2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[playa-hater]

Looking at as much film/video as possible, but can someone explain to me what makes Isaac Okoro and D Vassell top 10 picks while 2 players with very similar size and athletics in Robert Woodard and Tyler Bey make for late 1sts/2nd rd picks???

As far as Tyler Bey is concerned - he's a tweener in the vein of Andre Roberson (more or less).

Regarding Woodard and Okoro, just reading about them, Woodard might have decent size and length and athleticism, but Okoro sounds/looks like an ideal specimen, and he also sounds less raw (or otherwise more well rounded).

Vassell's my binky. Reading former coaches talk about him reminds me of former coaches talking about Jimmy Butler. From a statistical if not actual standpoint, he is leaps and bounds the best three point shooter in this conversation, and he also posted an A/TO ratio better than 2-1 last season, very nice defensive stats as well (foul efficiency included). By all accounts he has standout instincts, this was apparent to me when I watched video of him.

appreciate the feedack..

[themoneyteam2]

Okoro isn’t getting the past the Knicks. Thibs loves him and that’s their guy in this draft and they are even looking to move up to get him.

Not sure about Celtics plans but if they move up it’s for Okungwu. Love Wiseman but doubt he falls out of the top 5

[Squigglepuffin]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

There are always players that slide in the draft.

It's crazy that I've seen Okoro at #9 but hypothetically if he were to slide to #14 he's 1st option.

Realistically at #14 Patrick Williams is the first option. If he's not there then Nesmith. If he's not there then Vassell. If none of these guys are there I'd go with either Jalen Smith, Kira Lewis, or Jamhi'us Ramsey (depending on how each of them measure and perform at the combine).

At #26 I'd take a chance on Reggie Perry and hope I can teach him how to play defense. If he could play defense at the Level of Patrick Williams (which he can't and might never be able to) I'd take him at #14, but atm he's closer to a stationary cardboard cut out than a defender.

At #30 I'd take Devon Dotson or Jalen Harris.

[Squigglepuffin]

I don’t watch much college ball but is Toppin worth trading by up for ? His size & skill intrigues me but that’s just me watching highlights.

No. Just wait until a future draft and you'll be able to pick a player as good as him outside the lottery.

[playa-hater]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

There are always players that slide in the draft.

It's crazy that I've seen Okoro at #9 but hypothetically if he were to slide to #14 he's 1st option.

Realistically at #14 Patrick Williams is the first option. If he's not there then Nesmith. If he's not there then Vassell. If none of these guys are there I'd go with either Jalen Smith, Kira Lewis, or Jamhi'us Ramsey (depending on how each of them measure and perform at the combine).

At #26 I'd take a chance on Reggie Perry and hope I can teach him how to play defense. If he could play defense at the Level of Patrick Williams (which he can't and might never be able to) I'd take him at #14, but atm he's closer to a stationary cardboard cut out than a defender.

At #30 I'd take Devon Dotson or Jalen Harris.

I haven't seen a single mock with Harris in RD 1 or even top 10 RD2.. But I looked at his scouting video and was blown away and shocked not to see him much higher than mid RD2..

[themoneyteam2]

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Offensively his game 100% translates. Defense could be an issue though with his lateral quickness issues. Can mask that by playing him at the 5 but then he would just get overpowered

[Squigglepuffin]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

There are always players that slide in the draft.

It's crazy that I've seen Okoro at #9 but hypothetically if he were to slide to #14 he's 1st option.

Realistically at #14 Patrick Williams is the first option. If he's not there then Nesmith. If he's not there then Vassell. If none of these guys are there I'd go with either Jalen Smith, Kira Lewis, or Jamhi'us Ramsey (depending on how each of them measure and perform at the combine).

At #26 I'd take a chance on Reggie Perry and hope I can teach him how to play defense. If he could play defense at the Level of Patrick Williams (which he can't and might never be able to) I'd take him at #14, but atm he's closer to a stationary cardboard cut out than a defender.

At #30 I'd take Devon Dotson or Jalen Harris.

I haven't seen a single mock with Harris in RD 1 or even top 10 RD2.. But I looked at his scouting video and was blown away and shocked not to see him much higher than mid RD2..

Exactly. He's worth a 1st rounder. If Danny takes him at #30 he'll look pretty smart in a few years. If he takes him in the 2nd round he'll look really, really good in a few years.

[GoGreen]

Toppin will be a turnstile on defense. No idea what to do with the later picks, but at 14, if we could get Vassell (even though that shot was looking real ugly), Tyrell Terry (assuming he did grow) or Precious, that'd be real nice.

