Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[Ernest]

You guys still want to fire him?

[Ernest]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

[Spin Move]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

I mean look at our playoff record since Tatum joined the team, I don't think winning culture is an issue, but that is why he brought in a Tristan Thompson who has championship experience. If Tatum and Brown leave,yea, but who has left, Horford, who were rigthly did not want to pay, Kyrie who was not in his right mind at the time (though I do blame Ainge for not trading Morris or Rozier durring the season, creating a bad atmosphere on the team that year with too many players wanting shots.) and Hayward who is hurt again when his team needs him which always seems to happen.

We have ALOT of talent, Tatum is taking the superstar leap, Brown is a legit all star. Fournier, Smart, Williams are all plus starting level players. Thompson and Pritchard are good backups, Kemba is the key. If Kemba had not gotten hurt last year no one would be making threads like this, and low and behlod is he starting to look more like his old self.

We have had more missed games to covid then any other team, every one of our starters has missed time due to injuries. We are still looking at having a home playoff series despite having an incredibly short offseason where other good teams like the heat and Raptors are struggleing at least as much as us.

Is Danny Perfect, no, he should have gotten some draft capital in the Thies trade, but after adding Fournier and signing parker (who each fill the GH and Kanter roles) I think we are a more dangerous playoff team then we were last yea given the improvement of Tatum Brown and Williams. I think Given the hands we were dealt you can't ask for a ton more. Brooklyn got the once in a decade bunch of mature superstars get together thing, I think they win this year, but as an older team with some MAJOR egos once they win one, they might be done. We are in a great position for after that. Brown and Tatum will be entering their primes and if we re-sign Fourneir and extend smart we will have some decent pieces to package to get a third star. I think reality has set in, we had some bad luck this season, but the team has grown from it. I think we have a great shot to make a run at the conference finals again. A healthy brooklyn is just better, but we can go toe to toe with anyone else in the east.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

I mean look at our playoff record since Tatum joined the team, I don't think winning culture is an issue, but that is why he brought in a Tristan Thompson who has championship experience. If Tatum and Brown leave,yea, but who has left, Horford, who were rigthly did not want to pay, Kyrie who was not in his right mind at the time (though I do blame Ainge for not trading Morris or Rozier durring the season, creating a bad atmosphere on the team that year with too many players wanting shots.) and Hayward who is hurt again when his team needs him which always seems to happen.

We have ALOT of talent, Tatum is taking the superstar leap, Brown is a legit all star. Fournier, Smart, Williams are all plus starting level players. Thompson and Pritchard are good backups, Kemba is the key. If Kemba had not gotten hurt last year no one would be making threads like this, and low and behlod is he starting to look more like his old self.

We have had more missed games to covid then any other team, every one of our starters has missed time due to injuries. We are still looking at having a home playoff series despite having an incredibly short offseason where other good teams like the heat and Raptors are struggleing at least as much as us.

Is Danny Perfect, no, he should have gotten some draft capital in the Thies trade, but after adding Fournier and signing parker (who each fill the GH and Kanter roles) I think we are a more dangerous playoff team then we were last yea given the improvement of Tatum Brown and Williams. I think Given the hands we were dealt you can't ask for a ton more. Brooklyn got the once in a decade bunch of mature superstars get together thing, I think they win this year, but as an older team with some MAJOR egos once they win one, they might be done. We are in a great position for after that. Brown and Tatum will be entering their primes and if we re-sign Fourneir and extend smart we will have some decent pieces to package to get a third star. I think reality has set in, we had some bad luck this season, but the team has grown from it. I think we have a great shot to make a run at the conference finals again. A healthy brooklyn is just better, but we can go toe to toe with anyone else in the east.

I completely agree, awesome take spin. Nice to see you around as well.

[Fencer reregistered]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

He did at least come close. Very close. A lead midway through Q4 of the 7th game of the ECF in a season when you've had horrible injury luck is a close miss indeed.

[sam_I_am]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

He did at least come close. Very close. A lead midway through Q4 of the 7th game of the ECF in a season when you've had horrible injury luck is a close miss indeed.

This past summer we were favorites to go to the finals until yet another Hayward injury derailed our run. Miami got hot and had some young studs emerge but if we had the Hayward we were seeing before the ankle sprain, I think we would have lost to Lakers in finals. To do that in the year that you lost 4 quality NBA starters - Irving, Horford, Morris and Rozier - is pretty undeniably excellent.

[31to6]

Maybe this is the year Danny break out his cage and GET THIS

[Ernest]

Guess we have to wait for a loss to get anyone to admit they still want to fire the guy who drafted Tatum Brown and Smart.

If everyone has changed their minds I guess we can just lock this thread?

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

He did at least come close. Very close. A lead midway through Q4 of the 7th game of the ECF in a season when you've had horrible injury luck is a close miss indeed.

