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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#721 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:41 am

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Curmudgeon wrote:Roko's bust potential is too high for me. I prefer Garuba or Sengun, both of whom have NBA bodies already.


Roko's body is pretty solid for 18/19 year old. Not sure what he has as a bust more than any other player. What player picked in the mid-late first RD doesn't have bust potential?

I am not high on Sengun because I think he will be "hunted" on switches by other teams. He looks like a more skillful Kanter to me, and that is not an insult. Just hard for me to justify a center who is neither a rim protector or switchable IMO.

Yeah, Roko's frame is pretty solid for a 18 year old kid. 6'9" with a 7'0" wing span and 220 lbs. if he can bulk up a little and get to 230 lbs that'd be great but I'm more worried about him getting quicker laterally to stay in front of quicker guards/wings when he's switched onto them defensively.

Garuba and Sengun might have more of a filled out frame, but neither of them can shoot, drive, handle the basketball and pass it like Roko can.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#722 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:20 am

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Another guy I would consider taking at 16. Most mock drafts have Roko around late 1st round, early 2nd rounder but I feel he will move up.

I like he way he can create is own shot, love that we has a high release on his shot and can create separation. He is also explosive and has a good feel for the game at only 18. He also has good passing skills.


I like Roko, statistically passable, scouting reports I've seen point out no real red flags, one of the youngest players in the draft. Amongst Adriatic League players with more than 500 minutes played this season, he ranked fourth in rebounds per 36, which is key IMO.

I've seen him referred to as a "below the rim player," and playing in the Adriatic league limitations might not be exposed. That video helps sell me though. He looks fluid and capable.

Yeah, plenty of above the rim dunking by Roko in this video too. The very first play of the video might be my favorite. Nice little shake and bake move with the dribble he makes in transition at around half court to get by a defender who was busting his a%% to try and steal it from Roko - he finishes off the play by taking it all the way to the rim for an and-1. Not many guys 6'9" or bigger who could make that play - Lebron, Durant, not many others..

Later in the vid he grabs a board and makes an amazing pass, throwing it the length of the court, right on the money, hitting a teammate in stride for an easy layup. Crazy how quick he made that read too - like literally as soon as he grabbed that rebound he somehow already knew that he had an open teammate racing down the court and he immediately turned and threw that laser of a pass down court so quickly - that type of pass I've seen Bird and Stockton make, that might be it.



In the comments section of that video, some guy says this:

"The only players I'm drafting before him are Cade Cunningham and Jalen Green. If you want to know what would happen if you mixed Dirk Nowitzki with Nikola Jokic and then add full court passing awareness and full court mobility (and a step up athletically from Dirk and Nikola) then watch this 18 year old's career as he progresses.

NBA execs don't be stupid and let the Mavericks pair this guy up with Luka. The Mavs might not even have to trade Porzingis to get back in the 1st round either but they shouldn't hesitate to do so if they have to.

I'm a Cavs fan and I'm gladly trading down if Jalen Green is gone and I will take a 1st round pick next year and maybe more plus take this guy. If I draft Jalen Green I'm trading Colin Sexton, his upcoming max contract demand and his 24 pts a game that doesn't lift me out of the lottery anyway and I'll pick up Roko and Green and I'll have the biggest smile afterwards.

search youtube with the words "Roko Prkacin vs Team USA" (I'm not sure if it is allowed to paste the link) You will see him on the court with several players mocked to be drafted ahead of him, including Green, Mobley, Scottie Barnes etc. Team USA kick Roko's team's butt however you will see why I have no problem placing Roko as highly on the board as I have.

He already has every skill because he was taught the right way. He just has to adjust for the speed of the NBA and of course continue to improve because he is only 18...Just about every guy ahead of him in mock has a considerable hole in their game fundamentally speaking. That says to me they are projects in one way or another. This guy is a dog with no holes in his game.....just needs seasoning that comes with time and experience and he has things that really can't be taught. But yes I think he's MVP/1st team all NBA material."

I think that Youtube commenter might be overselling Roko, but I do like him..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#723 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:59 am

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return2glory wrote:I'm hoping at least one of Jalen Johnson, Kai Jones and/or Ziaire Williams is still there at 16.


that is so close if not dead on my top 3 right now. As I have already declared Z Williams "Tatum Lite"

One year of heavy training, Tatum and/or Giannis style in the weight room and Bam! another star. How many draft picks have that true "star" potential.

