2nd round picks to Atlanta for Collins and Snell if they were really interested.

Doubt the Celtics offer Smart but who knows.

If we trade him its cuz Ainge knows hes gone next summer. Wouldnt shock me.

As far as starting point guard for the Boston Celtics my personal belief is,

Marcus Smart at $25 million per year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kemba Walker at $37 million per year

If it was up to me I would do anything it took to move Kemba and give the full time starting point guard job to Smart. That includes giving up two first round picks to move Kemba.

[Bad-Thoma]

There has to be a reason that Timelord is not playing. he is significantly better than either Theis or Thompson and the team is much beter with him on the court than off. So the reasons can only be:
1) they are not playing him in hopes that other teams dont ask for him in a trade
2) Brad is a moron.

And Nesmith playing fewer minutes than Edwards makes Zero sense to me at all, so perhaps its the same situation as Timelord not playing.

Its fairly commonly known that they've been intentionally keeping him on a minutes restriction due to his injuries. They've also stated that they'll generally increase these as the season goes on.

We will see, It has been 15 months since the injury. Still not playing many minutes.

It's been posted many times that he has an arterial condition that can cause cramping with fatigue. It is something that should be able to be surgically remedied down the road but for now Brad has to be careful because they want to slowly increase his minutes peaking at the playoffs. We'd all, including Brad I'm sure, love to see more Timelord minutes but it's something that we'll have to be patient about. GL with that around here.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/boston-celtics-rookie-robert-williams-has-artery-condition-in-both-of-his-legs/#:~:text=Boston%20Celtics%20rookie%20Robert%20Williams%20has%20artery%20condition%20in%20both%20of%20his%20legs,-By%20Colin%20Ward&text=Popliteal%20artery%20entrapment%20syndrome%20(PAES,found%20most%20often%20in%20athletes.

[TheOGJabroni]

I think Smart, Theis & two 1st round picks for Collins might be too rich for my blood. ATL is showing they have little interest in signing him to a max deal, so we have to give up all those assets just to do so?

I like Collins a lot but I'm probably not moving Smart for him. Replace Smart with Nesmith or Langford and I am in, assuming that we can pick up a third big on the buyout market. Relying on just Thompson & Timelord leaves me a little wary.

Walker | Pritchard
Brown | Smart
Tatum
Collins | LMA?
Williams | Thompson

If that was our 9-man rotation going into the playoffs, I would be thrilled. We would likely need to figure out a way to trade Kemba in the offseason though.

[zoyathedestroya]

It annoys me that because we signed Kemba, it's harder to keep Smart and Theis while making other moves after already losing Rozier and Hayward. He better deliver a banner if we're unable to move him lol.

[Celts17Pride]

I like Collins a lot on a good team. I bashed the Wolves being interested in him because I dont think he changes the culture for that team. But I dont think you guys need a culture change, you need a shot in the arm with this roster and I think he could be that. The question then becomes, can you get him without giving up Brown? If so a lineup of

Williams
Collins
Tatum
Brown
?

Is a hell of a core to build around.

It would probably have to be a Smart/Theis and probably 2 1sts. Then ideally you flip Kemba in the offseason and from the PG spot, all you really need is a good defender who makes smart decisions. A high assist/TO guy that plays good defense would be a great fit.

I could see the Celtics offering something like Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard, 2021 1st, 2022 1st swap, 2023 1st, 2 2nd round picks to Atlanta for Collins and Snell if they were really interested.

Doubt the Celtics offer Smart but who knows.

The thing is, youre going to have to offer something of considerable value to get Collins. That package is a lot of okay values, but no single thing that has considerable value.

So looking from the Hawks point of view. Theis would be coming off the bench (Gallo/Capella) starting frontcourt. Nesmith wont be getting minutes (especially with Hunter returning soon). Pritchard also wouldnt get consistent minutes. The Hawks are looking to make the playoffs this year, so they will be looking for more than just Theis as an immediate return for Collins.

Smart is just that. Plus Smart fills a hole that the Hawks have needed for some time now, a legit guard defender. If you want a legit shot in the arm for this roster, youre going to have to give up some legit value in return.

I personally don't think losing Smart and adding Collins moves the needle much at all so I would pass. The offer I presented gives the Hawks two young players, 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, 1 swap of a 1st round pick and much needed salary cap breathing room. If that isn't enough then pass.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I don’t like Collins because he has a weird body. Kevin McHale and Phil Jackson would poke fun of him if they were all changing in a locker room together. Lol

Seriously though - this might mean the end of the Marcus Smart era if this is true. I don’t see anyway that the Hawks would ship him out with Marcus coming back. And this makes me very, very sad.