Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh!

[165bows]

Really hope Walsh loves the state of Maine, because he is going to be spending a lot of time there next year

It’s alright, he was bottom 12 youngest player in the league last year. Dude will take some time to see if he pans out or no.

[Curmudgeon]

He's young and he's bad.

[Riverwalk2021]

JW is a basketball terrorist. Keep him as far away as possible from Boston. No instincts or baseline fundamentals. Will be playing in China in two years.

[Dogen]

JW is a basketball terrorist. Keep him as far away as possible from Boston. No instincts or baseline fundamentals. Will be playing in China in two years.

I take it you watched summer league?

Hard to argue for Walsh, but I think he'll be in the league in 2 years. Maybe not with the Celtics. He doesn't really replace/augment anyone in our top 7-8 rotation, so it may be hard for Joe to use him in the system. Stepping up as Brissett replacement, an energy guy that can crash the boards, is probably his best bet this year. Even then, it would only mean spot minutes.

I have to remind myself that for every Trayce Jackson-Davis there are about 10 2nd round picks that are out of the league in a few years.

However, in Walsh's case, I just see a guy trying to fit into a role that's still uncomfortable for him. Spotting up at the 3pt line is not there for him yet. His passing instincts actually looked pretty good, tho. He has some fundamentals, just spending too much energy trying to do the right thing. It'll come.

Without getting into the C's draft history in the past 6 years, who they drafted, didn't draft, etc, I'd say that Walsh is the closest pick to giving me Timelord vibes. Williams was pretty lost out there at times (and oft injured), but he had the advantage of being bigger than Walsh and primarily just needing to hang around the basket for offensive lobs and defensive blocks. Walsh has to cover more terrain. Like Williams, I think he has good BBIQ, it's just going to take time for him to fit into a disciplined system.

Basketball terrorist is kinda harsh though -- he just turned 20 a few months back.

[playa-hater]

JW is a basketball terrorist. Keep him as far away as possible from Boston. No instincts or baseline fundamentals. Will be playing in China in two years.

I take it you watched summer league?

Hard to argue for Walsh, but I think he'll be in the league in 2 years. Maybe not with the Celtics. He doesn't really replace/augment anyone in our top 7-8 rotation, so it may be hard for Joe to use him in the system. Stepping up as Brissett replacement, an energy guy that can crash the boards, is probably his best bet this year. Even then, it would only mean spot minutes.

I have to remind myself that for every Trayce Jackson-Davis there are about 10 2nd round picks that are out of the league in a few years.

However, in Walsh's case, I just see a guy trying to fit into a role that's still uncomfortable for him. Spotting up at the 3pt line is not there for him yet. His passing instincts actually looked pretty good, tho. He has some fundamentals, just spending too much energy trying to do the right thing. It'll come.

Without getting into the C's draft history in the past 6 years, who they drafted, didn't draft, etc, I'd say that Walsh is the closest pick to giving me Timelord vibes. Williams was pretty lost out there at times (and oft injured), but he had the advantage of being bigger than Walsh and primarily just needing to hang around the basket for offensive lobs and defensive blocks. Walsh has to cover more terrain. Like Williams, I think he has good BBIQ, it's just going to take time for him to fit into a disciplined system.

Basketball terrorist is kinda harsh though -- he just turned 20 a few months back.

I think Huge mistake was not molding him to be just a 3-D type of player. He wasn't bad when doing just that at Maine. But allowing him to try to do Tatum stuff, who in turn is trying to do Kobe stuff, was a recipe for a disaster IMO. But at age 20, he may go in any direction - Bust - OK - 15 year veteran. Way too early to tell.

[cl2117]

JW is a basketball terrorist. Keep him as far away as possible from Boston. No instincts or baseline fundamentals. Will be playing in China in two years.

I take it you watched summer league?