Ziaire and BJ Boston are very similar. Both were top 10 recruits coming out of high school. Both had somewhat disappointing freshman seasons compared to what the expectations were for them. Both had poor FG and 3 point shooting percentages but both have really smooth/fluid shooting form and releases combined with really high FT% which leads you to believe that both will improve their FG and 3 point percentages, especially since they're only 19 so still lots of time to develop.

Both have insane/freakish athleticism and really good length and ability to make highlight reel dunks and highlight reel shots off the dribble. Ziaire is 1 inch taller at 6'8", but he has a 6'10.5" wingspan compared to a 6'11" wingspan for Boston. Also, they're both 185 lbs. Both obviously need to bulk up and add strength but I'm more worried about Ziaire having to bulk up because a) he's 6'8", 185 compared to Boston who's 6'7", 185 lbs which means Ziaire is a little more frail and b) Boston plays bigger - he is better at going down low, getting his nose dirty in the paint and grabbing offense boards as well as better at finishing strong through contact - even scoring at the rim over bigger defenders.

Ziaire shot 29% from 3. Boston shot 30% from 3, so basically the same but Boston shot 33.7% from 3 after December 1 - and his form/stroke nice really nice from 3. Ziaire has a nice stroke in the mid-range area but he seems to struggle from 3 moreso than Boston.

Defensively they're both solid, but Boston seems a little better at a) jumping the passing lanes for steals when defending perimeter and b) blocking shots from the weak side whereas Ziare seems a little better defending on the ball so I'd give a slight edge on D tio Boston.

Boston has slightly longer wingspan and seems a tad quicker. Both have those long strides which allows them to cover more ground with less effort, especially when driving to the rim.

Both show good flashes as a play maker.

Boston, I see a little more of that "it" factor, like I could seriously see him turning into a star in this league. Ziaire I can see it too, but not as much - and with Ziaire I feel like his success in the NBA is more dependent on being able to add strength/bulk up - Boston could certainly stand to hit the weight room as well but the lack of strength doesn't seem to be as much of a hindrance to him.

Overall, I'd rank Boston slightly higher. I think Boston could end up being better than both Nesmith and Langford - and Boston is taller/longer than both of them. Just not sure if it's a good idea for us to draft him or Ziaire, given that we already do have Langford and Nesmith on the team and just drafted them with our last 2 lottery picks.

Also, when looking at the 3 point percentages of Boston and Ziare being low, keep in mind Nesmith only shot 33.7% from 3 his freshman year (same thing Boston shot after December 1) . Nesmith also averaged just 11 PPG his freshman year, same thing Boston and Ziaire averaged this season, while playing in a tougher conference than Nesmith played in. Nesmith improved a lot from freshman year to sophomore year - Ziaire and Boston could see similar development next season.

Both Ziaire and Boston look like they could use another year in college to develop their game and develop their physique. 16 might be a reach for either. Somewhere late in the 1st round I would take them for sure..

Then you have Malcolm Cazalon. Similar measurements to Boston and Ziare. Cazalon is 6'6", 186 lbs so not quite as frail as Boston and Ziaire but also not as tall. Cazalon does have a 6'11" wingspan so similar to Boston and Ziaire in terms of length. Cazalon is atheltic but definitely not as freakishly athletic as Boston and Ziaire. All 3 of these guys are 19 years old. Cazalon however is by far the best shooter of the 3. Cazalon is shooting 41% from 3 this season, so MUCH higher than Boston or Ziaire. And Cazalon did that facing tougher competition professionally in europe. Cazalon is a lefty with a beautiful shooting stroke, smooth as butter. He seems very poised out there for a 19 year old.

Defensively, Cazalon looks average. He's scrappy and he'll battle you. But seems like at times he gets beat off the dribble when defending quicker guards/wings and but does do a decent job holding his own when he switches onto bigger guys who try scoring on him down low.

Cazalon appears to be slightly better defensively than Kispert and both of them are 2 of the better shooters in the draft at over 40% from 3 but Cazalon did it vs tougher competition, without a top 3 pick in the draft feeding him the ball (Jalen suggs feeding ball to kispert) and Cazalon is 3 years younger. I'm not sure where I'd rank Cazalon in relation to Boston and Ziaire (Cazalon is more udner the radar so there's not as much footage on him on youtube) but I would definitely rank Cazalon over Kispert.


