Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Might be the reason why Ime won't give up the double-big lineups. This is also 4th of 53 in net rating. The offensive rating of this group isn't even that bad. It would put us just outside the top 10, ahead of GSW.

The problematic lineup is the one with Schroder instead of Brown. Even the Kanter-Horford lineups have surprisingly outscored opponents for the most part.

Question is... can Tatum sustain his shooting, aggressiveness in attacking the rim, and playmaking regardless of what position he plays?

Are we blaming the core group when we actually have a sh*t bench?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Horford is still very effective defensively, even as a 4 - he hasn't lost as much mobility to age as you'd think, and his anticipation and timing haven't left him.

[Parliament10]

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Wasn't 9-14 from 3 exactly Tatum's line too?

[djFan71]

Trade Schroder. Shut down Tatum. Bench JRich and Horford (trade ballasts in summer). Get high pick.

Pritchard | Nesmith | Brown | Hauser | Timelord
Smart | Brodric | Langford | Grant | Kanter

Closing lineup of PP-Nee-Ro-Brown-Bruno.

[Parliament10]

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Wasn't 9-14 from 3 exactly Tatum's line too?

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

[Ed Pinkney]

Haven’t listened to it yet but Jackie MacMullan was on The Ringer NBA Show doing a Celtics specific podcast for anyone who might be interested.


https://www.theringer.com/2022/1/24/22899437/celtics-palooza-with-jackie-macmullan

[canman1971]

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Wasn't 9-14 from 3 exactly Tatum's line too?

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

[Parliament10]

Wasn't 9-14 from 3 exactly Tatum's line too?

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

Boston Always wants them to be totally Proven first. -- That's usually a costly mistake.
Nikola Jokić is a prime example. MVP chosen in the 2nd Round, 41st Overall.

Take that, as opposed to Boston going for Kyrie and Kemba. But, letting Rozier go; whom we drafted.
Even going for Hayward and Horford (the first time).

Looking Back at our Draft Picks, going back to at least Smart. We've been doing alright. Could have done even better.
We kick ourselves for missing out on Giannis, and taking Olynyk instead.

This team could be fine, with just Draft picks.

[bucknersrevenge]

Wasn't 9-14 from 3 exactly Tatum's line too?

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

Well, except for Tatum and Brown and Marcus and Rob.

[Parliament10]

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

Well, except for Tatum and Brown and Marcus and Rob.

All except Rob, were Drafted pretty high.
I think that the ones that we need to take a chance on, are further down the totem pole.

[playa-hater]

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

Well, except for Tatum and Brown and Marcus and Rob.

Rob sat behind Theis always, even when Rob was healthy. Remember because he was "missing rotations"

[Ben-N1ce]

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Celtics could use a shooter like Hauser.

[Larry_Russell]

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Celtics could use a shooter like Hauser.

Dont know why we cannot get these guys on the team.

[ballup]

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

Well, except for Tatum and Brown and Marcus and Rob.

Rob sat behind Theis always, even when Rob was healthy. Remember because he was "missing rotations"

Not sure why that last part is in quotes. Rob was blowing basic help coverage in past seasons. Things like that are going to keep you on the bench. Rob is doing much better on those kinds of reads this season.

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[playa-hater]

Well, except for Tatum and Brown and Marcus and Rob.

Rob sat behind Theis always, even when Rob was healthy. Remember because he was "missing rotations"

Not sure why that last part is in quotes. Rob was blowing basic help coverage in past seasons. Things like that are going to keep you on the bench. Rob is doing much better on those kinds of reads this season.

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And just like the arguments back then .. missing basic coverages I felt was

1 overblown

2 shouldn't have stopped him from playing with the rest of the positives that he brings.

3 The more you play a young player the fast he gets rid of his weaknesses it's called playing Experience

[ballup]

Rob sat behind Theis always, even when Rob was healthy. Remember because he was "missing rotations"

Not sure why that last part is in quotes. Rob was blowing basic help coverage in past seasons. Things like that are going to keep you on the bench. Rob is doing much better on those kinds of reads this season.