Hard to argue for Walsh, but I think he'll be in the league in 2 years. Maybe not with the Celtics. He doesn't really replace/augment anyone in our top 7-8 rotation, so it may be hard for Joe to use him in the system. Stepping up as Brissett replacement, an energy guy that can crash the boards, is probably his best bet this year. Even then, it would only mean spot minutes.

I have to remind myself that for every Trayce Jackson-Davis there are about 10 2nd round picks that are out of the league in a few years.

However, in Walsh's case, I just see a guy trying to fit into a role that's still uncomfortable for him. Spotting up at the 3pt line is not there for him yet. His passing instincts actually looked pretty good, tho. He has some fundamentals, just spending too much energy trying to do the right thing. It'll come.

Without getting into the C's draft history in the past 6 years, who they drafted, didn't draft, etc, I'd say that Walsh is the closest pick to giving me Timelord vibes. Williams was pretty lost out there at times (and oft injured), but he had the advantage of being bigger than Walsh and primarily just needing to hang around the basket for offensive lobs and defensive blocks. Walsh has to cover more terrain. Like Williams, I think he has good BBIQ, it's just going to take time for him to fit into a disciplined system.

Basketball terrorist is kinda harsh though -- he just turned 20 a few months back.

I think Huge mistake was not molding him to be just a 3-D type of player. He wasn't bad when doing just that at Maine. But allowing him to try to do Tatum stuff, who in turn is trying to do Kobe stuff, was a recipe for a disaster IMO. But at age 20, he may go in any direction - Bust - OK - 15 year veteran. Way too early to tell.

I thought this as well, but I think Walsh is a square peg and that archetype is a round hole. It's just not the right fit and forcing it probably won't work.

He's gotta have some semblance of an offensive game, but parking him behind the 3pt line doesn't seem like the answer. He did some nice things with the ball in his hands during the SL, I think he could be effective as a slasher in time. Swing him the ball and let him drive/kick. As long as it's quick and he's not taking up too much of the shot clock he can help shift the defense at least. Take your wide open 3's, but for the most part just cut and crash the glass when he's off ball. Hang your hat primarily on defense.

Obviously gotta reign in the leash so he understands he's still just a roleplayer and not given the keys to the castle, which is what seems to be part of the problem. I think he even said after one of the SL games that he should have been playing the same way he'd play if Tatum were out there with him, not just trying to show off like it's a tryout, which at least shows some self-awareness. It's a tough line to walk when you're a borderline AAAA guy who can be a stud in the G-League but has to learn to be a roleplayer in the NBA. If he can learn when to pick his spots at the next level, I can see him in that slasher role both on and off the ball.

He's still young and has a ton of tools, but if the C's want him to contribute on this contract and not on his next one when he's playing for a different team, then I think you go the route of making him a defensive specialist who isn't an offensive blackhole. Don't bother with the 3&D focus, aim for being a lockdown on-ball defender who creates turnovers/transition opportunities. That's a rolelpayer I can see Joe having plenty of use for in the next 2-3 years and seems totally within Walsh's wheelhouse.

[brackdan70]

He's young and he's bad.

Well he is young….
For me the jury is till out on good/bad/ugly.

Physical tools are exceptional, so if there is some work ethic he can make a place for himself in the league.

[165bows]

I take it you watched summer league?

Hard to argue for Walsh, but I think he'll be in the league in 2 years. Maybe not with the Celtics. He doesn't really replace/augment anyone in our top 7-8 rotation, so it may be hard for Joe to use him in the system. Stepping up as Brissett replacement, an energy guy that can crash the boards, is probably his best bet this year. Even then, it would only mean spot minutes.

I have to remind myself that for every Trayce Jackson-Davis there are about 10 2nd round picks that are out of the league in a few years.

However, in Walsh's case, I just see a guy trying to fit into a role that's still uncomfortable for him. Spotting up at the 3pt line is not there for him yet. His passing instincts actually looked pretty good, tho. He has some fundamentals, just spending too much energy trying to do the right thing. It'll come.

