All things Draft Pick. #3

[CelticsPride18]

Another thought. Ainge may have a player he REALLY likes in 2018 (not for nothing, Demakis is hyping GOAT potential for Doncic), and this gives us the ammo to target him, even if he's projected #1 if we end up with #2 (BKN) and #3,4 or 5 (LAL).

Why there's so much hype for Doncic? I see another Rubio who also played really good at very young age in europe. Turned into solid starter/rotational PG.

Rubio couldn't score in Europe. Doncic has shown he can shoot,dribble and penetrate.

[BigTrade92]

You have a reading comprehension problem. I'm talking about whether the 2-5 protection is good, as opposed to have it unprotected. You were complaining about the tiny chance the Sixers will get the #1 pick next year.

Obviously getting both Lakers '18 and Kings '19 would be better. As would getting the Lakers' pick protected 1-5. But those ships have sailed. I was just answering your question.

I don't need a question answered. I think the trade is crap. I could care less about your opinion on the return or pretection.

Well, if we're going to disregard opinions, then yours is probably the last one anybody wants to hear, given your opinion 4 years ago. Nailed that one, didn't ya.

You nailed absolutely nothing. Basketball people much smarter than you and I didn't like it at the time, including Bill Simmons who knows more about ball than you and I combined.

But other than a cheap rib from you, your look into the vault means little here, years later. This trade is still crap.

[DarkAzcura]

Another thought. Ainge may have a player he REALLY likes in 2018 (not for nothing, Demakis is hyping GOAT potential for Doncic), and this gives us the ammo to target him, even if he's projected #1 if we end up with #2 (BKN) and #3,4 or 5 (LAL).

Why there's so much hype for Doncic? I see another Rubio who also played really good at very young age in europe. Turned into solid starter/rotational PG.

Doncic can actually shoot and score. He's also much bigger.

[ViperGTS]

The KG trade was on one hand a great move and on the other hand a cautionary tale. A solitary championship is great...multiples is better. It was a last ditch move and it paid off with a title, but that was 10 years ago.

LOL

Unfrigginbelievable.

So trading everyone for one title is worth it? That's why the Pats are so great. They don't make reactionary moves and now have 5 titles. It's like the Spurs. We get to say.."we won a title in '08!"

They say...that's nice. We have 5.

Edit: Would I trade the KG years or take it back? No chance, but I don't want to the after effect again either.

[GoCeltics123]

Watch on YouTube

David Aldridge mentions Jimmy Butler too

[Captain_Caveman]

The KG trade was on one hand a great move and on the other hand a cautionary tale. A solitary championship is great...multiples is better. It was a last ditch move and it paid off with a title, but that was 10 years ago.

LOL

Unfrigginbelievable.

We gave them a complete **** pile and won a title, and nearly 1-2 more.

So many bad takes I can't even process right now.

[Sven]

Another thought. Ainge may have a player he REALLY likes in 2018 (not for nothing, Demakis is hyping GOAT potential for Doncic), and this gives us the ammo to target him, even if he's projected #1 if we end up with #2 (BKN) and #3,4 or 5 (LAL).

Why there's so much hype for Doncic? I see another Rubio who also played really good at very young age in europe. Turned into solid starter/rotational PG.

Because comparisons to Rubio are off-base and just rely on the fact that he's a Euro. Rubio couldn't shoot and had all the skills before he came into the league, and the team that drafted him thought that he could improve his scoring ability. He never improved his scoring ability, but all of his other elite ability is still elite in the NBA, he is what we thought he was. Doncic doesn't have any of the scoring/shooting deficiencies Rubio had coming into the league. They don't even play the same position.

[amory87]

Would you rather have:

1.) The Lakers unprotected 2018 pick.
Or
2.) The Lakers 2018 pick if it's 2-5 else the Kings 2019 unprotected pick.

If the answer is (1), you aren't very smart.

If the answer is (2), then stop mentioning protections when complaining about the trade.