Also no one bats 1000. 13 years from our last finals appearance. There are 30 teams in the league and only 2 make the finals. I'm not mathamagician... Also, we had a complete rebuild in that span. What GMs are out there blowing up an aging championship team and then rebuilding a completely new one in a few years?

The standards so of you guys hold Ainge up to are just unreal. I don't watch American football but I can't help but wonder if the Pats just winning title after title has warped expectations around here.

[Fencer reregistered]

Drafting a player is one thing, building a winning culture and coaching staff to lead the draftees and signings is the real meat of the job. Unfortunately Danny hasn't been able to secure a finals birth in 13 years. If we fail to retain Tatum and brown, on top of all the players we've lost in free agency (due to poor management and coaching) it really sort of can only be blamed on one dude.

He did at least come close. Very close. A lead midway through Q4 of the 7th game of the ECF in a season when you've had horrible injury luck is a close miss indeed.

Also no one bats 1000. 13 years from our last finals appearance. There are 30 teams in the league and only 2 make the finals. I'm not mathamagician... Also, we had a complete rebuild in that span. What GMs are out there blowing up an aging championship team and then rebuilding a completely new one in a few years?

The standards so of you guys hold Ainge up to are just unreal. I don't watch American football but I can't help but wonder if the Pats just winning title after title has warped expectations around here.

The Celtics of the past may have warped expectations of the Celtics.

[JediMasterRevan]

Danny:
Lost hayward for nothing
Lost horford for nothing
Lost irving for nothing
Signed kemba
Kept semi, grant and edwards
Let kanter go
Signed teague
Drafts undersized players


Alot of gaffes in past few years

[jmr07019]

Danny:
Lost hayward for nothing
Lost horford for nothing
Lost irving for nothing
Signed kemba
Kept semi, grant and edwards
Let kanter go
Signed teague
Drafts undersized players


Alot of gaffes in past few years

We didn’t lose Hayward for nothing.
Inked Brown to an under market deal.
Signed Tatum to a long term deal.
Drafted a starting center in the 20s
Got a steal in Pritchard in the 20s
Losing Kanter is insignificant
Signing Teague is insignificant
Lots of wins in both the regular season and post season

[Ernest]

These guys we "lost for nothing" we also got for nothing because they wanted to come here. For everyone we drafted that didn't work out you have to remember Tatum and Brown were not the locks at where they were picked. I'm too lazy to go look it up, but I'd imagine a lot of the same people calling for Ainge to be fired now were hating the Tatum and Brown picks at the time, wanting someone much worse and calling for him to be fired back then too.

[zoyathedestroya]

Not trolling, but just curious... if the Celtics were playing in the Western Conference, would Ainge still have a job?

I guess the inverse of that question is... if the Celtics were based in Florida or California, could they attract the bigger names and would have they won another title by now?

[BostonCouchGM]

I'll never understand why a guy who has brought only one championship to Boston in his 18 years as G.M., one he owed to McHale for gifting him MVP candidate KG, has so many apologists. During his entire run, the Eastern Conference has been a joke too. He's definitively squandered the great trades he made with the Nets and Sixers. The problem is, nobody will deal with him now and there's no path to us winning a championship any time soon. Therefore, he's going to waste years of Tatum and Brown's primes. There's no war chest for the first time in 8 years. We are what we are and it's not good enough. I remember after the abysmal 2016 draft I promised we wouldn't win over the next 5 years as a result of that draft. Spot on. Same can be said after the equally disastrous 2019 draft. You simply cannot waste multiple opportunities to add premium talent through the draft like Danny has and expect to win championships. Panicking and trading for Kyrie and then signing Kemba just exacerbates the problem. But yay!! We beat average teams in the regular season!

[bbd24]

Not trolling, but just curious... if the Celtics were playing in the Western Conference, would Ainge still have a job?

I guess the inverse of that question is... if the Celtics were based in Florida or California, could they attract the bigger names and would have they won another title by now?

He’d have a job and probably some ownership stakes in some franchises. Shoot, he’d have a job just for drafting Tatum.

Fortunately, not only did he hit on Tatum, but he drafted Brown, Smart, Both Williams, Langford, and Pritchard. Those draft picks beat 3/4’s the teams in the west and the east by themselves.

Heckuva young roster, all built by Ainge. Even the haters have to give him his due.

[bbd24]

I'll never understand why a guy who has brought only one championship to Boston in his 18 years as G.M., one he owed to McHale for gifting him MVP candidate KG, has so many apologists. During his entire run, the Eastern Conference has been a joke too. He's definitively squandered the great trades he made with the Nets and Sixers. The problem is, nobody will deal with him now and there's no path to us winning a championship any time soon. Therefore, he's going to waste years of Tatum and Brown's primes. There's no war chest for the first time in 8 years. We are what we are and it's not good enough. I remember after the abysmal 2016 draft I promised we wouldn't win over the next 5 years as a result of that draft. Spot on. Same can be said after the equally disastrous 2019 draft. You simply cannot waste multiple opportunities to add premium talent through the draft like Danny has and expect to win championships. Panicking and trading for Kyrie and then signing Kemba just exacerbates the problem. But yay!! We beat average teams in the regular season!