Without getting into the C's draft history in the past 6 years, who they drafted, didn't draft, etc, I'd say that Walsh is the closest pick to giving me Timelord vibes. Williams was pretty lost out there at times (and oft injured), but he had the advantage of being bigger than Walsh and primarily just needing to hang around the basket for offensive lobs and defensive blocks. Walsh has to cover more terrain. Like Williams, I think he has good BBIQ, it's just going to take time for him to fit into a disciplined system.

Basketball terrorist is kinda harsh though -- he just turned 20 a few months back.

I think Huge mistake was not molding him to be just a 3-D type of player. He wasn't bad when doing just that at Maine. But allowing him to try to do Tatum stuff, who in turn is trying to do Kobe stuff, was a recipe for a disaster IMO. But at age 20, he may go in any direction - Bust - OK - 15 year veteran. Way too early to tell.

I thought this as well, but I think Walsh is a square peg and that archetype is a round hole. It's just not the right fit and forcing it probably won't work.

He's gotta have some semblance of an offensive game, but parking him behind the 3pt line doesn't seem like the answer. He did some nice things with the ball in his hands during the SL, I think he could be effective as a slasher in time. Swing him the ball and let him drive/kick. As long as it's quick and he's not taking up too much of the shot clock he can help shift the defense at least. Take your wide open 3's, but for the most part just cut and crash the glass when he's off ball. Hang your hat primarily on defense.

Obviously gotta reign in the leash so he understands he's still just a roleplayer and not given the keys to the castle, which is what seems to be part of the problem. I think he even said after one of the SL games that he should have been playing the same way he'd play if Tatum were out there with him, not just trying to show off like it's a tryout, which at least shows some self-awareness. It's a tough line to walk when you're a borderline AAAA guy who can be a stud in the G-League but has to learn to be a roleplayer in the NBA. If he can learn when to pick his spots at the next level, I can see him in that slasher role both on and off the ball.

He's still young and has a ton of tools, but if the C's want him to contribute on this contract and not on his next one when he's playing for a different team, then I think you go the route of making him a defensive specialist who isn't an offensive blackhole. Don't bother with the 3&D focus, aim for being a lockdown on-ball defender who creates turnovers/transition opportunities. That's a rolelpayer I can see Joe having plenty of use for in the next 2-3 years and seems totally within Walsh's wheelhouse.

They did the same exact thing with Hauser, who had a "hey I'm not just a stand still three pointer guy, I've got a lot more to offer" summer league. He looked awful doing it and he got panned around here for it, but turned out fine.

I'm wondering if they don't intentionally give these guys some run to be creative on offense. Not sure if it's more to see if they can do it or more to let the player prove to themselves they aren't ready for it lol.

[shackles10]

I'm wondering if they don't intentionally give these guys some run to be creative on offense. Not sure if it's more to see if they can do it or more to let the player prove to themselves they aren't ready for it lol.

Agreed, although I could also see them just doing it to see where a guy's development is for games that truly mean nothing. If he's got more to offer (you know because he's been telling you how hard he's worked and how much he's improved) SL is probably the best place to find that out, and if he's not more than you originally thought heading into SL then like you said he's kind of proven to themselves that's the case. Other than the slight possibility of completely shaken confidence it's a no-lose situation for guys like that. Obviously you can't let just everyone take the reigns all at once in SL, but Walsh this year, Hauser in the past, isn't overkill and fine as an evaluation tool.

[playa-hater]

I take it you watched summer league?

Hard to argue for Walsh, but I think he'll be in the league in 2 years. Maybe not with the Celtics. He doesn't really replace/augment anyone in our top 7-8 rotation, so it may be hard for Joe to use him in the system. Stepping up as Brissett replacement, an energy guy that can crash the boards, is probably his best bet this year. Even then, it would only mean spot minutes.

I have to remind myself that for every Trayce Jackson-Davis there are about 10 2nd round picks that are out of the league in a few years.