The answer is nether. Its Fultz. If you want him and this pick you blow me away with an offer I can't refuse. This offer is far removed from that.

I get it. You don't want to answer the question because it shows your incessant hyperbole has no credibility. Everyone sees it now. Go back to you're agenda-driven whining.

The answer is, people want the highest pick possible.

Here's what a more acceptable deal would've been, if all we're gonna get are picks

#1 for #3 and the 2018 Lakers pick if it's <4, 2019 Kings pick if > or = 4

[CelticsLV]

Another thought. Ainge may have a player he REALLY likes in 2018 (not for nothing, Demakis is hyping GOAT potential for Doncic), and this gives us the ammo to target him, even if he's projected #1 if we end up with #2 (BKN) and #3,4 or 5 (LAL).

Why there's so much hype for Doncic? I see another Rubio who also played really good at very young age in europe. Turned into solid starter/rotational PG.

Rubio couldn't score in Europe. Doncic has shown he can shoot,dribble and penetrate.

Doncic is averaging 7.8 PPG. Rubio had better scoring seasons.

[pb-ceo]

jackson looks like the best athlete, the most intensity, the desire to be a two way player. I think he is your guy.

[soxfan2003]

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Tee hee hee.

Look at the one directly above it

Posted that one last night lol.

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All kind of boring links mostly before trade even completed but I was way too charitable on the Nets end of the deal. I remember being a little charitable to them since I actually have a Nets friend in real life and I wanted PP/KG to do well. (My honest thought at the time operating under the assumption Nets ownership would at least try to continue spending tons of money was that they overpayed by 20-25% in a situation that didn't need to be doing that since Ainge was in the same position that Chicago is in now....so I will be upset if Ainge overpays for Butler given his age/injury concerns) The Nets never had a chance to beat Miami after Billy King held onto Lopez and he got hurt and Williams played injured himself in the playoffs. I never saw Lopez as a long term must keep player or Williams as this must keep player so I would have been looking for another player that fit better with KG and considered dealing Williams as well.

Not sure if conditional protection is possible but what the Nets should have demanded before doing the last 3 years of the deal is a clause saying that if either 2016 or 2017 pick was top 1-5 and Boston chose to claim the pick since the top portion of the draft wasn't lousy like 2013, 2018 pick cancelled. If not possible, they should have told Ainge to go fly a kite before including that 2017 pick swap.

[ViperGTS]

LOL

Unfrigginbelievable.

We gave them a complete **** pile and won a title, and nearly 1-2 more.

So many bad takes I can't even process right now.

Nearly is nice. The Pats nearly have 7 titles. Doesn't count. As I added, I'd do that trade again for KG and Ray. That was a one off and sustainability is far more important. The Pats have won 2 more titles since then.

[The Rondo Show]

LOL

Unfrigginbelievable.

So trading everyone for one title is worth it? That's why the Pats are so great. They don't make reactionary moves and now have 5 titles. It's like the Spurs. We get to say.."we won a title in '08!"

They say...that's nice. We have 5.

The #1 reason the Spurs are so great/have so many titles is they won a lottery in a year with a true all-time great prospect in Tim Duncan. Without him, none of it would've meant anything. Give them credit for maximizing their talent around him, but there's no dynasty without the pure luck that was getting the #1 overall pick in the perfect year to do it. Markelle Fultz ain't no Tim Duncan.

The Pats comparison isn't good because it's an entirely different sport, but a big part of why they are so great is they lucked into the GOAT at QB in the 6th round. Again, credit them for surrounding Brady real well and coming out of it with 5 titles instead of say 1 or 2 like a lot of other teams with HOF QB's do. But it all started with a stroke of historical luck. You want a long time, multiple title dynasty? Gotta get lucky by finding a freak show, historical talent. Is that what you believe Fultz is? We are going to STRONGLY disagree if that's the case...and I like him a lot. Should be an all-star and is #1 on my board by a solid margin. But he's not leading you to the kind of success you are talking about...not even close.