I think the biggest difference in my eyes and perhaps why most "scouts" have Zaire over Boston is Ziaire has better creativity and "smoothness". But I get the similarities.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#724 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:09 am

Using Phoenix as an example. They have a top 5? defense I think. Ayton as good Rim Protector, Jae Crowder at 6'6? and M Bridges at 6'7 with Booker and CP3.

There is NO REASON why Boston with with RW at center, Tatum and Brown at forwards and Nesmith and Smart at guards couldn't/shouldn't be as formidable.

BUILD a TEAM WITH AN IDENTITY. that INDENTITY should be SWITCH-ABILITY.

Draft a 3, 3-4 combo or a 4-5 man.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#725 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:23 am

playa-hater wrote:Using Phoenix as an example. They have a top 5? defense I think. Ayton as good Rim Protector, Jae Crowder at 6'6? and M Bridges at 6'7 with Booker and CP3.

There is NO REASON why Boston with with RW at center, Tatum and Brown at forwards and Nesmith and Smart at guards couldn't/shouldn't be as formidable.

BUILD a TEAM WITH AN IDENTITY. that INDENTITY should be SWITCH-ABILITY.

Draft a 3, 3-4 combo or a 4-5 man.

This guy might be the most versatile defender in the draft, right there with Garuba, Kai Jones and Jalen Johnson. Only shot 44% from FG and 30% from 3, but how many freshman were above average 3 point shooters this year? Springer...is that it? Ok, how many freshman non-guards were above average 3 point shooters this year? I don't know if any were. Jalen Johnson, but he had a really small sample size. Kai Jones shot 38% this year from 3 as a sophomore, but last year as a freshman he shot jus 29%. Thor has a really smooth/fluid stroke from 3, he could be a really nice stretch 4 and with. the way he wreaks havoc on D (both with perimeter D as well as rim protector inside), him and Time Lord could be a really good duo, especially with their length and athleticism.

This video says Thor has a 7'1" wingspan, but I've seen 2 sites which say his wingspan is actually 7'3



I think Thor is going to shoot up draft boards as we get closer to the draft..but definitely has some stuff to work on as the video points out (the shot needs work, with how he brings the ball down to his hip before going up with it, and also makes some really bad turnovers..again, similar to Ziare and Boston, all 3 of these guys are crazy athletic with high upside but they're only freshman and seems like they made lots of freshman mistakes and were inconsistent. I think all 3 of them could benefit from another year in college and then they'd be sure-fire lottery picks..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#726 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:30 am

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playa-hater wrote:Using Phoenix as an example. They have a top 5? defense I think. Ayton as good Rim Protector, Jae Crowder at 6'6? and M Bridges at 6'7 with Booker and CP3.

There is NO REASON why Boston with with RW at center, Tatum and Brown at forwards and Nesmith and Smart at guards couldn't/shouldn't be as formidable.

BUILD a TEAM WITH AN IDENTITY. that INDENTITY should be SWITCH-ABILITY.

Draft a 3, 3-4 combo or a 4-5 man.

This guy might be the most versatile defender in the draft, right there with Garuba, Kai Jones and Jalen Johnson. Only shot 44% from FG and 30% from 3, but how many freshman were above average 3 point shooters this year? Springer...is that it? Ok, how many freshman non-guards were above average 3 point shooters this year? I don't know if any were. Jalen Johnson, but he had a really small sample size. Kai Jones shot 38% this year from 3 as a sophomore, but last year as a freshman he shot jus 29%. Thor has a really smooth/fluid stroke from 3, he could be a really nice stretch 4 and with. the way he wreaks havoc on D (both with perimeter D as well as rim protector inside), him and Time Lord could be a really good duo, especially with their length and athleticism.

This video says Thor has a 7'1" wingspan, but I've seen 2 sites which say his wingspan is actually 7'3



I think Thor is going to shoot up draft boards as we get closer to the draft..


"the most versatile defender" is a "BIG Statement" Haven't looked close enough yet. but that statement does peak my interest.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#727 » by 31to6 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:51 am

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Another guy I would consider taking at 16. Most mock drafts have Roko around late 1st round, early 2nd rounder but I feel he will move up.

I like the way he can create is own shot, love that we has a high release on his shot and can create separation. He is also explosive and has a good feel for the game at only 18. Good passing skills as well.


