Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Scarletfire81]

I wonder if the Pistons would be interested in Trading Drummond for Hayward + assets. The dude is only 26 and averaging 17 points and 16 rebound a game.

[Gomes3PC]

Not sure he's got the bulk to really help against the Embiid's of the world, but I would kick the tires on WCS. Warriors are clearly going nowhere and his salary is low enough to make pretty much any deal work.

By advanced metrics he's just about the only guy on that Warriors team that is defending, and I think in a more functional offense he'd not be a total liability out there.

He's exactly the kind of guy to consider using Poirier + [draft pick] to acquire, if Stevens is worried about Timelord being ready for playoff minutes.

[Gomes3PC]

I wonder if the Pistons would be interested in Trading Drummond for Hayward + assets. The dude is only 26 and averaging 17 points and 16 rebound a game.

I wouldn't trade Hayward for Drummond straight up.

[Scarletfire81]

I wonder if the Pistons would be interested in Trading Drummond for Hayward + assets. The dude is only 26 and averaging 17 points and 16 rebound a game.

I wouldn't trade Hayward for Drummond straight up.

I honestly don’t watch a lot of Pistons but is Drummond overrated? I mean I see he’s had games this season with over 20 rebounds. Kemba Smart Tatum Brown and Drummond seems like a nice balance. No way do I see the Celtics trading Hayward though.

[djFan71]

How good are Willie Cauley-Stein and Looney? This GSW tax situation could be something good for us, but other teams will have the same idea.

Yeah, good enough that your second sentence is correct. I think it takes some sweetening on two fronts, one to GSW, one to the team with cap space. As far as I know, that's only ATL. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

So, you gotta ply them with a pick and see how little you can give back to GSW. Hopefully the tax savings is enough. Normally they'd have to pay to dump into cap space, but Looney is good enough, i don't think they do.

Not sure how many teams will want to make it worth it to ATL.

What's so great about Looney that it's worthwhile ignoring the health doubts?

Neuropathy: https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Specialist-Uncertainty-surrounds-Kevon-14573087.php
I now take care of my body, which I didn't do before: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/kevon-looneys-lifestyle-change-has-allowed-him-reach-new-level

Start with not knowing about them.
Obviously, you'd have to do due diligence. But, the price is pretty low, imo, so I'd probably still be in unless there were red flags, then I wouldn't.

[MagicBagley18]

Beal is not that superstar top 10 player you claim we absolutely have to have but even I would go for trading Brown for Beal in a heartbeat and it would make us very serious contenders.

Nope he’s not but he’s much much much closer than brown. He’s 27 7 & almost 5. Right now. Albeit it’s on a bad team but I think he’s the perfect personality for Boston and his play style would mesh with brad and the Celtics pretty seamlessly. He also will be just turning 27 next season and while he is not the top 10 player, I believe he’s in the 12 -16 range and would allow the departure of Hayward to be easier if they decide to let that happen.

We also would still have Tatum and we can sit and watch his development. I don’t know who will become available in the next 8-16 months, the nba is a ever changing landscape and while Beal is NOT the kill shot and I understand waiting for that or hoping for that to happen he is a major upgrade and I wouldn’t hesitate trading brown for him.

You're not telling me anything I don't know already but don't act like Tatum is some untouchable player. The only reason he won't be available for a star player of Beal's ilk is because he doesn't have the salary ballast to make it happen. Fact is Jaylen has been better to date and if you can't acknowledge that then it's just about the agenda you keep pushing.

And please enough comparing Jaylen to current star players, I get it. I never said he was gonna be the next superstar but he's more than on his way to earning that contract which by the way won't be an albatross that some are suggesting it's gonna be.

If you were to ask me last season about Tatum's potential I would of said top 10, but I'm not seeing it as of now. Unfortunately he's becoming exactly what I thought he'd before that draft happened, a very good player but not a star prospect that a #1 pick should command. I certainly hope I'm wrong and I still haven't lost complete hope at all.

Tatum is untouchable for me. So we disagree. Untouchable baring one of those game changing big fish. I see Paul George all over him and think his offensive game is gonna be so nuanced and top level as he grows as player with good defense.

[MagicBagley18]

Beal is not that superstar top 10 player you claim we absolutely have to have but even I would go for trading Brown for Beal in a heartbeat and it would make us very serious contenders.

Nope he’s not but he’s much much much closer than brown. He’s 27 7 & almost 5. Right now. Albeit it’s on a bad team but I think he’s the perfect personality for Boston and his play style would mesh with brad and the Celtics pretty seamlessly. He also will be just turning 27 next season and while he is not the top 10 player, I believe he’s in the 12 -16 range and would allow the departure of Hayward to be easier if they decide to let that happen.