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And just like the arguments back then .. missing basic coverages I felt was

1 overblown

2 shouldn't have stopped him from playing with the rest of the positives that he brings.

3 The more you play a young player the fast he gets rid of his weaknesses it's called playing Experience

It's extremely important for centers to cover for the rest of the team. Otherwise you promote players to be block chasers like Whiteside. The ones Rob were missing were obvious basic ones that were all his own fault.

Now whether to let guys play through those mistakes is all on the coaches style. Stevens chose to put a line on that and it sends the message that fundamentals are important. Some players respond well to it and others don't. There's no foolproof one size fits all method. However, Stevens had been consistent with that part of his philosophy. He was immediately pulling Jaylen for similar obvious mistakes and he is a guard. Coaches in general want reliability and it's not like this choice ruined Rob. Less but more meaningful reps are better than sloppy high volume reps.



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Wasn't 9-14 from 3 exactly Tatum's line too?

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

To add to the puzzlement, when the young guys do get more playing time (15 minute or more), they acquit themselves well. Seriously, I can't remember a game where Pritchard, Nesmith, or Romeo got 15+ minutes, and they stunk it up. As for Hauser, he hasn't seen enough playing time, but I have faith that he would be OK. Just needs more PT.

[Feed Your Head]

So I dug into the teams defensive stats. Schroder, Tatum, and Romeo are almost impossible to score against in ISO. I’ll post all the rotation players, what percentage that players go iso against them, their oppositions points per possessions against them, and their eFG against.

Schroder- 7.2%/0.32 PPP/19% eFG
Romeo- 12.8%/0.52 PPP/22% eFG
Tatum- 8.5%/0.64 PPP/21.4% eFG
Smart- 3.9%/0.84 PPP/44.3% eFG
Horford- 17.8%/0.84 PPP/42.6% eFG
Rob- 13.4%/0.85 PPP/40.7% eFG
Jaylen- 5.2%/0.90 PPP/47.1% eFG
Grant- 17.6%/0.94 PPP/47.4% eFG
J Rich- 9.1%/0.96 PPP/58.8% eFG

Schroder is what stuck out to me, I would not have expected that lol. I’ll post what players shoot against these guys in total, at some point tonight.

[greenroom31]

Yep. They both scored 9-14 from 3.
Hauser's been hitting 43% from beyond the arc, all year in the G League.

Hauser needs to gain his confidence in the regular NBA. He doesn't belong in the G League.

One thing I have noticed for years, is the Celtics tend to not give players much rope as opposed to other teams. There are some outliers, but no faith in the many they draft. Very puzzling.

To add to the puzzlement, when the young guys do get more playing time (15 minute or more), they acquit themselves well. Seriously, I can't remember a game where Pritchard, Nesmith, or Romeo got 15+ minutes, and they stunk it up. As for Hauser, he hasn't seen enough playing time, but I have faith that he would be OK. Just needs more PT.

Seems like we've had some version of this discussion a lot over the last 2 or 3 years -- why sign Tristan Thompson for example when Rob Williams looks ready for more minutes? Or Jeff Teague when we just drafted Pritchard? Or why in God's name is Semi Ojeleye still getting minutes?

This year it's why did we sign Richardson and Schroder when we have Nesmith, Romeo and Pritchard?

The hope is that Brad (who made the mess this year after living through it the prior 2+ years as coach) cleans things up at the deadline. Honestly it's kind of hard to knock the Schroder deal, since he's dirt cheap and hopefully an asset to a team that wants to contend this year. Richardson has actually played well, he's just not a great fit with Smart and/or Schroder.

And finally, as much as some folks struggle to admit it, some of the blame falls on the young guys. Nesmith and Romeo can NOT consistently stay healthy. Nesmith started the season ice cold, recently had a good game and then immediately sprained his foot. Romeo is perpetually in and out of the lineup with something new. With Pritchard, he started the season ice cold and now he's sort of stuck behind Schroder and Smart until a trade happens.