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Now let's see if he can knock Davison out of my avatar. Can Madar play for Boston in summer league, or did he already use up his allotment, if any?

He can play. There's no limit.

[Curmudgeon]

Madar can play Summer League, but will he? We haven't seen him for two years. Same question for Begarin.

[chakdaddy]

Binkies aren't truly binkies until a title has already been won. Bring em on!!

[Dogen]

Binkies aren't truly binkies until a title has already been won. Bring em on!!

[Gant]

Bayern Munich signs Yam Madar on a two-year deal

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1697081/bayern-munich-signs-yam-madar-on-a-two-year-deal/

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Madar can play Summer League, but will he? We haven't seen him for two years. Same question for Begarin.

I feel like the NBA has passed Madar by, but somehow I am still holding out hope for the French Tony Allen.

[24istheLAW]

Madar can play Summer League, but will he? We haven't seen him for two years. Same question for Begarin.

I feel like the NBA has passed Madar by, but somehow I am still holding out hope for the French Tony Allen.

Funny, I'm thinking the other way around.

I'm sure Madar will never be a player the Celtics regret not having. But I can see him getting a cup of coffee in the NBA, like 2 years with the Grizzlies or something in a Shane Larkin-type role before going back to EuroLeague. He seems like he can defend the point of attack aggressively for a little guard and he's been hitting his shots. Whether he sticks is another matter, but its not hard to see him getting a shot.

Begarin, on the other hand, I'm comfortable dismissing out of hand. He's no closer to the NBA than he was his first summer league. While Madar is moving up the ladder in Europe, Begarin's spinning his wheels being 2 years away from 2 years away...

[cl2117]

Madar can play Summer League, but will he? We haven't seen him for two years. Same question for Begarin.

I feel like the NBA has passed Madar by, but somehow I am still holding out hope for the French Tony Allen.

Funny, I'm thinking the other way around.

I'm sure Madar will never be a player the Celtics regret not having. But I can see him getting a cup of coffee in the NBA, like 2 years with the Grizzlies or something in a Shane Larkin-type role before going back to EuroLeague. He seems like he can defend the point of attack aggressively for a little guard and he's been hitting his shots. Whether he sticks is another matter, but its not hard to see him getting a shot.

Begarin, on the other hand, I'm comfortable dismissing out of hand. He's no closer to the NBA than he was his first summer league. While Madar is moving up the ladder in Europe, Begarin's spinning his wheels being 2 years away from 2 years away...

Yeah I think the door to the NBA for Madar is still open, but he's just going to have to go the long-route.

He's got the skillset to be a crafty 3rd string guard who can be a steady hand on the wheel for a team, but needs to keep maturing into that. He's one of those guys that I think with 3-5 more years of vet seasoning might have enough control of the game from the point that he can overcome his defensive limitations.

Point guards in particular I think have a better chance of making it to the NBA via the long-route. Half the teams in the league are usually looking for a cheap 3rd string guy who can just run the offense when they're really short-handed. The Euroleague offenses are much more half-court focused, so the guards really learn to see the floor well and initiate action/distribute the ball. It's a great training ground for a guy who might not have the physical profile you want but has the BBIQ to compensate.

Look at Micic who came over for OKC after 10 years of being in Europe or Brad Wannamaker who took 7 years of playing in Europe after getting drafted before he got an NBA contract. To be fair those guys ended up being the MVPs of their respective leagues, not sure Yam has that in his future, but still if he can lead good Euroleague teams as a starting PG he'll draw interest from NBA teams (if he's willing to take a paycut).

Begarin I agree has probably had the ship sail on his chances. He's still only 21, but as a D no 3 guy without truly elite athleticism it's hard to see how he'd make it out of Summer League on a roster without massive improvements in his game. I like these dart throws though. Just need one to hit and the dividends are immense.

[Hal14]

Honestly, didn't watch much Madar film this season. But just looking at the stats, he probably had the best season of his career this season.

-The 3 FG% continues to be very good. It's been right around 40% for 4 years now. And this is his 3rd season playing for a EuroLeague team.
-But this season his TS% was insanely high, especially for a small guard, 64.7
-The biggest thing that jumps off the stat sheet is his assist %. The 2 previous seasons it was 21.7, then 22.9 (both yrs with Partizan). But this season on Fenerbache, it jumped to 30.8. That's a very strong assist %, especially on such a low usage % of 17.9. That's a lower usage than either of the 2 previous seasons on Partizan. So clearly, his playmaking ability has improved, his playmaking is really good and he's also a low usage, non-ball dominant guy who can make quick decisions with the ball, not hold onto it, play 0.5 basketball

The combination of the 64.7% TS, the 30.8% assist on a 17.9% usage and 39.8% from 3. Plus this season he had 8.7% rebounding and 2.8% steals. Those are some really good numbers, while playing in the Turkish league (one of the top pro leagues in the world, might be right after Spain ACB when ranking the overseas domestic pro leagues) and also played in 30 EuroLeague games.

30 EuroLeague games, 19 Turkish league games and 3 SuperCup games. That's a *really* competitive schedule and yet he put up these really impressive numbers.

If Madar was a FA, he probably would be playing on someone's summer league team right now and competing for an NBA roster spot. Because if he was a FA, he would be free to sign with any of the 30 teams in the league. But since BOS has his draft rights, he is limited to only playing for Boston among NBA teams. But Boston has stacked, has tons of depth and talent. We don't need another PG on this team. And Madar is probably not going to want to come to the NBA unless he has a real chance at getting some rotation mins. Which won't happen in BOS anytime soon, probably.