[fallguy]

I wonder how much of this is influenced by the idea LeBron might head to the Lakers next summer.

[Cornbread]

The answer is nether. Its Fultz. If you want him and this pick you blow me away with an offer I can't refuse. This offer is far removed from that.

I get it. You don't want to answer the question because it shows your incessant hyperbole has no credibility. Everyone sees it now. Go back to you're agenda-driven whining.

The answer is, people want the highest pick possible.

Here's what a more acceptable deal would've been, if all we're gonna get are picks

#1 for #3 and the 2018 Lakers pick if it's <4, 2019 Kings pick if > or = 4

I don't have a problem with people being pessimistic about the trade or thinking we should have gotten more.

I'm specifically siting him using the term "protected" pick to try and drive emphasis towards his point when in actuality the protection of the pick is completely counter to his point.

Trump uses the same tactic all the time. If it isn't lying, it's only semantically so.

[DarkAzcura]

Why there's so much hype for Doncic? I see another Rubio who also played really good at very young age in europe. Turned into solid starter/rotational PG.

Rubio couldn't score in Europe. Doncic has shown he can shoot,dribble and penetrate.

Doncic is averaging 7.8 PPG. Rubio had better scoring seasons.

Yeah shooting under 40% in more minutes. Raw scoring numbers don't mean anything. Doncic will be a much better scorer in the NBA because of his skill set.

[BRUNiNHO91]

LOL

Unfrigginbelievable.

So trading everyone for one title is worth it? That's why the Pats are so great. They don't make reactionary moves and now have 5 titles. It's like the Spurs. We get to say.."we won a title in '08!"

They say...that's nice. We have 5.

I take it you were all for keeping Al Jefferson, Delonte, Ryan Gomes and Jeff Green and building for 4 or 5 championships with them?

[Andrew McCeltic]

We are not drafting a guard, DA said as much. So it is between Jackson/Tatum. God I hope it is Tatum. Can't deal with ya'll hyping up another player who can't score.

Jackson can score. He has excellent ball handling and can get to the rim. He's shown good touch with both hands. He'll be a 20 ppg scorer in his prime.

Jackson has good handles as a point forward, and in a straight line - he's not excellent, he's not Fultz, IT, Kyrie. I think he can get there, even if he's 20 already. But that's actually his biggest weakness, even more so than his shot. He improved at both as the year went on, he had some decent shooting streaks, but when he was more aggressive as a scorer, he was benefiting from great spacing, and he had some sloppy dribble moves that aren't likely to fly in the NBA.

[Roddy]

Doncic look like a young Bodiroga. He can do everything, but he is slow. Not sure he will fit in the NBA.

[KumaJG]

We are not drafting a guard, DA said as much. So it is between Jackson/Tatum. God I hope it is Tatum. Can't deal with ya'll hyping up another player who can't score.

Jackson can score. He has excellent ball handling and can get to the rim. He's shown good touch with both hands. He'll be a 20 ppg scorer in his prime.

JJ not going to be a scorer in the NBA. Form is broken, free throw shooting terrible, can't do much off the dribble, and can't create his own shoot. He is going to have trouble creating against NBA wing.

We are not drafting a guard, DA said as much. So it is between Jackson/Tatum. God I hope it is Tatum. Can't deal with ya'll hyping up another player who can't score.

Jackson can score. He has excellent ball handling and can get to the rim. He's shown good touch with both hands. He'll be a 20 ppg scorer in his prime.

Jackson has good handles as a point forward, and in a straight line - he's not excellent, he's not Fultz, IT, Kyrie. I think he can get there, even if he's 20 already. But that's actually his biggest weakness, even more so than his shot. He improved at both as the year went on, he had some decent shooting streaks, but when he was more aggressive as a scorer, he was benefiting from great spacing, and he had some sloppy dribble moves that aren't likely to fly in the NBA.

Nah his shoot still terrible.