However, in Walsh's case, I just see a guy trying to fit into a role that's still uncomfortable for him. Spotting up at the 3pt line is not there for him yet. His passing instincts actually looked pretty good, tho. He has some fundamentals, just spending too much energy trying to do the right thing. It'll come.

Without getting into the C's draft history in the past 6 years, who they drafted, didn't draft, etc, I'd say that Walsh is the closest pick to giving me Timelord vibes. Williams was pretty lost out there at times (and oft injured), but he had the advantage of being bigger than Walsh and primarily just needing to hang around the basket for offensive lobs and defensive blocks. Walsh has to cover more terrain. Like Williams, I think he has good BBIQ, it's just going to take time for him to fit into a disciplined system.

Basketball terrorist is kinda harsh though -- he just turned 20 a few months back.

I think Huge mistake was not molding him to be just a 3-D type of player. He wasn't bad when doing just that at Maine. But allowing him to try to do Tatum stuff, who in turn is trying to do Kobe stuff, was a recipe for a disaster IMO. But at age 20, he may go in any direction - Bust - OK - 15 year veteran. Way too early to tell.

I thought this as well, but I think Walsh is a square peg and that archetype is a round hole. It's just not the right fit and forcing it probably won't work.

He's gotta have some semblance of an offensive game, but parking him behind the 3pt line doesn't seem like the answer. He did some nice things with the ball in his hands during the SL, I think he could be effective as a slasher in time. Swing him the ball and let him drive/kick. As long as it's quick and he's not taking up too much of the shot clock he can help shift the defense at least. Take your wide open 3's, but for the most part just cut and crash the glass when he's off ball. Hang your hat primarily on defense.

Obviously gotta reign in the leash so he understands he's still just a roleplayer and not given the keys to the castle, which is what seems to be part of the problem. I think he even said after one of the SL games that he should have been playing the same way he'd play if Tatum were out there with him, not just trying to show off like it's a tryout, which at least shows some self-awareness. It's a tough line to walk when you're a borderline AAAA guy who can be a stud in the G-League but has to learn to be a roleplayer in the NBA. If he can learn when to pick his spots at the next level, I can see him in that slasher role both on and off the ball.

He's still young and has a ton of tools, but if the C's want him to contribute on this contract and not on his next one when he's playing for a different team, then I think you go the route of making him a defensive specialist who isn't an offensive blackhole. Don't bother with the 3&D focus, aim for being a lockdown on-ball defender who creates turnovers/transition opportunities. That's a rolelpayer I can see Joe having plenty of use for in the next 2-3 years and seems totally within Walsh's wheelhouse.

Well in essence, simplifying Walsh's game, much the way you described, on offense and letting Walsh focus strictly on his defense is the way to Go. Walsh's calling Card or trademark has to start with his defense.

[Dogen]

I think Huge mistake was not molding him to be just a 3-D type of player. He wasn't bad when doing just that at Maine. But allowing him to try to do Tatum stuff, who in turn is trying to do Kobe stuff, was a recipe for a disaster IMO. But at age 20, he may go in any direction - Bust - OK - 15 year veteran. Way too early to tell.

I thought this as well, but I think Walsh is a square peg and that archetype is a round hole. It's just not the right fit and forcing it probably won't work.

He's gotta have some semblance of an offensive game, but parking him behind the 3pt line doesn't seem like the answer. He did some nice things with the ball in his hands during the SL, I think he could be effective as a slasher in time. Swing him the ball and let him drive/kick. As long as it's quick and he's not taking up too much of the shot clock he can help shift the defense at least. Take your wide open 3's, but for the most part just cut and crash the glass when he's off ball. Hang your hat primarily on defense.

