Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[ddb]

What about Jaylen Brown/#28 to Jazz for Lauri and #5. Draft Tre Johnson.

Jrue/White/Johnson/Lauri/KP
PP/Hauser/Baylor/Horford
**Tatum

Shooting EVERYWHERE. If Tatum can return close to full strength and Tre is the real deal, this team could take off for another window.

P.S. I felt so dirty typing this trade idea that I'm not even sure I remotely like. lol

Need third team. Jazz will be in full tank mode again next year

I agree, but let's face it....Jaylen Brown & Keyonte George are not winning many games in the crowded west next season. Or pull in Houston as the 3rd team.

[Froob]

I don’t think it’s that crazy that white gets traded and jrue doesn’t. get a haul for white and get under the cap. at that point why pay to dump jrue?

[hugepatsfan]

I’m honestly surprised at how little urgency there is about making real changes to this roster. Yes, we won a championship last year, but look at the bigger picture:

•This year, we had home court against the Knicks and went down 0-2 after dropping both games in Boston.
•Last year, we barely avoided disaster in Game 1 against the Pacers (also with home court), where one play late saved us from losing home court and momentum.
•The year before, we had home court in the ECF and still managed to go down 0-3 to Miami.

There’s a clear pattern: this team keeps showing a “play with your food” mentality, struggles to protect home court in key playoff series, and it’s bitten us repeatedly. Now, with a $500M+ payroll and back-to-back deep drafts, how is there not more appetite for real changes? Every player should be on the table

What really do you have in mind? Ignoring the Jordan Walsh's and the Queta's and Tillman's of the world, this team has 7 "real" players signed for next year:

Tatum - you want to trade him while he's rehabbing his Achilles?

Brown - people complain about him all the time and there's 3 trade ideas in each page about him so seems like this would be the exact kind of roster change you're asking for?

White - ok, lots of reluctance here on this one. You could argue he's looked at as a "sacred cow"

Porzingis - all sorts of trade ideas for him

Holiday - again, all sorts of trade ideas

Hauser - people keep proposing we dump his contract for savings

Pritchard - you want to trade him on such a small deal when we're desperate for cheap contributors?


I guess I'm not sure what you mean about there being no appetite for real changes. EVERYONE is talking trades of Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Many are talking trades for Brown. Does that not qualify as real changes to you? Should people be posting more Tatum/White/Pritchard trade ideas in your mind?

[yeleven11]

I’m honestly surprised at how little urgency there is about making real changes to this roster. Yes, we won a championship last year, but look at the bigger picture:

•This year, we had home court against the Knicks and went down 0-2 after dropping both games in Boston.
•Last year, we barely avoided disaster in Game 1 against the Pacers (also with home court), where one play late saved us from losing home court and momentum.
•The year before, we had home court in the ECF and still managed to go down 0-3 to Miami.

There’s a clear pattern: this team keeps showing a “play with your food” mentality, struggles to protect home court in key playoff series, and it’s bitten us repeatedly. Now, with a $500M+ payroll and back-to-back deep drafts, how is there not more appetite for real changes? Every player should be on the table

My read from brad’s press conference was that he actually was pissed about this and that’s why he said we “blew the first two games against ny”

From a basketball standpoint, the theme is that the team couldn’t generate easy shots against switches (this was true against ny and true against miami 2 yrs ago). Part of getting kp was to punish switches either by giving it to him on the block or to clear driving lanes for tatum/brown. From brad’s standpoint, he probably thinks he gave the team as much ammo as possible to punish switches the last couple years without trading one of the Jays. Him being pissed at them blowing the games against ny really makes me think he would look at a jaylen trade for a guy who’s got more juice offensively.

[hugepatsfan]

I don’t think it’s that crazy that white gets traded and jrue doesn’t. get a haul for white and get under the cap. at that point why pay to dump jrue?

Don't disagree with the premise but I think you exaggerate a bit. Get a haul for White and get under the cap? We're $24.1M over the 2nd apron after signing picks, $44.0M over the tax. White makes $28.1M this year. Even if we traded him for NO MONEY back we'd still be far enough in the tax that we'd have to deal Holiday and/or Porzingis for some amount of savings to get under (or Brown, but not as feasible of course). And that would mean the "haul" we get for him would have to be entirely future picks, not to mention any "haul" we get is probably reduced if we only trade with a team that has $28.1M of cap space or is willing to pay the haul for us and the haul for dumping money elsewhere.