Yup, I’m finally adding Roko to the list of Guys I Officially Want. Kai Jones, Sengun, Garuba, Jalen Johnson, I. Jackson, I. Todd, Queta, Roko, Giddey (only non-big allowed), Robinson-Earle, Bassey. Take out Giddey and that’s 10 bigs, mission accomplished, and I’d probably like any other bugs as well (eg Sharpe and I can’t remember who else). Go big, Brad! Do it!

FYI Roko two years ago against top USA teen competition (my VERY lazy comparison is “looks like a Saric-level player”): ;feature=emb_rel_end
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#728 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:01 am

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Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Using Phoenix as an example. They have a top 5? defense I think. Ayton as good Rim Protector, Jae Crowder at 6'6? and M Bridges at 6'7 with Booker and CP3.

There is NO REASON why Boston with with RW at center, Tatum and Brown at forwards and Nesmith and Smart at guards couldn't/shouldn't be as formidable.

BUILD a TEAM WITH AN IDENTITY. that INDENTITY should be SWITCH-ABILITY.

Draft a 3, 3-4 combo or a 4-5 man.

This guy might be the most versatile defender in the draft, right there with Garuba, Kai Jones and Jalen Johnson. Only shot 44% from FG and 30% from 3, but how many freshman were above average 3 point shooters this year? Springer...is that it? Ok, how many freshman non-guards were above average 3 point shooters this year? I don't know if any were. Jalen Johnson, but he had a really small sample size. Kai Jones shot 38% this year from 3 as a sophomore, but last year as a freshman he shot jus 29%. Thor has a really smooth/fluid stroke from 3, he could be a really nice stretch 4 and with. the way he wreaks havoc on D (both with perimeter D as well as rim protector inside), him and Time Lord could be a really good duo, especially with their length and athleticism.

This video says Thor has a 7'1" wingspan, but I've seen 2 sites which say his wingspan is actually 7'3



I think Thor is going to shoot up draft boards as we get closer to the draft..


"the most versatile defender" is a "BIG Statement" Haven't looked close enough yet. but that statement does peak my interest.


Since I am a "Sunday Night Scout" I couldn't wait to look up the mighty Thor. High upside for sure. Looks like the lefty version of Kai, or another taller longer skinnier Lamar Odom. But skinnier. For a skinny 6'10 kid he moves very well. his shooting has a low release point, but not enough to bother me. Pretty deceptive first step. I can imagine using him more as a spread it out 5 man on offense. Do wonder how well he can bang for rebounds down low. a first rd talent for sure.

Flip side is this draft has about 40 1st rd talents with only room for 30. I'll let this one marinate a bit before I figure out how high I like him.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#729 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:06 am

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Another guy I would consider taking at 16. Most mock drafts have Roko around late 1st round, early 2nd rounder but I feel he will move up.

I like the way he can create is own shot, love that we has a high release on his shot and can create separation. He is also explosive and has a good feel for the game at only 18. Good passing skills as well.


Yup, I’m finally adding Roko to the list of Guys I Officially Want. Kai Jones, Sengun, Garuba, Jalen Johnson, I. Jackson, I. Todd, Queta, Roko, Giddey (only non-big allowed), Robinson-Earle, Bassey. Take out Giddey and that’s 10 bigs, mission accomplished, and I’d probably like any other bugs as well (eg Sharpe and I can’t remember who else). Go big, Brad! Do it!

FYI Roko two years ago against top USA teen competition (my VERY lazy comparison is [b]“looks like a Saric-level player”): [/b];feature=emb_rel_end


Biggest difference I see with Saric is how well he can "elongate" himself on Drives to the rim. that and he is a bit better a play-maker I think.
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Post#730 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:08 am

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Another guy I would consider taking at 16. Most mock drafts have Roko around late 1st round, early 2nd rounder but I feel he will move up.

I like the way he can create is own shot, love that we has a high release on his shot and can create separation. He is also explosive and has a good feel for the game at only 18. Good passing skills as well.


Yup, I’m finally adding Roko to the list of Guys I Officially Want. Kai Jones, Sengun, Garuba, Jalen Johnson, I. Jackson, I. Todd, Queta, Roko, Giddey (only non-big allowed), Robinson-Earle, Bassey. Take out Giddey and that’s 10 bigs, mission accomplished, and I’d probably like any other bugs as well (eg Sharpe and I can’t remember who else). Go big, Brad! Do it!