[neno]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

I'm changing my mind daily
My Shooter Mcgavin draft
Tyrell Terry
Isaiah Joe
Killian Tillie

[winsomme2]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

I'm changing my mind daily
My Shooter Mcgavin draft
Tyrell Terry
Isaiah Joe
Killian Tillie

Hopeful:

14 - Tyrell Terry
26 - Josh Green
30 - Isaiah Stewart

More Realistic:

14 - Tyrese Maxey
26 - Isaiah Stewart
30 - Isaiah Joe


Isaiah Stewart is my new interior target but I agree with others that this is changing daily for me...

[Squigglepuffin]

Killian Hayes is probably the best player in this draft.

In no particular order four of the best five players in this draft will probably be Killian Hayes, Onyeka Okongwu, Anthony Edwards, and Isaac Okoro (if he learns how to shoot). I say four of five because James Wiseman could go either way and if he doesn't someone else will be better than expected.

I hate to agree with Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer but I would take Hayes at #1. There are a bunch of reasons, but suffice it to say I think he'll end up as one of, if not the best player from this draft.

He is the player I think could legitimately go on to become at least a three time all-star, and tbh I'm reluctant to say that about any prospect in this draft.

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Offensively his game 100% translates. Defense could be an issue though with his lateral quickness issues. Can mask that by playing him at the 5 but then he would just get overpowered

Would love him top 3, it can potentially push 1 of Wiseman ot OO further down the draft.

[100proof]

No thanks on Toppin. What did this postseason show? Defense, strength and versatility reign supreme. Toppin has doesn't defend and isn't versatile.

Who fits that in the 5 -
15 range?

Okoro
Onyeka
Hayes
Hali
Pat Williams

In particular, I think Okoro is a jumper away from superstardom. Legitimately, if he can become average there he's an All NBA with his defense, FT drawing and elite interior finishing. He's built like a tank. He's like a larger, twitchier Smart.

Honestly, if he slides past like 7, I'd do everything in my power to trade up for him. This is the exact kind of draft where in retrospect the best player almost assuredly won't go top 1-2 and Okoro IMO has the goods to become that "best guy in this draft" kind of pick.

Hali would be a great consolation. We still need more shooting, and having a P&R initiator at his size to take ballhandling pressure off Tatum and Kemba would be a welcome addition. He could easily run the bench unit as a rookie IMO.

Ainge will prob be patient and let whoever slides to him become his guy but if there is someone he loves, I am all in favor of pushing the chips in like he tried for with Winslow.

I want 2 of those 5 guys,. Kemba and our picks are on the table for them.

IMO

Haliburton or Hayes
Williams or Okoro
Onyeka or Wiseman

Dream draft.

I really love Okoro, but I think Wiliams might be the better pro, he already has a more advanced offense and certainly a better shooter.

Haliburton will contribute right away, and will always be a high floor mid ceiling player, Hayes could be a star but has a lower floor.

OO and Wiseman, I love either. I think OO fits our team better as I believe Wiseman wants to produce offensively.

[100proof]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

14 - Pat Williams, or RJ Hampton ( i would pick Haliburton or OO over Them, but I think they get snagged sooner )
**BACKUP PLAN Kira Lewis Jr

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Elite 3d with potential Can defend multiple possessions, excellent offensive rebounder, very solid off catch and shoot improving on offense overall. Switch ability between sg-pf defensively can play either forward spot effectively offensively. Diet Kawhi Leonard

RJ

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elite athleticism, Turning into a shooter, look out. Might rise up the board fast. Elite speed, great size for the PG spot, can play either guard spot. Can switch defend multiple positions, Lots of heart Cross between westbrook and Jamaal Murray.

26 - Riller or Ramsey
** BACKUP PLAN Isaiah Stewart

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Elite 6th man skill one of the best scorers in the draft, maybe the best. Can do anything you would want offensively, has the potential to be a very solid individual and team defender. 6th man scorer type of player Fred Van Vleet - like

Jahmius Ramsey

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Elite 6th man skills Another one of the best scorers in the draft. He can get his shot off on anyone. Fantastic athleticism, and ball handling. Defensive potential is there. Great length. will be an excellent 6th man scorer off the bench. Very Gary Harris Like

30 - Woodard or Reed

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Almost elite defense, almost elite 3pt shootingWoodard compares like a Tobias Harris type of player(physically built) with outstanding defense.

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Elite Defense - Reed is arguably the top front court defender in the draft. Developing a jumper will make him more playable. Putting on weight and he could maybe be a small ball center.


47 - Isaiah Joe - Elite High volume 3pt shooter at good percentages. Lou Williams type of player.
- Scrubb - Elite athleticism.


Key word for this draft is Elite. Need to draft players with Elite skills.

[31to6]

I’m fine with the Toppin rumors as long as it’s a smokescreen for him to go higher and for us to be able to trade up for Okongwu at #7 or 8

[ConstableGeneva]

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[Homerclease]

Name your perfect, but reasonable, Celtic draft for all 3 picks!!