We also would still have Tatum and we can sit and watch his development. I don’t know who will become available in the next 8-16 months, the nba is a ever changing landscape and while Beal is NOT the kill shot and I understand waiting for that or hoping for that to happen he is a major upgrade and I wouldn’t hesitate trading brown for him.

You're not telling me anything I don't know already but don't act like Tatum is some untouchable player. The only reason he won't be available for a star player of Beal's ilk is because he doesn't have the salary ballast to make it happen. Fact is Jaylen has been better to date and if you can't acknowledge that then it's just about the agenda you keep pushing.

And please enough comparing Jaylen to current star players, I get it. I never said he was gonna be the next superstar but he's more than on his way to earning that contract which by the way won't be an albatross that some are suggesting it's gonna be.

If you were to ask me last season about Tatum's potential I would of said top 10, but I'm not seeing it as of now. Unfortunately he's becoming exactly what I thought he'd before that draft happened, a very good player but not a star prospect that a #1 pick should command. I certainly hope I'm wrong and I still haven't lost complete hope at all.

Btw I’m not pushing an agenda, I’m pushing an opinion. If I had an agenda I’d never give Jaylen any props or recognition- I do. I also do acknowledge I want and hope I am wrong about him.

I’ve seen Tatum go up against pg and kawhi this year and drop 30. 25 against Milwaukee. With Tatum it’s about shot selection, adding muscle and finishing his moves off. I think he’s a stud. He has all the offensive moves down in his repertoire and if he can put it all together he’s all nba level. Jaylen IMO is way more reliant on his athleticism and ability to pick apart the other teams 3rd or 4th option.

Again I’m just a man with an opinion. No agenda- just don’t agree with you and therefore it’s labeled that.

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Beal is not that superstar top 10 player you claim we absolutely have to have but even I would go for trading Brown for Beal in a heartbeat and it would make us very serious contenders.

Nope he’s not but he’s much much much closer than brown. He’s 27 7 & almost 5. Right now. Albeit it’s on a bad team but I think he’s the perfect personality for Boston and his play style would mesh with brad and the Celtics pretty seamlessly. He also will be just turning 27 next season and while he is not the top 10 player, I believe he’s in the 12 -16 range and would allow the departure of Hayward to be easier if they decide to let that happen.

We also would still have Tatum and we can sit and watch his development. I don’t know who will become available in the next 8-16 months, the nba is a ever changing landscape and while Beal is NOT the kill shot and I understand waiting for that or hoping for that to happen he is a major upgrade and I wouldn’t hesitate trading brown for him.

You're not telling me anything I don't know already but don't act like Tatum is some untouchable player. The only reason he won't be available for a star player of Beal's ilk is because he doesn't have the salary ballast to make it happen. Fact is Jaylen has been better to date and if you can't acknowledge that then it's just about the agenda you keep pushing.

And please enough comparing Jaylen to current star players, I get it. I never said he was gonna be the next superstar but he's more than on his way to earning that contract which by the way won't be an albatross that some are suggesting it's gonna be.

If you were to ask me last season about Tatum's potential I would of said top 10, but I'm not seeing it as of now. Unfortunately he's becoming exactly what I thought he'd before that draft happened, a very good player but not a star prospect that a #1 pick should command. I certainly hope I'm wrong and I still haven't lost complete hope at all.

JT is the more valuable asset than Beal right now (and of course they're close pals) and way ahead of impact on the team than JB, despite JB's more consistent offense and better shooting % on 2's, particularly. They Jays start together yet JB has an on/offf per 100 possessions of -0,4 on the year to JT's +18.1. There is a reason JT is on most league observers' top-10 MVP ladder and JB doesn't show up in that conversation at all.

And don't get me wrong, I'm happy Danny locked up JB and very happy with his progression over the past couple of years.

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Oh, and Beal is a nice player, but really not all that special. JT is still 21yo and a far more valuable defender already, yet he and Beal have an identical .556 career TS%. JT also has the higher 3pt%, at .391 to .381 and FT%, at .839 to .801. As you would expect, given the size and position differential, Beal is somewhat ahead on assists and JT on rebounds. JT is a career 1.0 DBPM to Beal's -1.2.

So JT already, at 21yo is the better pure shooter and defender. And of course he is a significantly larger human being. Plus still cheap.

I wouldn't swap JB for Beal straight up either. Already JB with the (slightly) better career TS% and he's got all those other defensive and general athletic gifts going, as well as improving rapidly year-to-year, able to defend "up" if you will. Sure, Beal is more of a polished assist man, but for their age and accomplishment and potential--even putting aside their contracts--I'd go with Brown, thank you.