I don't think trading White "instead" of Holiday/Porzingis works financially. I think it's something you'd do for basketball/rebuilding reasons after trading those guys because the money motives would be sapping talent from you to such a degree that you're better off moving White for pieces on a bit later timeline.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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[Celts17Pride]

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That would be great because Brad Stevens could move some of those players and get even more draft capital.

[phincsfan]

Works for me...

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Never happening

[redslastlaugh]

Jrue for Austin Reaves, Vando and Knecht ... is cap neutral for this season but it solves a lot of the longterm $$ problems by breaking up one big contract into 3 little ones
I'd hate to see Jrue Holiday on the Lakers tho

[phincsfan]

A couple of draft day trades

These trades are all kosher when it comes to apron and cap. All the teams end up in a good spot cap and apron wise. I think each team got a little better depending on what better is. For the C's I wanted to get a pick in the lottery, get a little younger and get under the 2nd apron. Players will need to be waived but I'm not going that deep with it.

5 team deal

C's get Niang, Sheppard, #10 and #26 I WANT A PICK IN THE LOTTERY THIS YEAR

Hawks get Cameron Johnson, Whitehead, #13

Nets get Simons, Aaron Holiday, #11, #28 and future 1st from Hawks

Rockets get White, #27

Blazers get Pritchard, Okongwu, #19, #22

C's get down to 207.5mil
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3 team deal

C's get Jones Jr, Batum, RWill and #30

Clips get Jrue and #26

Blazers get Dunn and Eubanks

C's now down to 203mil

Sign Luke to a minimum contract

With the 10th pick look at Sorber, Khaman, Queen, Newell, Demin, Traore

With the 30th pick look at Philon, Pettiford

Porzingis/Luke/Neems/RWill/Sorber
Sam/Batum/Niang
JB/Jones/Peterson
Sheppard/Rico/
JD/Philon or Pettiford

It's not a pretty team by any stretch but not having JT allows there to be some reason to digress a little. It should all be about 26/27 and beyond. I think the bench is pretty athletic.

For the 26/27 season the under contract players would be JT/JB/Jones Jr/Luke/Sam/Peterson/Rico/Sheppard/JD/2 rookie deals. Room to go out and sign some players.

When JT and JB are 29 and 28 having a young group of Sorber, Sheppard, Rico, Philon or Pettiford could be a nice foundation. A couple of lottery players (Sorber before his injury and Sheppard) without having to tank.

[165bows]

Trade #1

BOS gives: Jrue ($32.4M)
BOS gets: Patrick Williams ($18.0M)
*savings $14.4M

DET gives: Tobias Harris
DET gets: PJ Washington, Klay

DAL gives: PJ Washington, Klay, Naji Marshall or Caleb Martin
DAL gets: Jrue

CHI gives: Patrick Williams
CHI gets: Tobias Harris

SAC gives: fake 2nd
SAC gets: Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall (into TPE/MLE)



Trade #2

Send Hauser into some team's TPE or MLE. Save $10.0M



Trade #3

BOS gives: Porzinigs
BOS gets: Nurkic
*savings $11.4M

CHA give: Nurkic, Okogie, 2nd(s)
CHA gets: Porzingis



Next, waive and stretch Nurkic's expiring deal. This saves $12.9M on the 25-26 cap sheet.

Backfill by signing 2 vet min players.

Assuming we draft and sign at #28 and #32, we'd be $198,106 below the luxury tax with 14 players signed. Comfortably below it next year.

White / Pritchard / Davison
Brown
Schierman / Walsh
Patrick Williams
Queta / Tillman

+ Tatum on IR, 2 vet min signings and whoever we take at #28/#32

Spend a year really trying to develop Schierman, Walsh, #28 pick, #32 pick, Queta and Walsh. Try to tap into some 3&D potential with Williams. Likely get a mid to high 1st to add to the mix next year with Tatum back. Cap sheet in order. Still have a strong big 3 w/ Brown and White. Pritchard as a great bench piece. Between the youngsters and Pat Williams you should have some role players too.

Hmm a lot of good parts here. I’ll have to give this a go at some point coming up.

Still hopeful it comes out a good bit better than this though lol

Edit: thinking this through, I’d been on the “pay tax next year” train since I assumed they’d be worth it next year. Financial calculus really has changed now

[SparringPartner]

What really do you have in mind? I guess I'm not sure what you mean about there being no appetite for real changes. EVERYONE is talking trades of Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Many are talking trades for Brown. Does that not qualify as real changes to you? Should people be posting more Tatum/White/Pritchard trade ideas in your mind?