*My definition of reasonable is a player selected has been mocked at or around Boston's draft spots..

Mine is changing a bit from week to week, but after weeks of yapping on here, here is my "reasonable" But hopeful dream draft.

14 - Precious Achiuwa - super switchable PF-Center with some nice upside
26 - RJ Hampton - a tall very athletic PG/SG - again upside + switchable
30 - (Tyler Bey or R Woodard) whomever looks to be the more promising shooter. Super switchable WING defender..

Maybe not realistic, but within reason..

WHO ARE YOURS!!!

14. Patrick Williams
26. Desmond Bane
30. Azibuke

[100proof]

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Short arms.
can shoot
can defend
elite athlete

#30 might be early
#47 might be late.

[RickyDizzle]

No thanks on Toppin. What did this postseason show? Defense, strength and versatility reign supreme. Toppin has doesn't defend and isn't versatile.

Who fits that in the 5 -
15 range?

Okoro
Onyeka
Hayes
Hali
Pat Williams

In particular, I think Okoro is a jumper away from superstardom. Legitimately, if he can become average there he's an All NBA with his defense, FT drawing and elite interior finishing. He's built like a tank. He's like a larger, twitchier Smart.

Honestly, if he slides past like 7, I'd do everything in my power to trade up for him. This is the exact kind of draft where in retrospect the best player almost assuredly won't go top 1-2 and Okoro IMO has the goods to become that "best guy in this draft" kind of pick.

Hali would be a great consolation. We still need more shooting, and having a P&R initiator at his size to take ballhandling pressure off Tatum and Kemba would be a welcome addition. He could easily run the bench unit as a rookie IMO.

Ainge will prob be patient and let whoever slides to him become his guy but if there is someone he loves, I am all in favor of pushing the chips in like he tried for with Winslow.

I want 2 of those 5 guys,. Kemba and our picks are on the table for them.

IMO

Haliburton or Hayes
Williams or Okoro
Onyeka or Wiseman

Dream draft.

I really love Okoro, but I think Wiliams might be the better pro, he already has a more advanced offense and certainly a better shooter.

Haliburton will contribute right away, and will always be a high floor mid ceiling player, Hayes could be a star but has a lower floor.

OO and Wiseman, I love either. I think OO fits our team better as I believe Wiseman wants to produce offensively.

Realistic... Vassel, Nesmith, Kira Lewis, Terry, Precious, Pat Williams, J Smith, S Bey (in that order) or a slider at 14

At 26, Lewis, J Smith, S. Bey or Ramsey

At 30, Ramsey, T. Bey, Carey, Read, Reed

Guys I want no part of Hampton, Anthony, Maxey, Maledon, McDaniels, Green, Pokemon.

[RickyDizzle]

No thanks on Toppin. What did this postseason show? Defense, strength and versatility reign supreme. Toppin has doesn't defend and isn't versatile.

Who fits that in the 5 -
15 range?

Okoro
Onyeka
Hayes
Hali
Pat Williams

In particular, I think Okoro is a jumper away from superstardom. Legitimately, if he can become average there he's an All NBA with his defense, FT drawing and elite interior finishing. He's built like a tank. He's like a larger, twitchier Smart.

Honestly, if he slides past like 7, I'd do everything in my power to trade up for him. This is the exact kind of draft where in retrospect the best player almost assuredly won't go top 1-2 and Okoro IMO has the goods to become that "best guy in this draft" kind of pick.

Hali would be a great consolation. We still need more shooting, and having a P&R initiator at his size to take ballhandling pressure off Tatum and Kemba would be a welcome addition. He could easily run the bench unit as a rookie IMO.

Ainge will prob be patient and let whoever slides to him become his guy but if there is someone he loves, I am all in favor of pushing the chips in like he tried for with Winslow.

I want 2 of those 5 guys,. Kemba and our picks are on the table for them.

IMO

Haliburton or Hayes
Williams or Okoro
Onyeka or Wiseman

Dream draft.

I really love Okoro, but I think Wiliams might be the better pro, he already has a more advanced offense and certainly a better shooter.

Haliburton will contribute right away, and will always be a high floor mid ceiling player, Hayes could be a star but has a lower floor.

OO and Wiseman, I love either. I think OO fits our team better as I believe Wiseman wants to produce offensively.

Realistic... Vassel, Nesmith, Kira Lewis, Terry, Precious, Pat Williams, J Smith, S Bey (in that order) or a slider at 14

At 26, Lewis, J Smith, S. Bey or Ramsey

At 30, Ramsey, T. Bey, Carey, Reed

Guys I want no part of Hampton, Anthony, Maxey, Maledon, McDaniels, Green, Pokemon.