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Oh, and Beal is a nice player, but really not all that special. JT is still 21yo and a far more valuable defender already, yet he and Beal have an identical .556 career TS%. JT also has the higher 3pt%, at .391 to .381 and FT%, at .839 to .801. As you would expect, given the size and position differential, Beal is somewhat ahead on assists and JT on rebounds. JT is a career 1.0 DBPM to Beal's -1.2.

So JT already, at 21yo is the better pure shooter and defender. And of course he is a significantly larger human being. Plus still cheap.

I wouldn't swap JB for Beal straight up either. Already JB with the (slightly) better career TS% and he's got all those other defensive and general athletic gifts going, as well as improving rapidly year-to-year, able to defend "up" if you will. Sure, Beal is more of a polished assist man, but for their age and accomplishment and potential--even putting aside their contracts--I'd go with Brown, thank you.

[cloverleaf]

I wonder if the Pistons would be interested in Trading Drummond for Hayward + assets. The dude is only 26 and averaging 17 points and 16 rebound a game.

I wouldn't trade Hayward for Drummond straight up.

I honestly don’t watch a lot of Pistons but is Drummond overrated? I mean I see he’s had games this season with over 20 rebounds. Kemba Smart Tatum Brown and Drummond seems like a nice balance. No way do I see the Celtics trading Hayward though.

He's got his FT% up to .632 this year and is never gonna stretch the floor for you, but with a .568 TS% on 24.5% usage, he's not gonna hurt you on O like he once did. Yeah, he'd be a great complement to the C's wing players and Kemba. But would the team be better off with him than Gordon at this point? I'm not convinced at that. The Jays still have their training wheels on in terms of even a supporting playmaker. Gordo should be at his peak by this postseason.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Nope he’s not but he’s much much much closer than brown. He’s 27 7 & almost 5. Right now. Albeit it’s on a bad team but I think he’s the perfect personality for Boston and his play style would mesh with brad and the Celtics pretty seamlessly. He also will be just turning 27 next season and while he is not the top 10 player, I believe he’s in the 12 -16 range and would allow the departure of Hayward to be easier if they decide to let that happen.

We also would still have Tatum and we can sit and watch his development. I don’t know who will become available in the next 8-16 months, the nba is a ever changing landscape and while Beal is NOT the kill shot and I understand waiting for that or hoping for that to happen he is a major upgrade and I wouldn’t hesitate trading brown for him.

You're not telling me anything I don't know already but don't act like Tatum is some untouchable player. The only reason he won't be available for a star player of Beal's ilk is because he doesn't have the salary ballast to make it happen. Fact is Jaylen has been better to date and if you can't acknowledge that then it's just about the agenda you keep pushing.

And please enough comparing Jaylen to current star players, I get it. I never said he was gonna be the next superstar but he's more than on his way to earning that contract which by the way won't be an albatross that some are suggesting it's gonna be.

If you were to ask me last season about Tatum's potential I would of said top 10, but I'm not seeing it as of now. Unfortunately he's becoming exactly what I thought he'd before that draft happened, a very good player but not a star prospect that a #1 pick should command. I certainly hope I'm wrong and I still haven't lost complete hope at all.

Tatum is untouchable for me. So we disagree. Untouchable baring one of those game changing big fish. I see Paul George all over him and think his offensive game is gonna be so nuanced and top level as he grows as player with good defense.

100% this. I only move Tatum for a legit top 5 player.

People underrate how good he is because of his shooting %’s, but he’s **** killed it this year— you dont trade wings who flash all-NBA defensive skills combined with the potential to be a first option on offense.

[MagicBagley18]

You're not telling me anything I don't know already but don't act like Tatum is some untouchable player. The only reason he won't be available for a star player of Beal's ilk is because he doesn't have the salary ballast to make it happen. Fact is Jaylen has been better to date and if you can't acknowledge that then it's just about the agenda you keep pushing.

And please enough comparing Jaylen to current star players, I get it. I never said he was gonna be the next superstar but he's more than on his way to earning that contract which by the way won't be an albatross that some are suggesting it's gonna be.

If you were to ask me last season about Tatum's potential I would of said top 10, but I'm not seeing it as of now. Unfortunately he's becoming exactly what I thought he'd before that draft happened, a very good player but not a star prospect that a #1 pick should command. I certainly hope I'm wrong and I still haven't lost complete hope at all.

Tatum is untouchable for me. So we disagree. Untouchable baring one of those game changing big fish. I see Paul George all over him and think his offensive game is gonna be so nuanced and top level as he grows as player with good defense.

100% this. I only move Tatum for a legit top 5 player.

People underrate how good he is because of his shooting %’s, but he’s **** killed it this year— you dont trade wings who flash all-NBA defensive skills combined with the potential to be a first option on offense.