Obviously gotta reign in the leash so he understands he's still just a roleplayer and not given the keys to the castle, which is what seems to be part of the problem. I think he even said after one of the SL games that he should have been playing the same way he'd play if Tatum were out there with him, not just trying to show off like it's a tryout, which at least shows some self-awareness. It's a tough line to walk when you're a borderline AAAA guy who can be a stud in the G-League but has to learn to be a roleplayer in the NBA. If he can learn when to pick his spots at the next level, I can see him in that slasher role both on and off the ball.

He's still young and has a ton of tools, but if the C's want him to contribute on this contract and not on his next one when he's playing for a different team, then I think you go the route of making him a defensive specialist who isn't an offensive blackhole. Don't bother with the 3&D focus, aim for being a lockdown on-ball defender who creates turnovers/transition opportunities. That's a rolelpayer I can see Joe having plenty of use for in the next 2-3 years and seems totally within Walsh's wheelhouse.

Well in essence, simplifying Walsh's game, much the way you described, on offense and letting Walsh focus strictly on his defense is the way to Go. Walsh's calling Card or trademark has to start with his defense.

Yeah, this is all too true. Walsh should be either passing or finishing, but initiating moves on his own or being a spot up 3 shooter isn't effective so far.

I watched him in the Miami games and compare him to the more skilled/mature Jaquez. Jaime is not a great 3pt shooter, but when he makes a move, you can see that he has about 3-4 options of what to do in the lane.

Walsh, OTOH, it looks really telegraphed: "Hey everybody, I'm going right and THROWIN' IT DOWN!" very easy to pick his pocket or meet him at the rim when it's that predictable.

I'm actually OK with him trying some stuff in summer league. He needs some reps, and it does look like he can become a decent slasher in time. But if wants to show this stuff in a real Celtics game and gets stuffed, Joe will have the hook ready, for sure.

[cloverleaf]

Who becomes a rotation player in the league first: Walsh, Davison, or Watson?

I'm guessing

1) Watson,
2) Davison,
3) Walsh.

[Riverwalk2021]

Watson has a good chance to be a contributor because he has instincts and fundamentals Walsh lacks. I was excited about Walsh initially but what we saw in SL was a complete ****.

[Riverwalk2021]

Honestly, Walsh should be sweeping up TD Garden after games considering what he’s getting paid. Dude is stealing money

[Parasite]

Who becomes a rotation player in the league first: Walsh, Davison, or Watson?

I'm guessing

1) Watson,
2) Davison,
3) Walsh.

Take out both Davison and Walsh and I suspect that will be the correct answer.

[playa-hater]

Who becomes a rotation player in the league first: Walsh, Davison, or Watson?

I'm guessing

1) Watson,
2) Davison,
3) Walsh.

Watson in 2024/25 season.

Walsh 2026/2027 season.

JD - never..

[Shak_Celts]

I’m still riding with Little Kawhi!

[shackles10]

I’m still riding with Little Kawhi!

And when are we drafting him?

[Shak_Celts]

I’m still riding with Little Kawhi!

And when are we drafting him?

Don’t you do that! You know Walsh is going to break out soon!

Brad is never wrong… well, at some point he has to prove it with drafting, but we can let him slide since he has only drafted seconds aside from Rico.

[snowman]

Who becomes a rotation player in the league first: Walsh, Davison, or Watson?


I'm guessing

1) Watson,
2) Davison,
3) Walsh.

Watson in 2024/25 season.

Walsh 2026/2027 season.

JD - never..

I think Brad hit a home run with Watson as far as 2nd round picks go. He will be a rotation player soon, possibly this season, behind Tillman.
This will be Walsh's 2nd year, and he will need to preform like a man in a boy's game, or he could be traded or released next off season, regardless of age. After the summer league, his confidence is shot, and it will need to be rebuilt for him to improve. Lucky for him, he has the tools, just needs to put it together. If Jay Scrub is healthy though, I would put him ahead of Walsh on the depth chart.
This is a do or die season for Davison. If he doesn't skyrocket on day one in the G-League, he will be in China before the end of the year.