So it is kind of a bummer that BOS drafted him. I bet he wishes he was a FA so he could be free to explore options with all 30 teams and see which team would actually give him a chance to earn some real playing time.

But as CL2117 mentioned, with guys like Micic, Wanamaker and a few others, a bunch of oversees players have come over to the NBA between like age 25-29 in recent yrs. So perhaps Yam realizes that, keeps his head up, keeps working. And within the next year or 2, if he keeps playing well, improving and putting up numbers vs top European competition, I think eventually it will get to the point where either a) BOS does have a need at PG (perhaps as Jrue ages and if we trade Pritchard..) so they bring him over or b) Madar is playing so well that he really wants a chance in the NBA so he asks BOS to either trade him or relinquish his draft rights

Not sure if it will get to that point..but if it does, think option B is more likely to happen. Danny drafted Yam..it was his last draft pick in Boston..Utah is a young, rebuilding team that could use another PG..maybe he trades for Yam's rights, maybe like next summer? Idk..

Lastly, I do think that if most other teams in the NBA right now had Yam's draft rights, they would probably have him on their SL team right now and he'd be competing for a roster spot. But it's a testament to how good and how deep this Celtics team is that we're not even considering him for the upcoming season and don't even have him on the SL team.

Like, if Denver had Yam's rights? They could use a solid backup for Murray. And I could see Yam and Jokic playing off each other really well on offense. And Yam would get so many open 3's too..

[Curmudgeon]

I view it the other way. Begarin has an NBA body. Madar doesn't.
Begarin also has a good understanding of the game; his father is a coach and his brother was also a pro. He's a better player than Walsh (just to name one). Let's see how Begarin does in Euroleague this year.

[Celts17Pride]

Yam (Doesn't) Madar

[Celts17Pride]

I view it the other way. Begarin has an NBA body. Madar doesn't.
Begarin also has a good understanding of the game; his father is a coach and his brother was also a pro. He's a better player than Walsh (just to name one). Let's see how Begarin does in Euroleague this year.

The problem with Begarin is if you gave him a basketball and put him 6 feet in front of a barn and told him to throw it and hit the barn, he would miss it by 3 feet.

[brackdan70]

I view it the other way. Begarin has an NBA body. Madar doesn't.
Begarin also has a good understanding of the game; his father is a coach and his brother was also a pro. He's a better player than Walsh (just to name one). Let's see how Begarin does in Euroleague this year.

The problem with Begarin is if you gave him a basketball and put him 6 feet in front of a barn and told him to throw it and hit the barn, he would miss it by 3 feet.

You’d think you could correct for that kind like I do with my slice.

[Curmudgeon]

The problem with Begarin is if you gave him a basketball and put him 6 feet in front of a barn and told him to throw it and hit the barn, he would miss it by 3 feet.

Walsh wouldn't do much better.

[Homerclease]

Yam (Doesn't) Madar

I was told he’s a better prospect than Chet Holmgren

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Madar can play Summer League, but will he? We haven't seen him for two years. Same question for Begarin.

I feel like the NBA has passed Madar by, but somehow I am still holding out hope for the French Tony Allen.

Funny, I'm thinking the other way around.

I'm sure Madar will never be a player the Celtics regret not having. But I can see him getting a cup of coffee in the NBA, like 2 years with the Grizzlies or something in a Shane Larkin-type role before going back to EuroLeague. He seems like he can defend the point of attack aggressively for a little guard and he's been hitting his shots. Whether he sticks is another matter, but its not hard to see him getting a shot.

Begarin, on the other hand, I'm comfortable dismissing out of hand. He's no closer to the NBA than he was his first summer league. While Madar is moving up the ladder in Europe, Begarin's spinning his wheels being 2 years away from 2 years away...

I'm going in part on age: Begarin is still 21, whereas Madar is 24. And of course Begarin has more of an NBA body.

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Looks like Yammy will be playing with Carsen Edwards and Devin Booker this year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Bayern_Munich_(basketball)

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Does anyone know if the 2nd round pick exception in the new CBA can be used on players like Yam Madar who were drafted in 2020?

At some point we’re going to drop under the tax to get out of the repeater penalties, so being able to take a flier on Yam, try him on a roster contract at $1.1 or $1.8 million might be worthwhile in the next couple of off-seasons if Payton and/or Jrue are traded for cost savings.

If he can’t play NBA minutes, he can’t play NBA minutes but his salary guarantee would be so low, it makes it interesting if wants to try for an NBA career. I’ve only looked at his bballref page and YouTube highlights, but why can’t he possibly be Jose Alvarado?

So I’m not giving up on Yam. He’s really been shooting it, last couple years, as Hal pointed out above. If the 2nd rnd pick exemption applies to players whose rights are owned, it’d be such a low risk idea from a financial perspective, if we want to keep the core but also duck the tax.

[Hal14]

The 2nd round pick exception was implemented after Madar was drafted. But since he has been stashed the whole time, I suppose it's possible that we could maybe use it on him..I'm not sure, I don't have a definite answer but my guess is that we wouldn't be able to use it on guys who got drafted after the rule was put in place.

I also don't think he is ready for the NBA yet. And we have so much depth, it'd be hard for him to ever crack the rotation here.

Not sure if he's injured right now, but if he is healthy then he was a healthy DNP in his team's first game the other day (perhaps not getting mins, on the depth chart behind Shabaz Napier and Carsen Edwards..)

I'm not giving up on him either, but it's not looking good in terms of the chances he plays for Boston.