You can’t move Tatum right now because of his injury status.

Here’s my approach: Move on from the core. Use Brown as the centerpiece in one trade and White as the figurehead in another. Holiday, Hauser, and Porzingis all have real value to contenders like the Lakers or Cavaliers. Bring back multiple top-10 lottery picks this year, reset the cap with one-year players, and set up for a top-five pick next year. That way, we have real flexibility to sign free agents or swing bigger trades when the time is right. Let Pritchard run the team and make the season watchable.

Brad Stevens has put off drafting and developing young players, preferring trades. Now he’d get to prove he can build through the draft too. Before you know it, Tatum will be back, still under 30, and we’ll be positioned for another run with a young, talented core and cap space.

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Yup, do it.

We get a good young wing shooter. Reaves who is really friggin good. And Vanderbilt, a solid hustle/energy/defense type of PF/C type, off the bench.

That's a good return for Jrue, given his age and contract.

Not sure how realistic it is but I'd do it.

[leper-con]

That’s a bit of a pipe dream in my opinion but if you can pull that off then you run for the hills

[Curmudgeon]

The Lakers don't have any draft capital.

[Froob]

I don’t think it’s that crazy that white gets traded and jrue doesn’t. get a haul for white and get under the cap. at that point why pay to dump jrue?

Don't disagree with the premise but I think you exaggerate a bit. Get a haul for White and get under the cap? We're $24.1M over the 2nd apron after signing picks, $44.0M over the tax. White makes $28.1M this year. Even if we traded him for NO MONEY back we'd still be far enough in the tax that we'd have to deal Holiday and/or Porzingis for some amount of savings to get under (or Brown, but not as feasible of course). And that would mean the "haul" we get for him would have to be entirely future picks, not to mention any "haul" we get is probably reduced if we only trade with a team that has $28.1M of cap space or is willing to pay the haul for us and the haul for dumping money elsewhere.

I don't think trading White "instead" of Holiday/Porzingis works financially. I think it's something you'd do for basketball/rebuilding reasons after trading those guys because the money motives would be sapping talent from you to such a degree that you're better off moving White for pieces on a bit later timeline.

I could see KP waiting til the deadline. You probably will get off KP one way or another. Deal white and KP get under the apron and keep jrue?

[fallguy]

I think almost anything is in play for the next 15 months. But by 26-27, the C's will be looking to field a title contender. So any big moves off of White/JB etc. (which I don't think will happen) have to be followed by acquisition of title contending core pieces in short order.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

What magic be this?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/boston-celtics/news/celtics-could-trade-steph-curry-massive-three-team-blockbuster/f847e687e50f873210e9a611

Celtics could trade for Steph Curry in massive three-team blockbuster

The Boston Celtics could change the NBA landscape this summer by trading for the face of the league.

That’s right, despite losing Jayson Tatum for the entire 2025-26 season, Boston could make an epic splash on the offseason trade market and bring in a player who would make the Celtics one of the most fun teams in the NBA next season.

How much longer will the Boston Celtics title window stay open?

Consider the following three-team deal between the Celtics, Detroit Pistons, and Golden State Warriors.

The Trade

Celtics receive…

Stephen Curry
Pistons receive…

Jimmy Butler
2025 No. 28 pick (BOS)
Warriors receive…

Jaylen Brown
Kristaps Porzingis (expiring)
Jaden Ivey (expiring)
Tobias Harris (expiring)
Isaiah Stewart

[hugepatsfan]

I think almost anything is in play for the next 15 months. But by 26-27, the C's will be looking to field a title contender. So any big moves off of White/JB etc. (which I don't think will happen) have to be followed by acquisition of title contending core pieces in short order.

I think 25-26 will be about getting the financials right, even if it costs them on the court.

I think 26-27 will be a blend of the two where they obviously want to put as good a team as they can out there, but they'll also want to stay below the tax so it will be measured.

I think 27-28 (Tatum's age 29 season) is when they'll be back to their full resources and attention being moved towards making the team as great as they can. Going deep into the tax or aprons as it makes sense. Trading away lots of future picks. That kind of stuff.

[Curmudgeon]

LOL, it's funny to see everyone doing complicated trade gymnastics to gut the team when you can solve the cap problem completely by unloading one player and one player only.