FYI Roko two years ago against top USA teen competition (my VERY lazy comparison is “looks like a Saric-level player”): ;feature=emb_rel_end


*also when you are ready, I'd like to hear your top 3 or 5 players for 16..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#731 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:47 am

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Hal14 wrote:This guy might be the most versatile defender in the draft, right there with Garuba, Kai Jones and Jalen Johnson. Only shot 44% from FG and 30% from 3, but how many freshman were above average 3 point shooters this year? Springer...is that it? Ok, how many freshman non-guards were above average 3 point shooters this year? I don't know if any were. Jalen Johnson, but he had a really small sample size. Kai Jones shot 38% this year from 3 as a sophomore, but last year as a freshman he shot jus 29%. Thor has a really smooth/fluid stroke from 3, he could be a really nice stretch 4 and with. the way he wreaks havoc on D (both with perimeter D as well as rim protector inside), him and Time Lord could be a really good duo, especially with their length and athleticism.

This video says Thor has a 7'1" wingspan, but I've seen 2 sites which say his wingspan is actually 7'3



I think Thor is going to shoot up draft boards as we get closer to the draft..


"the most versatile defender" is a "BIG Statement" Haven't looked close enough yet. but that statement does peak my interest.


Since I am a "Sunday Night Scout" I couldn't wait to look up the mighty Thor. High upside for sure. Looks like the lefty version of Kai, or another taller longer skinnier Lamar Odom. But skinnier. For a skinny 6'10 kid he moves very well. his shooting has a low release point, but not enough to bother me. Pretty deceptive first step. I can imagine using him more as a spread it out 5 man on offense. Do wonder how well he can bang for rebounds down low. a first rd talent for sure.

Flip side is this draft has about 40 1st rd talents with only room for 30. I'll let this one marinate a bit before I figure out how high I like him.

Yeah I think Thor is similar to Kai. Both 6'10"/6'11", long, athletic, some highlight reel dunks, can put the ball on the floor and attack close outs. Long strides when driving. Can handle the ball in open court. Very versatile defenders who can block shots and contest jumpers on the perimeter. Both skinny, need to bulk up a little. Thor 6'10", 210 lbs, Kai 6'11", 218 lbs so kai is a little bigger but Thor has a 7'3" wingspan, compared to 7'1" wingspan for Kai, and Thor moves on the court smoother, more fluid. Kai kind of lumbers around out there sometimes. Defensively, I give a tiny edge to Thor but a solid edge to Kai for his shooting. I'd rate Kai slightly higher because of the shooting edge, he's a little bigger and also the part of Thor's scouting report video by Adam Spinella where he made all those terrible turnovers (especially the ones where he tries passing the ball inbounds) scare the hell out of me). Thor is a year younger than Kai, so maybe with some development he can work on his shot and improve ball security but until he does those things you have to rate Kai a little higher IMO. With that being said, Kai is being projected WAY higher than Thor. Kai seems to be projected in the 11-17 range. Thor, IDK, I'm not even seeing him go in the 1st round in a lot of mocks - so he's definitely underrated.

I think 16 might be a reach for Thor - I figure somewhere in the 18-24 range is about right for him..but if he stayed in school for another year he'd be a sure-fire lottery pick, maybe even top 10 pick in 2022..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#732 » by return2glory » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:08 am

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return2glory wrote:I'm hoping at least one of Jalen Johnson, Kai Jones and/or Ziaire Williams is still there at 16.


that is so close if not dead on my top 3 right now. As I have already declared Z Williams "Tatum Lite"

One year of heavy training, Tatum and/or Giannis style in the weight room and Bam! another star. How many draft picks have that true "star" potential.



Boston, I see a little more of that "it" factor, like I could seriously see him turning into a star in this league. Ziaire I can see it too, but not as much - and with Ziaire I feel like his success in the NBA is more dependent on being able to add strength/bulk up - Boston could certainly stand to hit the weight room as well but the lack of strength doesn't seem to be as much of a hindrance to him.

Overall, I'd rank Boston slightly higher. I think Boston could end up being better than both Nesmith and Langford - and Boston is taller/longer than both of them. Just not sure if it's a good idea for us to draft him or Ziaire, given that we already do have Langford and Nesmith on the team and just drafted them with our last 2 lottery picks.