You’re playing for the conference championship year in and year out...with one of the youngest rosters in the league. What are you crying about ?

[Spin Move]

I'll never understand why a guy who has brought only one championship to Boston in his 18 years as G.M., one he owed to McHale for gifting him MVP candidate KG, has so many apologists. During his entire run, the Eastern Conference has been a joke too. He's definitively squandered the great trades he made with the Nets and Sixers. The problem is, nobody will deal with him now and there's no path to us winning a championship any time soon. Therefore, he's going to waste years of Tatum and Brown's primes. There's no war chest for the first time in 8 years. We are what we are and it's not good enough. I remember after the abysmal 2016 draft I promised we wouldn't win over the next 5 years as a result of that draft. Spot on. Same can be said after the equally disastrous 2019 draft. You simply cannot waste multiple opportunities to add premium talent through the draft like Danny has and expect to win championships. Panicking and trading for Kyrie and then signing Kemba just exacerbates the problem. But yay!! We beat average teams in the regular season!

Because if not for injury we would have had at least 2 tittles, but KG and perks injuries derailed 2 seasons of a championship level team, getting back to the playoffs and winning in the playoffs after such a short period of being bad, stealing IT. Drafting guys like Rondo, Avery Bradley, Smart, Jaylen, Jason, Time Lord, all who panned out better then expected at their spot pulling guys like Thies out fo thin air. Keeping a competive team despite getting dealt horrible cards like GH's injury, Kyries mental issues and the 76er's making the dumb choice to overpay Hayword(which they later paid to get out of).

The kyrie trade was a coup, if GH doesn't get hurt who knows what happens with Kyrie, we had some bad luck, still with all the bad luck and injuries we have had we have won at least 1 playoff series each of the last 4 years despite having one of the youngest rosters in the NBA.

Not panicking and trading assets like Brown and R Williams when they were undervalued. There are plenty of teams willing do deal with him, look at the trades he literally just made. Does he have a repuation for winning trades that makes other GM's a bit weary, yes, but that is because he won trades. He is a top 5 gm. He has made many mistakes but he has had alot more hits then misses. Both the Kyrie and Kemba moves were widely lauded at the time, things don't always work out to plan but that does not mean it was not a good plan, Kemba has looked more and more himself receently and if he gets to 90% only the nets are better then us in the east at this point and they may have thier own health issues come playoff time. We have similer talent level to the teams ahead of us in the standings we have just not been healthy most of the year. We are finally getting things going despite still missing signifigent peices, but we are hitting our stride at the right time. The war chest is the team, Time Lord/Smart/a re-signed fournier are all tradable assets that can be packaged with picks Be paitent Tatum just turned 23, Jorden didn't win his first title till 28, the prime is not yet. be patient, 2 of the 3 biggest pieces are in place, we have to hope the right opportunity comes for a third. We are way ahead of schedule, not behind.

[Celts17Pride]

I'll never understand why a guy who has brought only one championship to Boston in his 18 years as G.M., one he owed to McHale for gifting him MVP candidate KG, has so many apologists. During his entire run, the Eastern Conference has been a joke too. He's definitively squandered the great trades he made with the Nets and Sixers. The problem is, nobody will deal with him now and there's no path to us winning a championship any time soon. Therefore, he's going to waste years of Tatum and Brown's primes. There's no war chest for the first time in 8 years. We are what we are and it's not good enough. I remember after the abysmal 2016 draft I promised we wouldn't win over the next 5 years as a result of that draft. Spot on. Same can be said after the equally disastrous 2019 draft. You simply cannot waste multiple opportunities to add premium talent through the draft like Danny has and expect to win championships. Panicking and trading for Kyrie and then signing Kemba just exacerbates the problem. But yay!! We beat average teams in the regular season!

Do you ever get tired of giving bad takes?

[Ernest]

I'll never understand why a guy who has brought only one championship to Boston in his 18 years as G.M., one he owed to McHale for gifting him MVP candidate KG, has so many apologists. During his entire run, the Eastern Conference has been a joke too. He's definitively squandered the great trades he made with the Nets and Sixers. The problem is, nobody will deal with him now and there's no path to us winning a championship any time soon. Therefore, he's going to waste years of Tatum and Brown's primes. There's no war chest for the first time in 8 years. We are what we are and it's not good enough. I remember after the abysmal 2016 draft I promised we wouldn't win over the next 5 years as a result of that draft. Spot on. Same can be said after the equally disastrous 2019 draft. You simply cannot waste multiple opportunities to add premium talent through the draft like Danny has and expect to win championships. Panicking and trading for Kyrie and then signing Kemba just exacerbates the problem. But yay!! We beat average teams in the regular season!

Do you ever get tired of giving bad takes?

To be fair, it's really just one bad take. Over and over again.