Dead on. I’m looking at the shots he’s taking not his %. if it’s those 2nd year dumb shots that’s no good but if you just watch his game, his attention to detail on small things is much improved. As is his effort defensively.

[Wes-J]

Tatum is untouchable for me. So we disagree. Untouchable baring one of those game changing big fish. I see Paul George all over him and think his offensive game is gonna be so nuanced and top level as he grows as player with good defense.

100% this. I only move Tatum for a legit top 5 player.

People underrate how good he is because of his shooting %’s, but he’s **** killed it this year— you dont trade wings who flash all-NBA defensive skills combined with the potential to be a first option on offense.

Dead on. I’m looking at the shots he’s taking not his %. if it’s those 2nd year dumb shots that’s no good but if you just watch his game, his attention to detail on small things is much improved. As is his effort defensively.

Except for I'm not trying to compare who is the better prospect I specifically stated that Jaylen is having the better season to date hands down.

You gotta be kidding me if you're willing to move Tatum for ONLY a top 5 player.

[MagicBagley18]

100% this. I only move Tatum for a legit top 5 player.

People underrate how good he is because of his shooting %’s, but he’s **** killed it this year— you dont trade wings who flash all-NBA defensive skills combined with the potential to be a first option on offense.

Dead on. I’m looking at the shots he’s taking not his %. if it’s those 2nd year dumb shots that’s no good but if you just watch his game, his attention to detail on small things is much improved. As is his effort defensively.

Except for I'm not trying to compare who is the better prospect I specifically stated that Jaylen is having the better season to date hands down.

You gotta be kidding me if you're willing to move Tatum for ONLY a top 5 player.

Top 5-10 maybe. That’s it’s. kid is a stud. Would not deal him for Beal. Would deal brown for Beal.

[MagicBagley18]

100% this. I only move Tatum for a legit top 5 player.

People underrate how good he is because of his shooting %’s, but he’s **** killed it this year— you dont trade wings who flash all-NBA defensive skills combined with the potential to be a first option on offense.

Dead on. I’m looking at the shots he’s taking not his %. if it’s those 2nd year dumb shots that’s no good but if you just watch his game, his attention to detail on small things is much improved. As is his effort defensively.

Except for I'm not trying to compare who is the better prospect I specifically stated that Jaylen is having the better season to date hands down.

You gotta be kidding me if you're willing to move Tatum for ONLY a top 5 player.

Top 5 yes I’d do that easy. Have to think about it if it’s for like number 10 and you have to talk me into it- I’d probably pass. 1-5, 6 or. 7 yes I do it.

[Wes-J]

Dead on. I’m looking at the shots he’s taking not his %. if it’s those 2nd year dumb shots that’s no good but if you just watch his game, his attention to detail on small things is much improved. As is his effort defensively.

Except for I'm not trying to compare who is the better prospect I specifically stated that Jaylen is having the better season to date hands down.

You gotta be kidding me if you're willing to move Tatum for ONLY a top 5 player.

Top 5 yes I’d do that easy. Have to think about it if it’s for like number 10 and you have to talk me into it- I’d probably pass. 1-5, 6 or. 7 yes I do it.

Just for example, I'd trade either one of Tatum or Brown in a heartbeat for Klay Thompson but that's just me I'm pretty sure I have Klay rated higher than most here.

Bottomline as much as I love both JB and JT there are no guarantees they reach their ceiling so I would have no issue moving them for somebody that is already a proven star commodity.

[MagicBagley18]

Except for I'm not trying to compare who is the better prospect I specifically stated that Jaylen is having the better season to date hands down.

You gotta be kidding me if you're willing to move Tatum for ONLY a top 5 player.

Top 5 yes I’d do that easy. Have to think about it if it’s for like number 10 and you have to talk me into it- I’d probably pass. 1-5, 6 or. 7 yes I do it.

Just for example, I'd trade either one of Tatum or Brown in a heartbeat for Klay Thompson but that's just me I'm pretty sure I have Klay rated higher than most here.

Bottomline as much as I love both JB and JT there are no guarantees they reach their ceiling so I would have no issue moving them for somebody that is already a proven star commodity.

This is ironic, because my whole point the other day that I got killed for and not by you I guess- was that I would be open to trading brown for established talent. I got killed for that. Yet you seem to share that philosophy and realize it’s not blasphemy to suggest it.

[Marvel]

Another target i have interest in who could also be a low key project is Christian Wood. Dude's per 36 numbers are off the charts. Still young and has impressive physical gifts. Also known to step out and hit the 3.

[Gomes3PC]

I think the word is out on Wood; while I'd certainly make a call, I think Detroit knows they have a keeper there.