I need to watch more film on Boston. But I feel the other way. When I watch Ziaire, I see that wow factor that I saw n Tatum, coming out of Duke. Watching film on Boston, I don't see that with him.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#733 » by return2glory » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:12 am

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Another guy I would consider taking at 16. Most mock drafts have Roko around late 1st round, early 2nd rounder but I feel he will move up.

I like he way he can create is own shot, love that we has a high release on his shot and can create separation. He is also explosive and has a good feel for the game at only 18. He also has good passing skills.


I like Roko, statistically passable, scouting reports I've seen point out no real red flags, one of the youngest players in the draft. Amongst Adriatic League players with more than 500 minutes played this season, he ranked fourth in rebounds per 36, which is key IMO.

I've seen him referred to as a "below the rim player," and playing in the Adriatic league limitations might not be exposed. That video helps sell me though. He looks fluid and capable.



He is an explosive leaper. He is not a below the rim player.
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Post#734 » by return2glory » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:15 am



Roko is explosive, as I said before. This is a good video showcasing that.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#735 » by batabatuta » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:56 am

I hope we can find a way to get another 1st rnd pick this draft or even an early 2nd rnd pick. I feel like there is a lot of talent on this draft class.
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Post#736 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:22 pm

LOL, I just saw a mock draft with Garuba at #28 and Roko at #47. So let's get both of them.

Do agents pay promotional fees to the draft websites to give their players higher rankings than they really deserve? Or is the deal that the scouts from that website aren't allowed to view or film workouts unless the player gets at least a certain draft position?

And do the people making draft decisions for teams actually know what they are doing? In the case of the Spurs and Warriors, the answer is yes. I'm not sure about the rest of the league.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#737 » by JediMasterRevan » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:37 pm

Seeing Jaden Springer lining up with our pick again in the mocks.

If moving Kemba is a great get. I think he can start from day 1
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#738 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:05 pm

batabatuta wrote:I hope we can find a way to get another 1st rnd pick this draft or even an early 2nd rnd pick. I feel like there is a lot of talent on this draft class.


It is a shame we had all those picks last year instead of this draft.
2 things need to go.. my lack of spell check and Joe.. :nod:
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#739 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:12 pm

Adam Spinella, the guy who makes all of the really in depth scouting report videos of the prospects on YouTube....this is his Big Board:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fme6CPT7F66EcV_n9YzS1-oB_IszYus9Wa2AcxdWw_0/edit?usp=sharing

Some interesting notes on his rankings:
-He's high on Garuba...and I believe he had Garuba that high even before Garuba's recent improvement from beyond 3 point line where he's shot 10/23 (43.5%) from 3 over his last 9 games
-Most sites have Roko listed at 6'9" but Spinella lists him at 6'8", curious if he would move Roko up at all if he thought he was 6'9"
-Wow, he has Springer really low. I'm gonna have to check out his video on Springer to see why..
-Queta is ranked 61, Bones Hyland is ranked 67, wow that seems crazy low for both of them..Bassey at 53 also seems very low
-Cazalon at 87 also seems insanely low, but he also doesn't have any notes on him so guessing he hasn't evaluated him much
-Jared Butler is really high at no. 10
-He's high on Ziaire and has him much higher than Boston
-He's also got Mitchell low at 22. For the most part it seems like PGs and Centers he has lower than where most have them. He seems to like 2's, 3's and 4's better

Based on his rankings (and he seems to know his sh&t more than anyone else I've seen post a big board or a mock draft), these are the guys we could possibly take at 16, ranked in order of how high they are on Spinella's big board..I also removed Keon Johnson and Moody since it seems like a certainty that both will be gone in the first 15 picks:

1 Usman Garuba
2 Alperen Sengun
3 Jared Butler
4 Jalen Johnson
5 Ziaire Williams
6 Roko Prkacin
7 Josh Giddey
8 Kai Jones
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#740 » by Gomes3PC » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:41 pm

Sucks that Moody has moved up boards because I really think he'd be perfect for what we need. Absolutely need to find a perimeter/wing guy who can break down a D and draw fouls to force defenses to start collapsing more. We've got wayyyy too many guys who can't do jack sheet when they have the ball in their hands except pass it on or take a contested jumper. Bouknight would be a solid consolation prize in that regard.

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